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Old 11-26-2009, 06:33 PM   #1
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Ovechkin
Crosby
Malkin

After those three it is really a toss up...
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Old 11-26-2009, 07:42 PM   #2
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Does everyone here "hate" Ovechkin or what, everywhere he goes he gets booed by other fans. I guess they think he is a dirty player? I get why Crosby gets booed because he is the whiniest vagina of a human being to ever play hockey, but it just seems like Ovie is 2 Hot 2 Handle so everyone hates him
I actually love Ovechkin.

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Your whole argument pretty much says why Crosby is superior. He plays with Kunitz and Guerin. Your "top NHL players" like Getzlaf plays with Ryan and Perry. Even I could score 50 goals playing with these guys. Datsyuk may play on a loaded team, but he's still their top men. It's the others who play less, not him.

Thornton is a great player, but as Heyman said, he chokes under pressure apparently, which is why I ranked Iginla above him. Iginla can carry a team on his shoulders as he proved in Calgary's cup run a couple of years ago.

Crosby and Malkin are pretty much interchangeable, I'll give you that. Both are great puch handlers, can carry the load even when playing with players who would be on the second line mostly anywhere else, and are sound defensively. Atop player needs to play both ways. I ranked Ovechkin above because he's just so overwhelming that he's hard to stop, but even then, I wouldn't call him a good defensive player. Randomly checking players does not qualify as defensive play.

So there you go. Crosby and Malkin play with worst players than Thornton, Datsyuk or Ovechkin and still turn in the numbers. That's why they're good. The whinniness only makes me respect him less, but I don't think he's a bad player for that.
I suppose you are correct, though I wouldnt say Crosby is better then Malkin (While Malkin sucks at faceoffs, he does hit better and hold onto the puck better, so Im giving him the edge)

As for Getzlaf and Thornton, they have always played with good linemates, so we cant tell if they would be good on a crappy line.

Given that logic, Kovalchuk should be higher and I agree with you Iginla analysis.

Thing I am trying to say is, the players I listed play the whole game and not mostly the scoring and assisting part.

I hate myself for making this comparison but Crosby is like Gretzky years ago, a finesse player who doesnt dig in the corners, take/give hard hits without whinning and isnt the first player on the backcheck they play the part of the game where they dont get hurt, whereas the rest I listed get banged up on a nightly basis.

Anyways, like I said Crosby got skill, I agree but not in every aspect of the game and if he didnt whine so much it would be easier to respect him.

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Ovechkin
Crosby
Malkin

After those three it is really a toss up...
Switch the 2nd and 3rd and I would be more able to agree with you.
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Old 11-27-2009, 01:34 PM   #3
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I hate myself for making this comparison but Crosby is like Gretzky years ago, a finesse player who doesnt dig in the corners, take/give hard hits without whinning and isnt the first player on the backcheck they play the part of the game where they dont get hurt, whereas the rest I listed get banged up on a nightly basis.
Wow.

You are joking right?!?!

Everything you just said here is completely false. Crosby digs very effectively in the corners, and DOES give/take pretty nice shots at people. He is a very tenacious and positionally sound player.

Crosby is also an excellent two way player, and I have no idea where this "isn't the 1st player in the backcheck' bullshit is coming from.

As far as Crosby/Malkin goes - you DO realize that a major reason why Malkin racks up points (aside from the fact that he's talented as hell), is the fact that the TOP defenders and shut down forwards are all over Crosby's ass right? (which is why often times, the Pens sometimes put Malkin and Crosby on the same line to counter this).

Crosby does whine a lot, but the guy IS constantly getting smacked HARD due to the fact that he's a sheer threat almost each and every time.

I love Ovechkin, and he IS a better player than Crosby, but lets not forget who outplayed who when the Caps/Pens played last year.
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Old 11-27-2009, 02:31 PM   #4
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Wow.

Crosby does whine a lot, but the guy IS constantly getting smacked HARD due to the fact that he's a sheer threat almost each and every time.

I love Ovechkin, and he IS a better player than Crosby, but lets not forget who outplayed who when the Caps/Pens played last year.
Ovechkin and Malkin and Getzlaf and Thornton and Kovalchuk all get the same treatment, do they whine?
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