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Old 09-21-2009, 03:40 PM   #41
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The creative team has been pushing to give CM Punk a bodyguard. Ezekiel Jackson had been rumored for the role, but the feeling is that working on ECW is the better place to develop him. Another option is Festus. The angle would be that Punk either got him off of his medication to make him normal, or that he is feeding him pills to control him.

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Old 09-21-2009, 04:38 PM   #42
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I dislike the whole bodyguard idea for Punk, but to be honest I don't think this idea was floated because Punk needed to be a credible threat to the Undertaker but to help the Undertaker look more imposing than he actually is. Unfortunatly Taker is old, slow and still hurting which is sad because of the incredible match that he and Shawn put on at WM. Taker's time is almost over I think a clean win over him will really cement Punk's status as a legit champion.
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Old 09-21-2009, 04:40 PM   #43
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I don't think Punk NEEDS a bodyguard either, but I don't think it would hurt.
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Old 09-21-2009, 04:49 PM   #44
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The only thing I don't like is that Festus seems to be under a form of hypnosis. Medication should really have no effect on his condition.
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Old 09-21-2009, 04:50 PM   #45
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Old 09-21-2009, 04:50 PM   #46
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I mean, I like the hypnosis/pavlovian thing. I don't like the idea of pills effecting it.
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"They" who? CM Punk has no trouble mentioning Jeff's drug problems, his two suspensions, the consequentially missed WrestleMania and other events AND Jeff's recent events, all brought up on SmackDown. So, why, exactly, would CM PUnk not accuse or insinuate that Batista's size came from excessive steroid use during his career as a bodybuilder?
I think Batista is more protected by the WWE than Jeff Hardy was. Also, Batista's never been 'publically' shat upon for steroid use. I could be wrong, but it just doesn't seem like something WWE (they) would do.
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What if Punk gets Festus OFF the pills, instead of keeping him on them the way Jesse did???
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The delicious irony of Punk controlling Festus with prescription medicine sounds great now I think of it
Or they can have Punk get Festus to go off his medication (first they'd have to mention Festus being on medication without it being forced).

All they have to do is show someone giving Festus his medication. Punk sees it, goes on a rant about vices and drugs and somehow in wrestling world Festus listens and with the help of Punk he weans off his medication. Each week he can show more emotion and become a little more "normal". Eventually at a PPV or something (after not being on tv for a week or two tops) he can do some sort of run it. Or at least in the main event of a Smackdown.

WWE would fuck this up, but to make it somewhat realistic he'd have to wean off his medication because you can't really quit real medication cold turkey.

It would be great for Punk's character right now. Festus should get a slightly new look too. Maybe grow some kind of facial hair and wear nice clothes when he's not wrestling.
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What if Punk gets Festus OFF the pills, instead of keeping him on them the way Jesse did???
Didn't see this before I made my post. Great idea we both had.
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Is Festus really that bald or does he shave it? If not, he could use a full head of hair too.
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I think Batista is more protected by the WWE than Jeff Hardy was. Also, Batista's never been 'publically' shat upon for steroid use. I could be wrong, but it just doesn't seem like something WWE (they) would do.
But...so what? I don't care if he really uses steroids. He's huge and muscly. That's all they need. Just because Punk accuses someone of something doesn't mean it's true.
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But...so what? I don't care if he really uses steroids. He's huge and muscly. That's all they need. Just because Punk accuses someone of something doesn't mean it's true.
Maybe there isn't as much heat on them for steroids since Benoit was a few years ago, but I still don't think that steroids is something they would willingly bring up. I don't think I'm crazy for assuming that.
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Maybe there isn't as much heat on them for steroids since Benoit was a few years ago, but I still don't think that steroids is something they would willingly bring up. I don't think I'm crazy for assuming that.
Oh, wow. So don't use the fucking "S-word". Jesus Christ. I'm suggesting it as an insinuation because it's something Punk can't prove, anyway. For fuck's sake. Plus, as I mentioned, you allude to him having used said "performance enhancers" during his body building career.

Does this compute yet?
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The creative team has been pushing to give CM Punk a bodyguard. Ezekiel Jackson had been rumored for the role, but the feeling is that working on ECW is the better place to develop him. Another option is Festus. The angle would be that Punk either got him off of his medication to make him normal, or that he is feeding him pills to control him.

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Is Chris Masters still in the WWE, or was he released again? (a la Eugene). If he's still there, then perhaps he could get the nod? I realize that he's on the RAW roster, atleast the last time I saw him, but it's not like the WWE are showing a strict adherence to the roster split anyways.

Mike Knox could be another guy.

One name that I thought of, was Matt Morgan! It's just too bad that he's on TNA. I'd love to see Morgan back in the WWE.
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:47 AM   #57
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Old 09-22-2009, 06:54 AM   #58
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He doesn't really need a bodyguard, tbh, but if they did go with one, a somewhat reasonable candidate, even though he's not great in the ring, would be Khali, at least I think...maybe Knox, failing that. But still, who's to say it would even last very long? I mean, we had Chavo with Bam Neely as his personal bodyguard for a bit while he was ECW Champion, and before you had a chance to glance sideways at the guy, he was gone.

Overall, pretty crappy idea.
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Surely they must have some other Generic Hosses in FCW.

Lance Hoyt?

What abotu Drew Macintyre?
Vance Archer would actually be really good in the role. He's got the look of a security guy. And he doesn't completely dwarf Punk. I know Punk is not a big guy for professional wrestler standards, but so far in his career, size hasn't been a big factor for him. Getting a guy who completely out-classes Punk in size is a bit ridiculous, I think.

Someone around the 280lbs mark would be good.

But it's funny you brought up Drew McIntyre. I like the idea of McIntyre's sort of kayfabe past of being trained by Dave Taylor being brought up. They could bring up Punk's training with The Blue Bloods (which Matt Striker has acknowledged on ECW), and sort of pass off Punk and McIntyre as guys with a "shared past." Nigel McGuinness would also fit this role.

The more I think about it, the more I'm curious (Note: Not in complete support of) a faction based around CM Punk. You could have Punk, McGuinness, McIntyre and one of the other suggested names. Whether that be Vance Archer, Festus or Ezekiel Jackson (who now has William Regal as a kayfabe mentor).
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Anyone who thinks a non-hoss can be a legit "bodyguard" in the WWE is retarded. They need to be treated as a legit threat. Size can add that dimension. if they are smaller than to be a threat means they are top notch fighters/wrestlers, at whioch point it makes you think "why isnt he just on his own and fighting punk for the title if he is so good"

The Raw Hoss allows the explanation that he can hurt the taker via size and strength, but is too raw to be a champion.
I disagree with this. I think that a smaller bodyguard with the expert wrestler/fighter tag could build intrigue to the eventual break-up between Punk and said "bodyguard." For example, if it was Kaval as Punk's hit-man, then when Punk loses the World Heavyweight Title, he can slap Kaval or something, which leads to Kaval kicking his head off. There is a feud between the two away from the title, that won't be mucked up by the big man/small man dynamic.

As for explaining the relationship? That is where things can get interesting, because it is something that is a bit out of the ordinary. A smaller guy could be doing it for money, out of some past debt to Punk, or because he actually believes in Punk's message. Take Paul Burchill for instance -- his character is not all that interested in championships. He just likes to hurt people. That sort of mentality could explain why someone could latch onto the World Heavyweight Champion without neccessarily wanting to kick their head off themselves.

I mean, why do Ezekiel Jackson and Vladimir Kozlov want to work for Regal? I guess they feel there is a lot they can learn from him. But given their size and power, they'd have to feel like they could potentially take down Regal at any given point if they wanted to. The whole concept of a "bodyguard" in wrestling is sort of contrary to the "everyone is out for themselves" rule.
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Yeah, third post -- sorry. But Festus is a good choice the more I think about it. Especially given that he's probably the guy most hurting for it. Mike Knox, Ezekiel Jackson, etc. all have current roles to play. You just have Festus traded back to SmackDown!, or just have his contract expire or something.

As Dorkchop said, you show Slam Master J asking Festus if he took his medication. Maybe even have Slam Master & Festus team up to a remixed version of Biscuits & Gravy to face The Hart Dynasty and trade a few wins with them. CM Punk makes a remark about how Festus should not be on the medication, and Slam Master says that he has known Festus for a long time, and he knows what is best for his friend.

Eventually Festus does drop the medication, and talks about how great he feels -- despite obviously being a psychopath. And yeah, a change of look would do him wonders. If he shaves his hair (because I think he is going bald), and does lose the country hick vibe.
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that just sounds like hanging an African American to me

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Yeah, third post -- sorry. But Festus is a good choice the more I think about it. Especially given that he's probably the guy most hurting for it. Mike Knox, Ezekiel Jackson, etc. all have current roles to play. You just have Festus traded back to SmackDown!, or just have his contract expire or something.

As Dorkchop said, you show Slam Master J asking Festus if he took his medication. Maybe even have Slam Master & Festus team up to a remixed version of Biscuits & Gravy to face The Hart Dynasty and trade a few wins with them. CM Punk makes a remark about how Festus should not be on the medication, and Slam Master says that he has known Festus for a long time, and he knows what is best for his friend.

Eventually Festus does drop the medication, and talks about how great he feels -- despite obviously being a psychopath. And yeah, a change of look would do him wonders. If he shaves his hair (because I think he is going bald), and does lose the country hick vibe.

I reiterate, medication should not effect a pavlovian response to and from a transient state.
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Kung FuNaki should be Punk's bodyguard.
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Old 09-22-2009, 05:54 PM   #72
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I reiterate, medication should not effect a pavlovian response to and from a transient state.
However, medication CAN cause a susceptibility to conditioning.
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Old 09-22-2009, 07:12 PM   #73
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I reiterate, medication should not effect a pavlovian response to and from a transient state.
However, professional wrestling scripts are fictional and aren't hindered by this. Wearing a red mask should not effect one's ability to shoot fire from their hands, nor should dressing in a black hat and duster effect one's ability to create purple light and smoke while driving a limo.
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:33 PM   #74
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However, professional wrestling scripts are fictional and aren't hindered by this. Wearing a red mask should not effect one's ability to shoot fire from their hands, nor should dressing in a black hat and duster effect one's ability to create purple light and smoke while driving a limo.
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I disagree with this. I think that a smaller bodyguard with the expert wrestler/fighter tag could build intrigue to the eventual break-up between Punk and said "bodyguard." For example, if it was Kaval as Punk's hit-man, then when Punk loses the World Heavyweight Title, he can slap Kaval or something, which leads to Kaval kicking his head off. There is a feud between the two away from the title, that won't be mucked up by the big man/small man dynamic.
What if instead of a massive man as his bodyguard, why not have punk lead a "straight edge" stable? Kinda like having a couple of generic muscle men and a heavier guy. He can kinda show that you dont have to be roided or drugged up to be a force. Then they can go against Batista....
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Something like that would be cool, Mack.
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:54 AM   #78
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Old 09-23-2009, 08:38 AM   #79
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I don't think Punk NEEDS a bodyguard either, but I don't think it would hurt.
I think that would be the point of giving him one. Did HBK NEED Nash or Sid? No, they just accentuated the heel persona.
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