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Old 06-21-2010, 12:31 PM   #1
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Match of the WC thus far.
Craziest match maybe, but definitely not match of the WC.
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Old 06-21-2010, 10:41 PM   #2
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Why doesn't Paul Scholes get any stick for not playing for England? Wayne Rooney clearly isn't the same player for England as he is for Manchester United, and Scholes is clearly still a world-class midfielder for United. Isn't there a possibility that playing Scholes instead of Frank Lampard might help Rooney be the beast for England that he is for United?
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Old 06-21-2010, 10:46 PM   #3
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He retired in 2004. According to Wikipedia he didn't have that long of a career with England at just 7 years (1997-2004). He also had the tendency to pick up too many cards during competitions similar to Rooney.

England's problem is they want to make Rooney their main striker but their play style or formation doesn't allow that to be possible constantly with the type of players they have on the field.
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Old 06-21-2010, 11:21 PM   #4
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I know he retired, and that's my point. He is obviously still as capable as ever to play for England, and would seemingly be the best fit to play with Rooney.
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Old 06-22-2010, 05:04 AM   #5
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I have more respect for Scholes turning down the offer than Carragher for accepting it.
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Old 06-22-2010, 09:34 AM   #6
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Scholes retired after Euro 2004 when we had this "OH MY GOD, THERE ARE NO LEFT FOOTED ENGLISH PLAYERS" crisis (like we still have now) coupled with the "LAMPARD AND GERRARD ARE THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD AND MUST NEVER BE DROPPED" (like we still have now) which resulted in Scholes (right footed and a better central midfielder than Gerrard or Lampard) being played on the left wing for Euro 2004. From what I remember he was shit and got fed up and retired.
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Old 06-22-2010, 10:34 AM   #9
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Old 06-22-2010, 10:58 AM   #11
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So what Rob Ban Fan is saying is basically that Scholes could in fact be the missing link for England but that he has chosen not to play because of a bad experience with a manager who has been twice replaced now? I can understand that playing internationally is a huge time commitment, but it's a little surprising that he doesn't get any flack for not playing.

I would think that England would try to build itself as much like Manchester United as possible, rather than whatever they have going on now.
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So what Rob Ban Fan is saying is basically that Scholes could in fact be the missing link for England but that he has chosen not to play because of a bad experience with a manager who has been twice replaced now? I can understand that playing internationally is a huge time commitment, but it's a little surprising that he doesn't get any flack for not playing.

I would think that England would try to build itself as much like Manchester United as possible, rather than whatever they have going on now.
I don't think that at the time or since he has blamed the reason I gave for retiring but I am fairly sure that was the reason. I think his official reason was that he wanted to spend more time with his family and concentrate on Manchester United. He has been asked back by McClaren and Capello but he wont come back, not to mention he's nearly 36 now.
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I don't think that at the time or since he has blamed the reason I gave for retiring but I am fairly sure that was the reason. I think his official reason was that he wanted to spend more time with his family and concentrate on Manchester United. He has been asked back by McClaren and Capello but he wont come back, not to mention he's nearly 36 now.
Exactly, he's basically a part-timer now.
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When he was two years old, he and his family were involved in a car accident in his hometown, colliding with a truck.[4] Ribéry suffered serious facial injuries that resulted in over one hundred stitches and left two long scars down the right side of his face.

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Greeks are a fucking disgrace here..out as it stand with 20 minutes to go and still not even trying to attack Argentina.
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Works for them, it's how they won Euro 2004. It's no fun to watch but I don't know why the commentators are moaning, it's nothing new.
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Works for them, it's how they won Euro 2004. It's no fun to watch but I don't know why the commentators are moaning, it's nothing new.
Yes the objective in those games was to avoid defeat, tonight with 20 minutes to go a goal would have put them into the next round and they still just resolutely defended like pricks before Argentina broke them down.
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Yes the objective in those games was to avoid defeat, tonight with 20 minutes to go a goal would have put them into the next round and they still just resolutely defended like pricks before Argentina broke them down.
Their objective in every game seems to be avoid defeat, no matter what the situation is. Seems to be all Rehagel is willing to attempt with them. They didn't really attack at Euro 2004, just seemed to rely mainly on set pieces.
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It worked in Euro 04 because none of the bigger teams thought of using that formation as a way to win since its more of a traditional formation done in league cups by smaller teams to hope for an upset or in some league a "replay".

Greece's problem was by the time of 2006 qualifiers, most of the tougher teams figured out how to break down their defensive formation while Greece never bothered to switch and caused their matches to be "boring".
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It worked at Euro 2004 because they got lucky in the knockout stages They should have lost to France, the Czechs and Portugal.
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It worked at Euro 2004 because they got lucky in the knockout stages They should have lost to France, the Czechs and Portugal.
Come on, winning 3 knock out games isn't luck. They had a game plan and executed it perfectly. Unfortunately for them, it just isn't sustainable and haven't bothered to try much else.
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Is this guy good enough to look this silly?
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Is this guy good enough to look this silly?
Occasionally.
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They've been playing the same way for like 9 years and that's the only thing resembling success that they've had (albeit a big success) Of course they executed their plan well. But in order for them to win games (and especially a tournament) with that plan, they need luck. The amount of wasted chances from other teams that year was shocking. They obviously didn't win strictly by luck, you have to give them credit for being so disciplined, but without it, they wouldn't have gone past the quarter finals.
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Beating red hot Portugal twice at their own tournament shows they were for real that year in my book.
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Beating red hot Portugal twice at their own tournament shows they were for real that year in my book.
Red hot? They were shit in the opening game of the tournament (against Greece), had things go their way against England (Rooney injury, disallowed goal, pens) and didn't play too well in the final (but still should have scored)
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Red hot? They were shit in the opening game of the tournament (against Greece), had things go their way against England (Rooney injury, disallowed goal, pens) and didn't play too well in the final (but still should have scored)
Well yes. They were the host nation, one of the favourites to win it going in, and got to the final. Don't see your argument.
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Since Domenech is now out of a job coaching France, I guess he can go back being a career villain.



Didn't even realize how similar him and Carver (Tomorrow Never Dies) look until watching the film yesterday.
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Since Domenech is now out of a job coaching France, I guess he can go back being a career villain.



Didn't even realize how similar him and Carver (Tomorrow Never Dies) look until watching the film yesterday.
I honestly can't believe he was still the manager, he should have gone after the Euros (and nearly did). The french FA deserved everything that happened to them at the World Cup after leaving him in charge (wasn't specifically his fault but he's proven that he wasn't really capable of running that team)
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'Red hot' implies they were playing something akin to Holland in 1974 (or even the Czechs in that tournament) Which they were not. They were decent. No better than the other 5-6 favourites for the tournament.

Besides, this was 6 years ago.
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Hot enough to make it all the way to the final ahead of all the other 'favourites', where they lost to Greece, for the second time. And that's luck?

Hey you brought it up
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I didn't say Portugal didn't play well, my problem was with 'red hot'. Which I figured you'd have worked out from my first sentence. And yes, for Greece, it was a lot of luck. An anomoly. Only thing that's come close was Denmark in 1992 and then there were only 8 teams, they had a couple of legit quality players, a decent supporting cast and Peter Schmeichel. If they replayed Euro 2004, I believe 99 times out of 100 Greece don't win it.

And I bought it up to point out the correlation between how they play now and how they played when they had their only real success (aka the same). Not go back and forth about the specifics of the tournament.
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