Indy Wrestling

[The Pope]

All thanks to me!... that's pretty much the reason though. Every guy under 220 lbs. will try to fly around and pretend there is no such thing as gravity only to fuck up 90% of the time.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by Dr.Perfect All thanks to me!... that's pretty much the reason though. Every guy under 220 lbs. will try to fly around and pretend there is no such thing as gravity only to fuck up 90% of the time.

Incorrect.

It really depends what you're watching. Yes, a decent amount of indy guys will do dives and what not, but it's not a huge part of the match. Of course, there are the occasional flippy idiots (Jack Evans, etc), but they're getting fewer and farther between in the higher up indys (ROH, PWG, heck, even Evolve).

The other, bigger problem, are the insane reversal/ bump spots. I'm talking about where guys would each give huge moves to each other one after theo ther, and pretty much no sell everything for a minute, before a final big move where both collapse on the ground. ROH was a huge offender for this awhile back, but it's gotten better too.

What it ultimately comes down to is PSYCHOLOGY. A good chunk of indy wrestlers have it, a good chunk don't. A larger chunk are on par and passable.

[The Fugitive]

Originally Posted by Dr.Perfect All thanks to me!... that's pretty much the reason though. Every guy under 220 lbs. will try to fly around and pretend there is no such thing as gravity only to fuck up 90% of the time.

I find myself agreeing with this to a degree. Genetics play a big part of wrestling and fortunately/unfortunately, not everyone can be the 6'6, 290lb monster. So you have to find your place with how you're going to wrestle. And quite a few think 'that high-flying stuff looks easy enough'.

I also tend to disagree about that being a point because it all comes down to experience in the ring. Yes, 90% of the time, they'll botch what they were trying to do, but give them a few months, that number drops down to 80%. Another few months, 75% and so on. Nobody walks into the ring and becomes a Rey Mysterio overnight.

I think the significant reason for independent 'hatred' is quite simply, they're not as polished. Disregarding the current women's wrestling situation, the majority of wrestlers that are called and displayed on TV are polished, their ringwork is refined to where it's fluid and crisp. You watch that on TV, then you go to a independent show where everyone's still cutting their teeth and you're going to make unfair comparsions.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by The Fugitive I think the significant reason for independent 'hatred' is quite simply, they're not as polished. Disregarding the current women's wrestling situation, the majority of wrestlers that are called and displayed on TV are polished, their ringwork is refined to where it's fluid and crisp. You watch that on TV, then you go to a independent show where everyone's still cutting their teeth and you're going to make unfair comparsions.

I think this needs one caveat though. The wrestlers you see on tv are MUCH more restricted. Not only in what they can and can't do, but in timing. At an indy show, I doubt the promoter is going to give two shits if they finish 3 minutes late. On tv, they're going to get chewed out. So, in WWE for example, yes, they're more fluid, but they may not have as many options.

The only time I really notice this a lot is when people botch things. In WWE it seems like if someone botches something, they're not quite sure what to do, and heck, once in awhile they'll try to run the exact same spot. In the indy's a lot, it seems like they'll just go with the flow, work around it, and come back to it a different way if need be.

Take for example the one tag match that happened awhile back with Orton and Jericho on opposite sides, and Jericho had someone in the WoJ, and Orton ran, tried to his the RKO, but Jericho didn't budge and Orton went flying awkwardly... He just got up and did the exact same thing, which didn't make much sense at all. Especially when he ran right past them again to bounce off the ropes again, etc.

[The Pope]

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? The only time I really notice this a lot is when people botch things. In WWE it seems like if someone botches something, they're not quite sure what to do, and heck, once in awhile they'll try to run the exact same spot. In the indy's a lot, it seems like they'll just go with the flow, work around it, and come back to it a different way if need be. Take for example the one tag match that happened awhile back with Orton and Jericho on opposite sides, and Jericho had someone in the WoJ, and Orton ran, tried to his the RKO, but Jericho didn't budge and Orton went flying awkwardly... He just got up and did the exact same thing, which didn't make much sense at all. Especially when he ran right past them again to bounce off the ropes again, etc.

Because all of the WWE match is scripted. The indy matches are a bit "free-style" until the final 2-4 minutes. Then the finish is scripted. I guess WWE wrestlers are scared to get chewed up if they don't re-do their original spot.