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Old 04-05-2010, 11:03 PM   #281
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What exactly is he World Champion of if people beat him? They aren't on the same show, so it's not likely Orton is getting the next title shot (not considering the draft here). It serves no purpose for Orton to win clean.

Swagger is not being built up to "reach the next level" and trying to "earn respect," he's the fucking World Champion.
Ya but hes a kid like Sheamus, both title wins were met with shock cos they were shocking, they aren't even over properly yet, i think its a nice change from HHH/Cena/Orton/Batista. Why would Swagger go over Orton when he was on a losing streak 2 months ago. He beat a champion who had just been attacked
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What exactly is he World Champion of if people beat him? They aren't on the same show, so it's not likely Orton is getting the next title shot (not considering the draft here). It serves no purpose for Orton to win clean.

Swagger is not being built up to "reach the next level" and trying to "earn respect," he's the fucking World Champion.
Ok, so if somebody won the title the way he did, do you think he would be "on that level" like a six time world champ like RKO or a multiple time champ like Cena? No, that just doesn't make any sense. He looked REALLY good in the match, and his character will build. One thing i do like (which i don't want him to act like EVERYTIME he comes out) is the "no-nonsense" look he had. Shows that "hey, i am the champ, i need to get serious".

Just wait and see what happens.
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Ya but hes a kid like Sheamus, both title wins were met with shock cos they were shocking, they aren't even over properly yet, i think its a nice change from HHH/Cena/Orton/Batista. Why would Swagger go over Orton when he was on a losing streak 2 months ago. He beat a champion who had just been attacked
Well, I'm sure that if WWE was going with a storyline like this they would've mentioned it. As far as we're supposed to know, Swagger is WWE Champion. End of story. They should book him as such.
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Well, I'm sure that if WWE was going with a storyline like this they would've mentioned it. As far as we're supposed to know, Swagger is WWE Champion. End of story. They should book him as such.
Yeah your right they should tell us, Otunga should have opened the show and said 'here comes jack swagger, now hes not to be taken serious guys, its just for a few weeks'
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Ok, so if somebody won the title the way he did, do you think he would be "on that level" like a six time world champ like RKO or a multiple time champ like Cena? No, that just doesn't make any sense. He looked REALLY good in the match, and his character will build. One thing i do like (which i don't want him to act like EVERYTIME he comes out) is the "no-nonsense" look he had. Shows that "hey, i am the champ, i need to get serious".

Just wait and see what happens.
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Lol i love how Swagger wins the championship via "cash-in" when an opponent is down and out, and Swagger is supposed to be unbeatable. Even rookie QBs who are drafted into the NFL aren't the top five QBs in the league until a couple of years. C'mon people, lets not get TOO technical about everything with wrestling. I think that is one reason why fans aren't as "hot" as they used to be because they: 1) Think they know everything and how everyone should be handled 2) won't chill and relax and drink beer and enjoy the damn show. God i miss ECW.
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Ok, so if somebody won the title the way he did, do you think he would be "on that level" like a six time world champ like RKO or a multiple time champ like Cena? No, that just doesn't make any sense. He looked REALLY good in the match, and his character will build. One thing i do like (which i don't want him to act like EVERYTIME he comes out) is the "no-nonsense" look he had. Shows that "hey, i am the champ, i need to get serious".

Just wait and see what happens.
It still doesn't make sense to have the champion lose. He is supposed to be the best of the best. How can that be if he is losing one-on-one matches cleanly (no matter who it is)?

The World Championship is supposed to be above everything else, which means the guy who holds it should be treated as the top guy.
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Yeah your right they should tell us, Otunga should have opened the show and said 'here comes jack swagger, now hes not to be taken serious guys, its just for a few weeks'
I meant that they would've mentioned the "rags to riches" transformation.
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Lol i love how Swagger wins the championship via "cash-in" when an opponent is down and out, and Swagger is supposed to be unbeatable.
Nobody said that.
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It still doesn't make sense to have the champion lose. He is supposed to be the best of the best. How can that be if he is losing one-on-one matches cleanly (no matter who it is)?

The World Championship is supposed to be above everything else, which means the guy who holds it should be treated as the top guy.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, idiot. LOOK AT HOW HE WON THE TITLE!! WHY OH WHY WOULD HE ALL OF A SUDDEN BE ABLE TO BEAT EVERYONE, WE KNOW SWAGGER IS OUT OF HIS DEPTH ATM
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, idiot. LOOK AT HOW HE WON THE TITLE!! WHY OH WHY WOULD HE ALL OF A SUDDEN BE ABLE TO BEAT EVERYONE, WE KNOW SWAGGER IS OUT OF HIS DEPTH ATM
Where did I say he should be able to beat everyone? I'll say it again, since you don't seem to get it:

The World Champion should not be losing one-on-one, non-title matches.

Whomever holds the World Championship is supposed to be the top guy [kayfabe here, kiddies]. Don't see the leap of logic here.
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It still doesn't make sense to have the champion lose. He is supposed to be the best of the best. How can that be if he is losing one-on-one matches cleanly (no matter who it is)?

The World Championship is supposed to be above everything else, which means the guy who holds it should be treated as the top guy.
screech, if you are going to get technical about it, then i guess Kane shouldn't have lost the title back to SCSA back in '98. Though i would've liked to see that, its called "building up" and "momentum". Yes, he is champ and he should not lose THAT MUCH. But your first week, winning by a cash-in of MITB, and you go against a guy who is not only hot, full of momentum, but is a six time world champ, has wrestled the likes of ALL the top stars in the WWE, and Swagger is just supposed to "beat" him b/c he is champ. I understand he needs a clean win, do not disagree there. But its his first week as champ, he didn't win the title match by a "clean" victory, and he doesn't have the resume like RKO. If, that is, you are going to get technical.

Swagger needs a good PPV win, a SD! win and maybe a tag match loss, then ok. But he did not "work his way up the ladder and win at a PPV", he cashed in MITB in a "10 sec title match". What kind of "skill" does that possess?
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, idiot. LOOK AT HOW HE WON THE TITLE!! WHY OH WHY WOULD HE ALL OF A SUDDEN BE ABLE TO BEAT EVERYONE, WE KNOW SWAGGER IS OUT OF HIS DEPTH ATM
So, are we to ignore all the other guys that won the title via MITB briefcase and became instant main eventers? Please respond in all caps, it makes this all the more entertaining.
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Nobody said that.
Ok, he should not be "losing non-title matches" aka non-title match unbeatable.
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screech, if you are going to get technical about it, then i guess Kane shouldn't have lost the title back to SCSA back in '98. Though i would've liked to see that, its called "building up" and "momentum". Yes, he is champ and he should not lose THAT MUCH. But your first week, winning by a cash-in of MITB, and you go against a guy who is not only hot, full of momentum, but is a six time world champ, has wrestled the likes of ALL the top stars in the WWE, and Swagger is just supposed to "beat" him b/c he is champ. I understand he needs a clean win, do not disagree there. But its his first week as champ, he didn't win the title match by a "clean" victory, and he doesn't have the resume like RKO. If, that is, you are going to get technical.

Swagger needs a good PPV win, a SD! win and maybe a tag match loss, then ok. But he did not "work his way up the ladder and win at a PPV", he cashed in MITB in a "10 sec title match". What kind of "skill" does that possess?
Screech has said that he's referring to one on one NON-TITLE matches like 9 times now, thus making your example irrelevant. This is a basic wrestling concept here. You book your champion as your top guy until there is a guy to challenge him on a money card. You don't job him out in non-title matches that don't necessarily mean anything.
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Where did I say he should be able to beat everyone? I'll say it again, since you don't seem to get it:

The World Champion should not be losing one-on-one, non-title matches.

Whomever holds the World Championship is supposed to be the top guy [kayfabe here, kiddies]. Don't see the leap of logic here.
How many times were we told how swagger won the title? why did he go around smackdown last week showing everyone his new belt? Did you hear what Cena told him? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW HE'S BEING BOOKED??
The world champion is not always the main event or top draw so why should the champion be the main h=guy. before HBK left he was above the title. HHH is too to an extent, he never needs it again.
Swagger lost to Evan Bourne not so long ago, just cos he's champion now he still won it by FLUKE
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So, are we to ignore all the other guys that won the title via MITB briefcase and became instant main eventers? Please respond in all caps, it makes this all the more entertaining.
YES

1) Edge won and lost 3 weeks later
2) Punk won and traded the belt with Jeff all summer

MITB winners arent pushed hard and made to look dominant
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So, are we to ignore all the other guys that won the title via MITB briefcase and became instant main eventers? Please respond in all caps, it makes this all the more entertaining.
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How many times were we told how swagger won the title? why did he go around smackdown last week showing everyone his new belt? Did you hear what Cena told him? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW HE'S BEING BOOKED??
The world champion is not always the main event or top draw so why should the champion be the main guy. before HBK left he was above the title. HHH is too to an extent, he never needs it again.
Swagger lost to Evan Bourne not so long ago, just cos he's champion now he still won it by FLUKE
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:23 PM   #311
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YES

1) Edge won and lost 3 weeks later
2) Punk won and traded the belt with Jeff all summer

MITB winners arent pushed hard and made to look dominant
You forgot RVD who jobbed to marajuana posetion.
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You forgot RVD who jobbed to marajuana posetion.
theres another example, im guessing he would dropped either the ECW/WWE title soon after anyway
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Screech has said that he's referring to one on one NON-TITLE matches like 9 times now, thus making your example irrelevant. This is a basic wrestling concept here. You book your champion as your top guy until there is a guy to challenge him on a money card. You don't job him out in non-title matches that don't necessarily mean anything.
See, this is exactly why wrestling is "dead". Because everyone thinks they know "wrestling" and should be bookers, writers, etc. I'm not saying that the writers are brilliant, but c'mon. You guys need to chill out about little shit like this. And it doesn't matter if it is title or non-title matches, no one is understanding the concept that IM trying to illustrate. The way he won his title is what i am talking about. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have some type of credibilty, i understand where screech is coming from from a "credibility" standpoint. But like i said, the guy won the shit from a guy with "taped up ribs", just got his ass speared, and was barely "conscious" for the "match" they had. If everything was so predictable like you guys make it, it would be boring. (Cena is another story).

A guy who wins the Heisman Trophy in football for like 2 years out of his college career is not going to go into the NFL and dominate or "not lose non-title matches". He is stepping into a WHOLE different level of players/athletes. I mean, its evolution and simple logic. Narc wants to talk about logic, well the Big Show should be winning every god damn match he is put in lol. But he is not, the business is portrayed as "you can lose any night, any time, any show. Be on your A-game and get ready". Swagger is going to do fine as champ, IMO. The guy will "learn" from his mistakes and will not "lose non title matches" as much because he realizes what level he is on now. That is modern day logic about ANYTHING pertaining to a type of "sport" or "Sports Entertainment" for this matter.
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:26 PM   #314
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screech, if you are going to get technical about it, then i guess Kane shouldn't have lost the title back to SCSA back in '98.
Kane lost the belt the day after he won it (don't like it, but it happened so whatever). That has nothing to do with this. We are talking about a champion not losing non-title matches, not the champion losing his title.

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Though i would've liked to see that, its called "building up" and "momentum". Yes, he is champ and he should not lose THAT MUCH. But your first week, winning by a cash-in of MITB, and you go against a guy who is not only hot, full of momentum, but is a six time world champ, has wrestled the likes of ALL the top stars in the WWE, and Swagger is just supposed to "beat" him b/c he is champ. I understand he needs a clean win, do not disagree there. But its his first week as champ, he didn't win the title match by a "clean" victory, and he doesn't have the resume like RKO. If, that is, you are going to get technical.
That is the nature of Money in the Bank. The whole idea is/has become to take advantage of a situation and become "The Man." The opponent should not matter, whether it's a six time champion or a new guy. The champion is supposed to be seen as THE guy. Again, if he loses, there is no reason for him to have the belt.

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Swagger needs a good PPV win, a SD! win and maybe a tag match loss, then ok. But he did not "work his way up the ladder and win at a PPV", he cashed in MITB in a "10 sec title match". What kind of "skill" does that possess?

Again, that is the nature of the case. He earned it, and picked his spot to win the title. That means [once again, kayfabe] he is above everyone else. He should be treated as such to build the title's credibility and his own as the champion.
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All of that is completely irrelevant, he is the World Heavyweight Champion. You book him like the World Heavyweight Champion. End of story. Jesus. Sheamus didn't beat a guy with taped up ribs in an opportunistic fashion and he was treated the same way.
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See, this is exactly why wrestling is "dead". Because everyone thinks they know "wrestling" and should be bookers, writers, etc. I'm not saying that the writers are brilliant, but c'mon. You guys need to chill out about little shit like this. And it doesn't matter if it is title or non-title matches, no one is understanding the concept that IM trying to illustrate. The way he won his title is what i am talking about. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have some type of credibilty, i understand where screech is coming from from a "credibility" standpoint. But like i said, the guy won the shit from a guy with "taped up ribs", just got his ass speared, and was barely "conscious" for the "match" they had. If everything was so predictable like you guys make it, it would be boring. (Cena is another story).
Dont forget that Narc and Screech and others are the people who complain about the title always on the same few guys. WWE should just drop the idea of a 'Champion'
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All of that is completely irrelevant, he is the World Heavyweight Champion. You book him like the World Heavyweight Champion. End of story. Jesus.
You are obviously thick as shite so man, tell Vince you know better
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How many times were we told how swagger won the title? why did he go around smackdown last week showing everyone his new belt? Did you hear what Cena told him? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW HE'S BEING BOOKED??
The world champion is not always the main event or top draw so why should the champion be the main h=guy. before HBK left he was above the title. HHH is too to an extent, he never needs it again.
Swagger lost to Evan Bourne not so long ago, just cos he's champion now he still won it by FLUKE
How he won the title is irrelevant here. I don't know how many ways it can be said: The World Champion should be treated as the top guy, no matter who he is. If that is not the case, then there is no reason to have a World Champion, as he would be just like everyone else.
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Kane lost the belt the day after he won it (don't like it, but it happened so whatever). That has nothing to do with this. We are talking about a champion not losing non-title matches, not the champion losing his title.
How do we make a contender for the title if the champion cant lose non title matches?
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All of that is completely irrelevant, he is the World Heavyweight Champion. You book him like the World Heavyweight Champion. End of story. Jesus. Sheamus didn't beat a guy with taped up ribs in an opportunistic fashion and he was treated the same way.
At least someone gets it.
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