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Old 07-14-2009, 02:26 PM   #41
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Old 07-14-2009, 02:29 PM   #42
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I don't even know what he's doing now. Probably trying that knock-knock joke while he sells steak-knives door to door.
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Old 07-14-2009, 02:36 PM   #43
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left to play football, where he failed. had he stayed in the WWE, i'm sure he'd be close to rock/austin status by now.

yeah he did make it in UFC, but that was quite some time afterwards.
lol yeah I'm sure he'd rather be on the way to dying from heart failure than playing legit professional sports.
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Old 07-14-2009, 04:01 PM   #44
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This, but on a more superficial, on-screen level: The dude was both WWE Champion and ECW Champion. His WWE Title reign was probably not going to be an epic one, or anything, but I think it ended even sooner than planned, and the plug was also pulled on him being anything but a "popular player" in the WWE (a role he had been playing for years).

RVD finally made it to the stage where he could be considered a permanent main eventer, and he fucked it up by spitting in the trust the WWE gave him. This also led to RVD getting fed up and wanting out of the WWE (not the sole reason, mind you). It damaged RVD's relationship with the WWE, and made him look weaker on-screen.
Yeah, that was stupid of RVD. But on the plus side, it demonstrated how unprofessional he is.

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Yea, it's not always just about the fans.


Fan entitlement. "Who cares if he doesn't give a shit, and there could be criminal repercussions! I like pot and I like RVD!"

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lol yeah I'm sure he'd rather be on the way to dying from heart failure than playing legit professional sports.
Yeah, but the IWC tends towards sour grapes.
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Old 07-14-2009, 04:04 PM   #45
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Old 07-14-2009, 05:16 PM   #46
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Does Lex Luger count? he was pretty over, but probably would have been pushed to the moon at WM 10 by winning the WWF Title, but instead he blabbed about winning at a bar and Vince changed his mind...
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:15 PM   #47
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First one I thought of was Sid.
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:31 PM   #48
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Goldberg.

Yeah WWE need to accept part of the blame, but ultimately G'Berg didn't care about anything except the pay cheque.
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:33 PM   #49
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Goldberg.

Yeah WWE need to accept part of the blame, but ultimately G'Berg didn't care about anything except the pay cheque.
Probably yeh. Instead of a one year money-spinning contract, had he played the game a little he could've got a few money-spinning years. He probably couldn't have cared less, and wanted out as much as Brock.
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:46 PM   #50
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The thing about Goldberg versus Brock though is that Brock had something else to go to. He had a goal, a desire to try something else outside of wrestling. I can accept this.

Goldberg had squat. He'd made his money and was happy to just sit back to see what fell in his lap.

I'm no Goldberg fan by any means but this attitude shits me. I don't believe at the start of his WWE tenure it was like this but when he realised that he was NOT going to be an automatic main-eventer, would have to actually WORK at getting over (not just with the fans but with the locker room as well) and would have to improve his skills both in the ring and on the mic to stay at the top he just decided 'nah, not worth it, I'll just take my pay cheque each week until the contract expires.'

I could be TOTALLY unreasonable here and waaaaayyyyy off the mark, but this is the perception he has left me with.
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:50 PM   #51
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Kennedy also had the whole steroids suspension, which could be why people are bringing him up. He may not have been the one who fucked himself over most of the time, but certainly he fucked himself there. Not to mention he's likely injury prone because he was on steroids.
That did pass through my head, but I don't think this really hurt him too much. When he returned from his suspension, he was made to look like he could hang in the main event. He still had his feud with Shawn Michaels to come.
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:51 PM   #52
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Shit, that's right my bad. Still though, better to be stuck in TNA being mid card than what he's doing now.
I personally think it could be a really great storyline if Chris Harris returns to TNA with a tag team partner to feud with his former partner, James Storm and Beer Money, Inc.
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Old 07-14-2009, 09:00 PM   #53
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Old 07-14-2009, 09:01 PM   #54
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:04 PM   #55
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See, I knew situations like this would come up. I think guys like these merit discussion. Did Billy Gunn really fuck up his push? How? Whenver I saw the guy, I liked him, but I never thought he was pushed particularly hard (this is during his run as "The One"). I saw him make it to the Final Four in the 2001 Royal Rumble, and I wanted to see more from him.

What is the story behind him never amounting to anything after winning the 1999 King of the Ring?
I think Billy Gunn was a victim of his own abilities. I see it as a lesson in booking people beyond what people can accept. Yeah he was popular in DX and was a good upper midcard/Intercontinental champ but once they tried pushing him into the main event, having him win King of the Ring and beyond people just didn't buy it. I can't remember much about the Billy Gunn/Rock programme that followed except The Rock keep on taking the piss out of Billy Gunn. 'My name's Billy' in a kid's voice and then kept on saying that he 'sucked'. In fact didn't they fight at Summerslam. I'm going to have to look this up because I'd blanked a lot of this out.
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:13 AM   #59
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I think Billy Gunn was a victim of his own abilities. I see it as a lesson in booking people beyond what people can accept. Yeah he was popular in DX and was a good upper midcard/Intercontinental champ but once they tried pushing him into the main event, having him win King of the Ring and beyond people just didn't buy it. I can't remember much about the Billy Gunn/Rock programme that followed except The Rock keep on taking the piss out of Billy Gunn. 'My name's Billy' in a kid's voice and then kept on saying that he 'sucked'. In fact didn't they fight at Summerslam. I'm going to have to look this up because I'd blanked a lot of this out.
I vaguely remember it being called a kiss my ass match.
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:39 AM   #62
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HA! That's one of the promos off The Rock's DVD. Of course though there's plenty of other great ones they have...and while I don't think it completely ruined Big Show's career, I think Rock's "Big Slow" promo may have hurt Show's credibility with a lot of fans, at least for a while, but now, nearly 10 years later, I could honestly see Show taking the US title from Kofi at Night of Champions...


"WELL IT'S THE BIG SLOW!" (making weird sounds)
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You bring up a good point which may be topic worthy. Did the hilarity of the Rock sometimes bury workers like Billy Gunn and the Big Show? Or is up to those on the end of the Rock's taunts to give as good as they get to save their image?
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Old 07-15-2009, 01:44 PM   #64
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Yeah but I will leave it to someone else if they want to raise this issue as another thread. Especially seeing how it's not really all that pertinent to what we're talking about in this thread. Kinda half on-, half off-topic.
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Old 07-15-2009, 01:54 PM   #65
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I was of the opinion that Billy Gunn got "lazy" before he should have. He got too comfortable with where he was going and just kind of stopped trying, kind of like he was entitled to be a main eventer.
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:51 PM   #66
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The Million Dollar Man.

It's not that he did anything wrong, it's just he created a belt more awesome than the title that he didn't need it anyway, and by proxy the already jealous Jack Tunney (of DiBiase's millions) vetoed his ascent to #1 in the company. Tunney did pay the price eventually though. But that's another story.
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You bring up a good point which may be topic worthy. Did the hilarity of the Rock sometimes bury workers like Billy Gunn and the Big Show? Or is up to those on the end of the Rock's taunts to give as good as they get to save their image?
This is something I was just thinking. You get guys who can put over their opponents so well. Listening to Tommy Dreamer talk about Christian and Vladimir Kozlov on ECW the other week is a fine example. It helps them look like threats as talent within the radius of winning the title they are challenging for. A guy tearing his opponent to shreds does nothing to really help them in the fans' eyes.
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:19 PM   #68
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I would go with Kery Von Erich

I know he had a great career but with his size and ability plus the fact that fans absolutely loved him he could have been what John Cena is today but unfortunately he had a reputation as being irresponsible which cost him a longer nwa title reign plus i think him losing his foot in that motorcycle accident hurt him. To me he seemed like someone Vince Mcmahon would push to the moon if it weren't for those factors.
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Old 07-18-2009, 12:51 AM   #69
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I know RVD was pulled over and got possession charges, but I don't think he really fucked up his push. I think the WWE pussied out on what could've been a huge opportunity.

Marijuana is huge in this country. While he may have alienated some of his fans after the incident, he also probably gained a lot of them too. Not only that, but the publicity and controversy surrounding him could have brought in more casual fans.

I mean, you had a guy getting drunk in the ring every night (Austin) and he was World Champion several times. You have a guy who smokes weed and his push is immediately killed. It's just bullshit STIGMA surrounding marijuana.
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William Regal.

For most of his career he has played the part of the guy at the but end of many joke storylines. And then he becomes the General Manager of Raw, and seems to be running away with the role. And then he wins the King of the Ring, and seems poised for a major push to the big time.

And then he gets suspended, and is now wrestling on WWE's "C" level show.

Fucking up a push to a T.
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William Regal.

For most of his career he has played the part of the guy at the but end of many joke storylines. And then he becomes the General Manager of Raw, and seems to be running away with the role. And then he wins the King of the Ring, and seems poised for a major push to the big time.

And then he gets suspended, and is now wrestling on WWE's "C" level show.

Fucking up a push to a T.
I still think that Triple H was going to drop the WWE Championship to William Regal last year. Trips is a big Regal supporter, and the heat Regal was getting as the evil GM and King of the Ring was off the charts. Regal could have stolen the WWE Title, and the fans would have been rabid to see someone take it off him.

Hopefully the man has his shit together, so he can at least get an ECW Title reign, and earn back some of the company's trust.
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