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Old 06-27-2010, 05:09 AM   #41
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Frankly, Fedor is worse for MMA than White is. M-1 Global is in the habit of shutting companies down through their co-promotion (taking half the profit and paying none of the production costs or fight purses). White low balls guys.

Can you not see that if there were more competition, the UFC wouldn't have as much ability to low ball fight purses as they have right now? That's Fedor's doing. Remember when Arlovski went to Affliction because the money was better? That's called competition. Remember when Fedor's co-promotion ran costs up too high and they folded? That's called bullshit.
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Old 06-27-2010, 01:20 PM   #42
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Fedor's doing is the reason why the UFC has no competetion? My guess if they were retarded enough to make those deals with M-1 and Fedor than they probably werent going to be around long in the first place. Boxing co-promotes, and they do pretty well when they hold events. Chances are Affliction was gonna fail, Trump was a partner for fuck sakes.

How is it bad for MMA if Fedor and his management to try and get as much money as possible? How is White not bad with his anti-competetive tactics? The lack of real competetion makes it OK to lowball his fighters? And it's more Fedors fault, than the UFC?

Fedor is indepentant contracter, the impact he has on the business of MMA is microscopic in comparison to White and UFC. Come on now.
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:06 PM   #43
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Dana's an asshole. He's treading dangerously close to Anti Trust Grounds.

WIth that being said, I understand his move. You're in business to make money, not friends.

The fighters do get paid shit...THAT IS WHY THEY SHOULD UNIONIZE!
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:07 PM   #44
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But it's ok, Fedor pissed him off.
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What is your fixation with this? Nobody is saying that it's ok. Dana is going to get away with it because of his position of power. Not saying that Fedor shouldn't have been a bastard during negotiations (because he wanted the most bang for his buck) but, unfortunately, now he has to pay for it.
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:29 PM   #46
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What is your fixation with re-stating Dana's position? Fedor did what he should have as a fighter looking out for his best interest, Dana didn't get what he wants, so he can do things that border on illegal? You're not really adding much here other than saying Dana can do what he wants, and no one will stop him. We understand that, as you keep pointing it out.

These sort of things kills competetion and helps UFC keep it's stranglehold over the market, which is what allows Dana to pay guys like a Carwin 40K to main event at 116.

How do you not see this as a bad thing? What if this isn't where Dana stops?
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But you keep making snide comments to insinuate we all think that it's alright, which probably isn't the case (I probably think it's alright though).

Personally, I don't think Dana overstepped his boundaries in his business decision to blackball Fedor. While this could be a petty feud, think about the benefits of this decision. Dana doesn't want people to think of Fedor when they hear the TapOut name, he wants people to think of names from the UFC. If Dana is willing to pay Tapout enough money for them to agree to such terms, I don't really see anything wrong with it. It may get Fedor fans up in arms, but business is business.
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Umm, Dana wasn't willing to pay Tap Out anything to be UFC exclusive, he said he would ban them as a sponsor and ban his fighters from wearing it.

I'm not insinuating anything. You dont think Dana went to far. You said you probably think it's alright, how was I insinuating? If you and everyone else don't think it alright, why are you making it about Fedor, rather than Dana Whites actions?
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You're insinuating that everybody feels that way.

You're making this alot more complicated than it is. Fedor pissed off a powerful man that has a good relationship with sponsors. There was something in it for White, but who really cares if he did it out of spite? Dana won and hopefully Fedor learned something.
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I'm not insinuating everybody feels that way, just you and Funky.

You don't take anything away from this other than Fedor should have learned a lesson.

I don't even care why he did it, it's irrelevant if it's out of spite, if Fedor pissed him off, doesn't matter. I'm not complicating things. Who gives a fuck about Dana/Fedor. This is about the leader of a company killing someone elses sponsorship deal in another organization. This is one company using it's market dominance to maintain control of the market, either for market share, or for control of the business's top fighters.

Is it sound business strategy? Yes. But so is hiring illegals.
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Dana's an asshole. He's treading dangerously close to Anti Trust Grounds.

WIth that being said, I understand his move. You're in business to make money, not friends.

The fighters do get paid shit...THAT IS WHY THEY SHOULD UNIONIZE!
Fighters won't unionise because they have people like white pulling tactics like this. You may be in business to make money, but you might not want to be pulling moves that will get your business busted. That's generally a bad business practice. Unless you're an industry America can't do without, like oil or cars.

It seems to me that the risk here isn't really worth the benefit. And that really isn't good business. Yeah, he might get away with it, but when entities get busted for this stuff the penalties tend to be stiff and/or damaging.
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Fighters won't unionise because they have people like white pulling tactics like this. You may be in business to make money, but you might not want to be pulling moves that will get your business busted. That's generally a bad business practice. Unless you're an industry America can't do without, like oil or cars.

It seems to me that the risk here isn't really worth the benefit. And that really isn't good business. Yeah, he might get away with it, but when entities get busted for this stuff the penalties tend to be stiff and/or damaging.
I absolutely agree. You can be as tyrannical or vindictive as you wish, as long as you stay under the radar. This was a pretty major blip. The sad part, much like the fighter's union idea, is that Dana(UFC) is the Great White Shark in this ocean. Unfortunately, he has more money, and a longer track record with the powers that be. They will tend to bend to his will, as not to be the next meal for him.
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I'm not insinuating everybody feels that way, just you and Funky.

You don't take anything away from this other than Fedor should have learned a lesson.

I don't even care why he did it, it's irrelevant if it's out of spite, if Fedor pissed him off, doesn't matter. I'm not complicating things. Who gives a fuck about Dana/Fedor. This is about the leader of a company killing someone elses sponsorship deal in another organization. This is one company using it's market dominance to maintain control of the market, either for market share, or for control of the business's top fighters.

Is it sound business strategy? Yes. But so is hiring illegals.
Whoa, when did I say it was alright? Re-read my post. I was making a lesser of 2 evils comment.


2 evils.

Just to be clear.
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Sorry you didn't say it was ok, you just think Fedor had it coming?
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:14 PM   #55
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I get your lesser of two evils, I'm just not sure where it is you stand.
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How many livelihoods has he put in jeopardy with his shenanigans? A few million dollars is the least of what he has coming to him. Or rather not coming to him
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It's his fault Afflicktion went under?
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I get your lesser of two evils, I'm just not sure where it is you stand.
If I'm saying it's an evil, chances are I don't support it.

They're both in the wrong, it's just a matter of who is more wrong than the other.
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And that's Fedor, because organizations were willing to pay more than they could to sign him and then went under because of it? Is that Fedors fault, or the asshole who thought they could pay him?
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They probably figured they could increase their profits having him around. But he is a cancer on the business. It's not like they're clamoring to co-promote. He pushes that shit on them. It's blatantly his fault. Not 100% as it takes 2 to tango, but definitely his fault.
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My point has been about fairness and competetion, and how this hurts it, and all I'm really getting is reason why Fedor is ducking Overeem, and how he's killed promotions, yet White is deliberately doing his best to eliminate any competetion, weather is be through threats or black mail.
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They probably figured they could increase their profits having him around. But he is a cancer on the business. It's not like they're clamoring to co-promote. He pushes that shit on them. It's blatantly his fault. Not 100% as it takes 2 to tango, but definitely his fault.
How about they just say no, and don't sign him?
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By the way. I'm still not 100% the Russian mob isn't involved when it comes to where Fedor fights and who he signs with. History shows that the mob has been heavily involved when it comes to the export of elite Russian athletes.
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It's Russia, it should be assumed he's connected to the Mob.
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