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Old 07-21-2009, 01:00 PM   #81
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What kid!? The character!?

You guys are missing/dodging/underestimating/downright avoiding a major fucking element here.
HE DOESN'T KNOW IT'S A CHARACTER!!!! LOL

HIS INTENT IS TO HAVE SEX WITH A CHILD!!! WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW!!!

What if the decoy was actually a 17 year old? Would this just make everyone happy on all bases? lol
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:02 PM   #82
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Would you rather they subjected real 13 year olds to these chats, in order to catch these guys?
lol No. S-S-S-Strawman. ^^^^^^

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Or would you rather wait until their 8th or 9th victim decides to report them, before the police make a move?
Appeal to emotion. Try again.
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:03 PM   #83
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:05 PM   #84
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HE DOESN'T KNOW IT'S A CHARACTER!!!! LOL

HIS INTENT IS TO HAVE SEX WITH A CHILD!!! WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW!!!
Appeal to emotion Part 2: ALL CAPS.

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What if the decoy was actually a 17 year old? Would this just make everyone happy on all bases? lol
Then the guys running the show would be knee dip in legal shit themselves, making the show many times better. So yeah, we'd all be happy.
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:06 PM   #85
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:09 PM   #86
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The predators already in jail should really consider hiring Kalyx.

But... If his logic is so flawless... Surely none of them are in jail... Wait... What?
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:10 PM   #87
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Again, I'm less inclined to argue really if someone posing as an underage kid starts the conversation. Still fucked up but you can't go out and start trying to build up the situation like that.

However if the guy is actively PMing people he thinks are 13 in that manner, saying the shit these guys say, and then comes to the house, it shows that he has the intention of finding little kids to have sex with.
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:15 PM   #88
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The predators already in jail should really consider hiring Kalyx.

But... If his logic is so flawless... Surely none of them are in jail... Wait... What?
Because everybody in jail deserves to be. The system can't be wrong, right? It's not like we have a prison population problem for locking up everybody who's merely deviant. Oh wait...

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Again, I'm less inclined to argue really if someone posing as an underage kid starts the conversation. Still fucked up but you can't go out and start trying to build up the situation like that.

However if the guy is actively PMing people he thinks are 13 in that manner, saying the shit these guys say, and then comes to the house, it shows that he has the intention of finding little kids to have sex with.
...Okay. I'm with you on this...
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:15 PM   #89
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Appeal to emotion Part 2: ALL CAPS.

Then the guys running the show would be knee dip in legal shit themselves, making the show many times better. So yeah, we'd all be happy.
1) The all caps wasn't an appeal to emotion, it was me feeling the need to capitalize something I've had to say way too many times to try to get the point across.

2) Whether it would be illegal for the guys running the show to have a 17 year old play the decoy or not isn't the issue? Now who's dodging?

Forget there is even a show. Let's just say it's an elaborate plot by a 17 year old posing as a 13 year old. No one else is involved. Since he's simply playing a "character", if the guy shows up, does your "it's just a character" argument hold up?
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:18 PM   #90
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Because everybody in jail deserves to be. The system can't be wrong, right?
Let me guess. You have a cousin in jail?
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:20 PM   #91
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1) The all caps wasn't an appeal to emotion, it was me feeling the need to capitalize something I've had to say way too many times to try to get the point across.
I was referring to your content, the ALL CAPS thing was jest. You were still appealing to emotion, a logical fallacy. I wasn't pointing out you being emotional.

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2) Whether it would be illegal for the guys running the show to have a 17 year old play the decoy or not isn't the issue? Now who's dodging?
NoJabba.

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Forget there is even a show. Let's just say it's an elaborate plot by a 17 year old posing as a 13 year old. No one else is involved. Since he's simply playing a "character", if the guy shows up, does your "it's just a character" argument hold up?
The kid's underage and in danger so no, although the situation would be different - the guy would still be interacting with an underage child, actual age be damned. So yeah, he gets the flat mattress.

See how that works? Critical thinking, a just evaluation without some zero tolerance, interactionist bullshit? It's really not that hard.
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:21 PM   #92
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Let me guess. You have a cousin in jail?
No. Nor do I know any pedos or am one myself. I'm 'bout justice, homey.
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:22 PM   #93
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Your own zany idea of justice, perhaps.
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Your own zany idea of justice, perhaps.
Right.
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He victimized no one. He needs help, not lock up.
This is very true. But he did break a law.

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Again: I'm real. Not a character. You're telling me, a real dude, about killing me. So yeah, you show up at my place I'll want you sleeping on a flat mattress.
But you realize, as far as we know, you're just a screen name. That 18 year old claimed to be 13. You claim to be a black man of an age I can't recall. But we have no reason to doubt the validity of that until we get there.

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No. Nor do I know any pedos or am one myself. I'm 'bout justice, homey.
Justice is relative, Kalyx. The law is not.
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And we all know... You can't argue with THE LAW.
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The kid's underage and in danger so no, although the situation would be different - the guy would still be interacting with an underage child, actual age be damned. So yeah, he gets the flat mattress.

See how that works? Critical thinking, a just evaluation without some zero tolerance, interactionist bullshit? It's really not that hard.
Different situation? You WERE the one who implied that the decoy being 18 had some effect on whether it was right or not though by saying he was talking to an "18 year old actor. Why bring up how old the actor is if it's not relevant?

And wouldn't a "just evaluation" of the situation say that the guy is an obvious threat to molest a child seeing as how he is being caught attempting to do so?
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This is very true. But he did break a law.

But you realize, as far as we know, you're just a screen name. That 18 year old claimed to be 13. You claim to be a black man of an age I can't recall. But we have no reason to doubt the validity of that until we get there.

Justice is relative, Kalyx. The law is not.
You win.
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Different situation? You WERE the one who implied that the decoy being 18 had some effect on whether it was right or not though by saying he was talking to an "18 year old actor. Why bring up how old the actor is if it's not relevant?

And wouldn't a "just evaluation" of the situation say that the guy is an obvious threat to molest a child seeing as how he is being caught attempting to do so?
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Well then we have hit a road block, sir.
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And for the record, I emphasized the actress' age because you guys were hung up on this 'underage character' that was in danger. Please know that the bulk of my argument is based on the fact that nobody was in any real danger, and the premise was an elaborate entrapment to begin with.
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I was never hung up on the character being in danger... I don't think anyone was.

It's the fact that he didn't know it was a character which proves, if he found the profile, sent the PM, said all the details, drove to the house, that he is actively looking for a 13 year old to have sex with.
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Proving, beyond a doubt, willingness and intent to commit the crime. The only staged part was the opportunity.
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Am fucking disgusted by this show. While I obviously do not sympathize with child predators, what gives a show the right to completely humiliate somebody in front of every single person they know? Let the god damn law deal with them, seems like cruel and unusual punishment to me.
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Actually they shouldn't have went to the house, that was their choice. Anything that happens is on them. You are criticizing the best angle of the show!
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Old 07-26-2009, 09:55 PM   #110
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I already posted one thing on this, based off of Perverted Justice's own acts.

The main piece of evidence (the chat) can be altered. For all we know, the 18 year old actor could have been presenting themselves AS an 18 year old, and it was changed after the fact. They do a copy and paste job on their own websites, and it's not like that can be hacked at all.

I'm not saying these people are good people are even decent people. In the cases where they in fact did initiate the chat, good for them.

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Perverted Justice keeps track of the number of "busts" (exposures of alleged child molestors) that have been made using these methods – over 700 so far – but they don't place a lot of emphasis on the fact that only a small percentage of these "busts" – perhaps 1 in 6 or less – have resulted in actual criminal convictions. They've also been accused of using real underage kids in their efforts to attract online "pedophiles." These tactics have won them a lot of critics – and the arguments against this site do have weight. Folks who don't like Perverted Justice claim that it has helped to ruin the lives of many people who would have otherwise not been the cause of any trouble at all
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1 in 6 or less... Yeah, good thing we're getting that 1, even though we may be needlessly ruining the lives of the other 5.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:38 PM   #111
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What is it... "collateral damage?"
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:39 PM   #112
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This is the only predator I have ever felt bad for. I suppose it's because he has a baby face, and he's pretty much just a kid himself.





I honestly don't see him as a computer predator, but just a dumb teenage kid who didn't think clearly, and mentally, probably saw himself as a 13-year old, not aware that he was an adult. Society kinda babies kids now, so many of them don't really mature until they're like 30, and mentally, they still think and act like teenagers, and even see themselves as one through out their twenties. I know not everyone is like this, but plenty are. I think that was the case with Richer. And given that he actually was a teenager, it's not too shocking that he made this error.
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Yeah you would bump this thread Zeeboe
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Guilty as charged! I still love watching these clips on youtube. Been addicted since last summer.
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:43 PM   #115
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You fellas ever see "Hard Candy"? I saw it for the first time last summer after my banning, and oddly enough, some of the chats between the two main characters reminded me of the battles I've had on here. Here's the preview. (Although you won't see what chats that reminded me of the fights on here that I'm talking about in the preview.)
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Technically, he's not a pedophile. None of the men on "To Catch a Predator" are. Pedophiles target little children. The men on "To Catch a Predator" are going after young teens, and are consider "Computer Predators".

Richer is the only one I've ever felt bad for, and not made fun of. It's because he's only 19, and I see him as a kid too. It's disturbing seeing a young kid's whole life being ruined all for being stupid, which is something a lot of kids that age are guilty of. There are plenty of hot 18 and 19-year old college girls he could have tried to date. He's a good looking kid, and it's a shame he was wasting his looks and time trying to woe who he thought was a 13-year old. That's why he gets my pity.

The older guys however do not. They should have known better.
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