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Shawn Michaels |
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44 | 56.41% |
The Rock |
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34 | 43.59% |
Voters: 78. You must log in or register to vote on this poll. |
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#41 |
Skibbidy Lock Jaw
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#42 |
ELF ANGEL
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I have 31 people to neg and 28 to rep, only so many reps per day though.
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#43 |
Fuck em' this is The War
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#44 |
One and only
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The Rock. He was much more over as a face and a heel during the hottest time in the history of pro wrestling.
Quite possibly the greatest heel of all time, in 1997 he had fans chanting for his death and by 1998 he had them chanting his name. His heel work in 2003 was out of this world. He was more popular (face and heel), sold more tickets, and IMO a better worker than the heart break kid. |
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#45 |
One and only
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Honestly the WWF was at its peak when he was on top, it was near its bottom when HBK was on top.
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#46 |
One and only
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Plus he has the greatest entrance themes ever.
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#47 |
Chris is AWESOME
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Come on TPDUB! I can't sit here and possible watch HBK lose again to The Rock! And yes I know The Rock was no slouch in the ring, and he handled a mic pretty damn good as well. One of the many greats I could say I witnessed his entire career. But HBK IS the greatest ever! (IMO of course)
HBK gets the check mark without even thinking twice. |
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#48 |
Miz = Balls.
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#49 |
Over Like Rover
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#50 | |
Soundly Defeated Wadding
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Also, comparing the two time periods is a little unfair. The business was at a low when Michaels was on top for many other reasons. And if you really want to get technical here, who helped usher in the ever-popular Attitude era? Shawn Michaels. |
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#51 |
b/c 5 is better than 4
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#52 |
Miz = Balls.
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The Austin being there argument doesn't work for me. Fact is Michaels was big fish in a small pond, and Rock was one of the two biggest fish in the ocean.
And, were Michaels as good as people think, the business would have been better. Rock became a crossover star that most of the world knew about. Michaels remains a hero to a small crowd. None of this really matters if you're just sticking to the wrestling part, but I'd say that any comparison of their star power is totally ridiculous. |
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#53 |
A Property of Matter
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How relevant is star power to a Better Wrestler competition? Are you factoring in the Scorpion King when you weigh it against HBK's Iron Man match?
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#54 |
Soundly Defeated Wadding
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Saying that he was a big fish in a small pond is a bit of an exaggeration. I suppose that claim could be made for a short time after WCW raped a bunch of talent away but even then you had The Undertaker, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, British Bulldog, Sid, Vader, Mankind, Ahmed Johnson, The Nation of Domination, etc. All of those guys were fairly big names at the time.
And even if you could somehow justify that argument, what about now? I guess he's in a small pond now as well? I mean he's one of the top performers in the company now as we speak in a talent pool consisting of Orton, Trips, UT, CM Punk, Bats, Rey, Edge, Christian, Jericho, Show, etc. I think you're embellishing your point a bit. He's one of the greatest wrestling performers ever in every era he's been apart of. Last edited by Nark Order; 10-31-2009 at 01:23 PM. |
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#55 |
the heartbreak king
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i've decided through this entire run of HBK's that i don't think i'd put anybody over HBK in Better Wrestler. there's just nobody i can think of that compares. yes, the rock was amazing at what he did, one of the best. but not the best.
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#56 |
GO HABS GO!
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#57 |
Gojira FTW
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HBK
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#58 | |
Miz = Balls.
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Either way, I think Rock's an all around better wrestler, better entertainer, and better WWF Superstar. |
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#59 |
Soundly Defeated Wadding
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Well, I'm not going to dispute your opinion of The Rock being an overall better wrestler than HBK. It's not like you're comparing HBK to Kung Fu Naki or anything. They are two of the all time greats.
In my opinion though, Michaels wins this. He was a staple of the WWF when he was on top back in the day and has been a staple ever since his return in 2000. I say he beats The Rock out in terms of in-ring performance and in terms of longevity. Of course it's all up to interpretation but that's my two cents. |
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#60 |
Skibbidy Lock Jaw
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Interesting. The last time we did this match I voted for The Rock... yet this time I voted for HBK! How ironic.
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#61 |
Soundly Defeated Wadding
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LOL. Hardly. HBK wound them all up into an absolute frenzy. Look at them, they are all spiteful, raging messes because of that promo. It was brilliant to face it all head on like that and HBK gave one hell of a promo. Once again, just a bitter Hart mark trying to downplay the greatness of HBK. That's all.
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#62 | |
GO HABS GO!
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If anything, it's the crowd forcing shawn to go in this direction. It's not like he played the crowd. The crowd was already reacting this way, chanting these things no matter what HBK did or didnt do. |
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#63 |
Soundly Defeated Wadding
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I'm not saying that the Canadian fans aren't naturally ridiculously bitter because they are. Shawn just got them worked up out of their minds. To say it wasn't a great promo would be pretty dense.
Not gonna turn this into a HBK vs Bret war. That already happened. |
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#64 |
Soundly Defeated Wadding
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Also, if the Rock doesn't win here I think Round 100 should involve 2 IWC powerhouse right off the bat. No dilly dallying around. Death match first round. BOOM.
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#65 |
EATER OF HOT POCKETS
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I agree. London vs Kendrick, straightaway.
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I'ma gonna win
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#68 |
b/c 5 is better than 4
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Being Canadian, I completely agree...... only I like HBK then and still do, but I loved booing the fuck out of Earl Hebner
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#69 |
Soundly Defeated Wadding
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Forgive me for not personally interviewing every Canadian fan that was at the event that night. Whether they were all bitter or all just pretending to be bitter (Which you have to understand is pretty confusing), my point remains the same. HBK gave a great promo and got ridiculous heat for it.
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#70 |
ELF ANGEL
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Your wrong Narc, I just dont care.
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#71 |
LUV CABBAGE/H8 JEWS
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#72 |
ELF ANGEL
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Lawl
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#73 |
Doin' It Right
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you're*
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#74 | |
I'ma gonna win
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#75 |
Soundly Defeated Wadding
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As much as I'd love to get into another generic cookie cutter Bret vs Shawn argument that's been repeated 1000 times, this thread has nothing to do with Bret Hart. It's Shawn Michaels vs The Rock.
Let's celebrate Michaels presumably entering his rightful place into the Better Wrestler Hall of Fame. |
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#77 |
VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT
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It's likely that Michaels is blocking a lot of people entering the Hall of Fame so maybe we'll get more people in as a result of him being in already.
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#78 |
VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT
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Well only Bret and Flair but still...
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