MLB 2010 Season Thread - Page 86

**Skippord** · 10-04-2010, 04:19 PM

yeah the poor Rangers not being able to trade for Cliff Lee

**Dragon** · 10-04-2010, 04:25 PM

I think it'll be the Yankees/Phillies again. Then there will be an uproar over the need for a salary cap again.

**Aguakate** · 10-04-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippord

yeah the poor Rangers not being able to trade for Cliff Lee

Nah, more like the poor Colorado Rockies going 1-9 to finish the season and 31-50 on the road.

**Aguakate** · 10-04-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragon

I think it'll be the Yankees/Phillies again. Then there will be an uproar over the need for a salary cap again.

With teams like the Twins and Rays being in the playoffs, that argument is stale.

It's not always about the money, it's about who develops the best players and who makes the wisest moves. Teams with big payrolls like the Mets, Red Sox and Cubs didn't make the playoffs.

**Dragon** · 10-04-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate

With teams like the Twins and Rays being in the playoffs, that argument is stale.

It's not always about the money, it's about who develops the best players and who makes the wisest moves. Teams with big payrolls like the Mets, Red Sox and Cubs didn't make the playoffs.

I know that but if its NY/PHI again the whole salary cap thing will come up again.

Looking at the payrolls of the teams in the playoffs this year you can really see how spread apart the payrolls are. In the playoffs are the teams with the #1, 4, 10, 11, 15, 19, 21 and 27 payrolls. Doesn't really get much more even than that.

**Aguakate** · 10-04-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragon

I know that but if its NY/PHI again the whole salary cap thing will come up again.

Looking at the payrolls of the teams in the playoffs this year you can really see how spread apart the payrolls are. In the playoffs are the teams with the #1, 4, 10, 11, 15, 19, 21 and 27 payrolls. Doesn't really get much more even than that.

I actually have NOTHING bad to say about these playoffs...a wide variety of teams made it. You got your Reds, Braves, Rangers and Giants (teams that don't make the playoffs every year)...you have your Twins and Rays (teams that show that you don't have to have the highest payroll to win...and you have your Yankees and Phillies (the powerhouses).

It's a pretty even field.

**Loose Cannon** · 10-04-2010, 06:10 PM

like Inno said, AL is whomever shows up. There's no clear fav to me there. In the NL, I really think the Phillies just cruise on in to the Series unless there is a complete collapse in thier pitching.

**Loose Cannon** · 10-04-2010, 06:15 PM

can't wait for Pavano to throw a 8 inning 1 hitter

**Aguakate** · 10-04-2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

can't wait for Pavano to throw a 8 inning 1 hitter

...That'd be an "F U" moment.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 10-04-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragon

I know that but if its NY/PHI again the whole salary cap thing will come up again.

Looking at the payrolls of the teams in the playoffs this year you can really see how spread apart the payrolls are. In the playoffs are the teams with the #1, 4, 10, 11, 15, 19, 21 and 27 payrolls. Doesn't really get much more even than that.

That's a completely misguided assessment of competition that doesn't address the key issue at all which is sustainability. It uses one season of a team's specific roster that took years to create. And after this season is over, the small market teams have to reassess their rosters based on salary while the big market teams get to reassess their rosters based on talent. That is fundamentally unfair.

The stat that the Reds made the playoffs with the 21st highest payroll completely ignores the fact that it took 15 years of rebuilding with little money to get there. And it completely ignores the fact that after this season they'll have to let pieces go because they're too expensive. Again, fundamentally unfair.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 10-04-2010, 07:44 PM

I can't believe people are actually trying to use the Rays as an example of winning in a small market. Have we all completely forgotten about the 10 straight seasons of 90+ losses? Are we ignoring that their best player is going to get bought by a big market team this offseason because the Rays can't afford him?

**Aguakate** · 10-04-2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon

I can't believe people are actually trying to use the Rays as an example of winning in a small market. Have we all completely forgotten about the 10 straight seasons of 90+ losses? Are we ignoring that their best player is going to get bought by a big market team this offseason because the Rays can't afford him?

...So...you're saying THEY ARE an example of winning in a small market...

...Which they ARE.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 10-04-2010, 08:04 PM

First of all can you please type like a grownup? You don't need ellipses. Spaces work just fine.

Second, they're successful now, after a decade of failure trying to make themselves competitive by stockpiling prospects. But soon those prospects will leave for big market contracts the Rays simply can't afford. And then they'll have to start the process over again. Meanwhile big market teams can try to be competitive every single year. That is horribly unfair.

**Droford** · 10-04-2010, 09:21 PM

Guy bets against Pirates every game of the 2010 Season, see the results here

almost a 10% return, pretty sweet

**McLegend** · 10-04-2010, 09:28 PM

I would like to see the Phillies become one of if not the best National League team ever.

Screw you guys.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 10-04-2010, 09:40 PM

Well the Cardinals pretty much have that on lockdown for the foreseeable future with 10 World titles. Phillies definitely have dynasty potential though.

**McLegend** · 10-04-2010, 10:17 PM

3 World Series in a row hasn't been done since the 40's? National league of course

**Evil Vito** · 10-05-2010, 12:47 AM

At the end of the year I like to look at the games I went to on the year and see how my record was. One of these days I need to try and compile my all-time record. I keep my ticket stubs religiously so I could figure it out.

I went 0-4 last year. This year was more merciful at 2-1, though I interestingly enough got to experience the high and low points of the year.

April 28: Mets beat Dodgers 7-3. Gives them a 7-game winning streak as things look pretty optimistic for the year. It's the only good game John Maine pitches this season.

June 23: Mets beat Tigers 5-0. Things still looking pretty good for the Mets. Dickey shows everybody why he's a crowd favorite. Crowd boos K-Rod when he comes out for the 9th because everybody wanted to see Dickey go for the shutout.

August 11: Rockies beat Mets 6-2. Manny Acosta lets up a grand slam which deflates the crowd. The 2-9 West Coast swing after the All Star Break had taken it's toll, hope is lost by this point. Lots of Fire Jerry chants. K-Rod winds up injuring himself after the game.

**Skippord** · 10-05-2010, 01:20 AM

that's kind of a cool thing to do. I am going to do it right now as well. I only went to two games though which is a drag.

1-1

The first one was early in the season. I don't really remember when but it was the game where Chris Iannetta hit a walk off home run to beat the Mets right after I said that he would hit a walk off home run.

Second one was when the Giants were here in August and Jonathan Sanchez dismantled the Rockies and they ended up losing 10-1 and I wanted to jump off of the stadium by the fifth inning.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 10-05-2010, 01:29 AM

Going to Game 3 on Sunday. Hope I run my postseason record to 1-0.

Pretty content with the unanimous Phillies prediction for the series so far. Haven't heard or read of a single person outside of Cincinnati picking the Reds, and I only know two or three in the city picking the Reds too. But that's the way it should be given the two teams' resumes. Still, it's nice when a young, hungry team is completely overlooked.

**Jeritron** · 10-05-2010, 02:46 AM

I pick the Reds with my heart

**DaveWadding** · 10-05-2010, 02:55 AM

I went a ridiculous 5-2 at D'Backs games this year.

**Evil Vito** · 10-05-2010, 10:30 AM

Jeff Wilpon saying all the right things on WFAN this morning, including taking fan phone calls which is a pretty ballsy move on his part.

He said the new GM is gonna have full autonomy, including having the final say as to who is the next manager. He was even asked specifically that if the GM came to him and said that he couldn't move Perez but he can't be here, would he eat the $12 million - and Wilpon said absolutely. He was also asked if the budget is going to be a problem and he said no. When asked "So if the GM asked you for $20 million for Cliff Lee to better the team" Wilpon said he'd do it.

Naturally, I'll believe the full autonomy thing when I see it. But I hope he's telling the truth.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 10-05-2010, 12:14 PM

Yeah ok. In other news,
Pirates owners decided to increase payroll by 900%.

**Innovator** · 10-05-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito 22

Jeff Wilpon saying all the right things on WFAN this morning, including taking fan phone calls which is a pretty ballsy move on his part.

He said the new GM is gonna have full autonomy, including having the final say as to who is the next manager. He was even asked specifically that if the GM came to him and said that he couldn't move Perez but he can't be here, would he eat the $12 million - and Wilpon said absolutely. He was also asked if the budget is going to be a problem and he said no. When asked "So if the GM asked you for $20 million for Cliff Lee to better the team" Wilpon said he'd do it.

Naturally, I'll believe the full autonomy thing when I see it. But I hope he's telling the truth.

Boomer and Carton? If he went on Beningo and Evan, they'd be foaming.

**Triple Naitch** · 10-05-2010, 01:20 PM

Rooting for

1. Phillies
2. Giants
3. Rangers
4. Twins
5. Reds
6. Braves
7. Rays
8. Yankees

**Triple Naitch** · 10-05-2010, 01:29 PM

Ron Washington should be the feel good story of the postseason. He was smoking crack in shitty motel rooms this time last year.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-05-2010, 02:55 PM

Japan has a new single season hits leader....

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/s...ICAGOHeadlines

**Evil Vito** · 10-05-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Innovator

Boomer and Carton? If he went on Beningo and Evan, they'd be foaming.

Yeah, Boomer and Carton. They asked the right questions.

Now to see if what he said was bullshit or not.

**parkmania** · 10-05-2010, 04:26 PM

Pirates fired Russell.

Just who do they actually think they're gonna get that could do any better with the crap that ownership lets them have.

And last week they fired their AA manager the day after he was named AA Manager of the Year.

**Aguakate** · 10-06-2010, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by parkmania

Pirates fired Russell.

Just who do they actually think they're gonna get that could do any better with the crap that ownership lets them have.

And last week they fired their AA manager the day after he was named AA Manager of the Year.

The Pirates are a team that hasn't won since the Barry Bonds/Bobby Bonilla days, yet they never seem to REALLY try to improve...they never try to sign decent players (stars), they never hire a GOOD manager who's had success...nothing.

**Evil Vito** · 10-06-2010, 02:05 AM

Francisco Liriano and Tim Hudson are the Comeback Players of the Year

NL pool must have been really bleak this year to give it to a guy who already came back at the end of last year. If Reyes didn't injure his oblique this year I gotta figure he would've won it.

If they were to base this award on guys who went from bad-or-mediocre to really good then Thome and Dickey would've this on lockdown.

**Aguakate** · 10-06-2010, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito 22

Francisco Liriano and Tim Hudson are the Comeback Players of the Year

NL pool must have been really bleak this year to give it to a guy who already came back at the end of last year. If they were to base this award on guys who went from bad-or-mediocre to really good then Thome and Dickey would have had this on lockdown.

...Thome's on the AL, though...uknow, Minnesota Twins...

**Evil Vito** · 10-06-2010, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate

...Thome's on the AL, though...uknow, Minnesota Twins...

No shit Sherlock. I'm certain he would have won it ahead of Liriano.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 10-06-2010, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate

...Thome's on the AL, though...uknow, Minnesota Twins...

STOP TYPING LIKE A FUCKING RETARD

**Aguakate** · 10-06-2010, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito 22

No shit Sherlock. I'm certain he would have won it ahead of Liriano.

...Should've. I actually think he should get MVP votes.

He had the best OBP in the MLB since The All Star Break, plus, he carried that team in the second half out of NOWHERE.

**Aguakate** · 10-06-2010, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon

STOP TYPING LIKE A FUCKING RETARD

...It's called "forum sex appeal".

PD: Stop ACTING like a retard.

**Evil Vito** · 10-06-2010, 02:19 AM

I wonder how a Breakout Player of the Year award would be received. Rookies not eligible. Basically an award for the crappy or mediocre players who finally break out.

Comeback Player of the Year is usually reserved for guys who were good, had a really bad year with performance, injuries, whatever...and then they bounced back.

That kinda squeezes out the R.A. Dickeys and Colby Lewises of the world, who were never good to begin with and so they only bounced back from perennial crappiness. The Breakout Player of the Year Award would give them something. Jose Bautista would be the runaway AL winner for that award this year.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 10-06-2010, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate

...It's called "forum sex appeal".

PD: Stop ACTING like a retard.

Are you actually educated? Who taught you to put ... in every fucking sentence? Do your friends do that? Do you think it's cool? Do you have a learning disability?

**Aguakate** · 10-06-2010, 02:23 AM

...I don't want Jose Bautista anywhere NEAR an award until next season ends and we see if he's the real deal, and those "batting changes" he made last September ('09) are the REAL reason for his success, or if he's the Dominican version of Brady Anderson.

10-04-2010, 04:19 PM	#3401
Skippord I'm Mr. White Christmas Posts: 44,526	yeah the poor Rangers not being able to trade for Cliff Lee

10-04-2010, 04:25 PM	#3402
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	I think it'll be the Yankees/Phillies again. Then there will be an uproar over the need for a salary cap again.

10-04-2010, 06:10 PM	#3407
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	like Inno said, AL is whomever shows up. There's no clear fav to me there. In the NL, I really think the Phillies just cruise on in to the Series unless there is a complete collapse in thier pitching.

10-04-2010, 06:15 PM	#3408
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	can't wait for Pavano to throw a 8 inning 1 hitter

10-04-2010, 07:44 PM	#3411
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,764	I can't believe people are actually trying to use the Rays as an example of winning in a small market. Have we all completely forgotten about the 10 straight seasons of 90+ losses? Are we ignoring that their best player is going to get bought by a big market team this offseason because the Rays can't afford him?

10-04-2010, 08:04 PM	#3413
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,764	First of all can you please type like a grownup? You don't need ellipses. Spaces work just fine. Second, they're successful now, after a decade of failure trying to make themselves competitive by stockpiling prospects. But soon those prospects will leave for big market contracts the Rays simply can't afford. And then they'll have to start the process over again. Meanwhile big market teams can try to be competitive every single year. That is horribly unfair.

10-04-2010, 09:21 PM	#3414
Droford Posts: 52,478	Guy bets against Pirates every game of the 2010 Season, see the results here almost a 10% return, pretty sweet

10-04-2010, 09:28 PM	#3415
McLegend Temporary Posts: 15,613	I would like to see the Phillies become one of if not the best National League team ever. Screw you guys.

10-04-2010, 09:40 PM	#3416
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,764	Well the Cardinals pretty much have that on lockdown for the foreseeable future with 10 World titles. Phillies definitely have dynasty potential though.

10-04-2010, 10:17 PM	#3417
McLegend Temporary Posts: 15,613	3 World Series in a row hasn't been done since the 40's? National league of course

10-05-2010, 12:47 AM	#3418
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,383	At the end of the year I like to look at the games I went to on the year and see how my record was. One of these days I need to try and compile my all-time record. I keep my ticket stubs religiously so I could figure it out. I went 0-4 last year. This year was more merciful at 2-1, though I interestingly enough got to experience the high and low points of the year. April 28: Mets beat Dodgers 7-3. Gives them a 7-game winning streak as things look pretty optimistic for the year. It's the only good game John Maine pitches this season. June 23: Mets beat Tigers 5-0. Things still looking pretty good for the Mets. Dickey shows everybody why he's a crowd favorite. Crowd boos K-Rod when he comes out for the 9th because everybody wanted to see Dickey go for the shutout. August 11: Rockies beat Mets 6-2. Manny Acosta lets up a grand slam which deflates the crowd. The 2-9 West Coast swing after the All Star Break had taken it's toll, hope is lost by this point. Lots of Fire Jerry chants. K-Rod winds up injuring himself after the game.

10-05-2010, 01:20 AM	#3419
Skippord I'm Mr. White Christmas Posts: 44,526	that's kind of a cool thing to do. I am going to do it right now as well. I only went to two games though which is a drag. 1-1 The first one was early in the season. I don't really remember when but it was the game where Chris Iannetta hit a walk off home run to beat the Mets right after I said that he would hit a walk off home run. Second one was when the Giants were here in August and Jonathan Sanchez dismantled the Rockies and they ended up losing 10-1 and I wanted to jump off of the stadium by the fifth inning.

10-05-2010, 01:29 AM	#3420
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,764	Going to Game 3 on Sunday. Hope I run my postseason record to 1-0. Pretty content with the unanimous Phillies prediction for the series so far. Haven't heard or read of a single person outside of Cincinnati picking the Reds, and I only know two or three in the city picking the Reds too. But that's the way it should be given the two teams' resumes. Still, it's nice when a young, hungry team is completely overlooked.

10-05-2010, 02:46 AM	#3421
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	I pick the Reds with my heart

10-05-2010, 02:55 AM	#3422
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	I went a ridiculous 5-2 at D'Backs games this year.

10-05-2010, 10:30 AM	#3423
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,383	Jeff Wilpon saying all the right things on WFAN this morning, including taking fan phone calls which is a pretty ballsy move on his part. He said the new GM is gonna have full autonomy, including having the final say as to who is the next manager. He was even asked specifically that if the GM came to him and said that he couldn't move Perez but he can't be here, would he eat the $12 million - and Wilpon said absolutely. He was also asked if the budget is going to be a problem and he said no. When asked "So if the GM asked you for $20 million for Cliff Lee to better the team" Wilpon said he'd do it. Naturally, I'll believe the full autonomy thing when I see it. But I hope he's telling the truth.

10-05-2010, 12:14 PM	#3424
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,764	Yeah ok. In other news, Pirates owners decided to increase payroll by 900%.

10-05-2010, 01:20 PM	#3426
Triple Naitch Formerly Fausto Carmona Posts: 16,875	Rooting for 1. Phillies 2. Giants 3. Rangers 4. Twins 5. Reds 6. Braves 7. Rays 8. Yankees

10-05-2010, 01:29 PM	#3427
Triple Naitch Formerly Fausto Carmona Posts: 16,875	Ron Washington should be the feel good story of the postseason. He was smoking crack in shitty motel rooms this time last year.

10-05-2010, 02:55 PM	#3428
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	Japan has a new single season hits leader.... http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/s...ICAGOHeadlines

10-05-2010, 04:26 PM	#3430
parkmania #BUCTOBER Posts: 6,461	Pirates fired Russell. Just who do they actually think they're gonna get that could do any better with the crap that ownership lets them have. And last week they fired their AA manager the day after he was named AA Manager of the Year.

10-06-2010, 02:05 AM	#3432
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,383	Francisco Liriano and Tim Hudson are the Comeback Players of the Year NL pool must have been really bleak this year to give it to a guy who already came back at the end of last year. If Reyes didn't injure his oblique this year I gotta figure he would've won it. If they were to base this award on guys who went from bad-or-mediocre to really good then Thome and Dickey would've this on lockdown.

10-06-2010, 02:19 AM	#3438
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,383	I wonder how a Breakout Player of the Year award would be received. Rookies not eligible. Basically an award for the crappy or mediocre players who finally break out. Comeback Player of the Year is usually reserved for guys who were good, had a really bad year with performance, injuries, whatever...and then they bounced back. That kinda squeezes out the R.A. Dickeys and Colby Lewises of the world, who were never good to begin with and so they only bounced back from perennial crappiness. The Breakout Player of the Year Award would give them something. Jose Bautista would be the runaway AL winner for that award this year.

10-06-2010, 02:23 AM	#3440
Aguakate Posts: 6,350	...I don't want Jose Bautista anywhere NEAR an award until next season ends and we see if he's the real deal, and those "batting changes" he made last September ('09) are the REAL reason for his success, or if he's the Dominican version of Brady Anderson.