Shawn Michaels: Can we ever take him at his word?

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by Mjdiesel Since when is Michaels the authority of what Ric Flair does with himself after he retires. Shouldn't Ric Flair be the authority of what Ric Flair does with himself when he retires?

HBK was Flairs last match in the WWE. They gave him a big send off to the night after. You can understand Shawn's point of view if you step back from your ignorant trolling for a second.

[Shaved Monkey]

Originally Posted by TL HBK was Flairs last match in the WWE. They gave him a big send off to the night after. You can understand Shawn's point of view if you step back from your ignorant trolling for a second.

How is he trolling? He's right. So what if Flair told HBK he would retire? If Flair has financial obligations or whatever to meet those would come way ahead of what he told HBK.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by Shaved Monkey How is he trolling? He's right. So what if Flair told HBK he would retire? If Flair has financial obligations or whatever to meet those would come way ahead of what he told HBK.

Cause he's not understanding the emotion of the whole point of Flair "retiring", i can see why Shawn would be annoyed about it. Not that he has the final word or whatever.

[Mjdiesel]

Originally Posted by TL HBK was Flairs last match in the WWE. They gave him a big send off to the night after. You can understand Shawn's point of view if you step back from your ignorant trolling for a second.

Because I don't indulge in Shawn's package while playing with his ballsack with two fingers--it means I'm a troll?

I can't take such irrational bullshit and won't. No one should put up with that.

Like someone else said "why the emotion"---jesus, some of these wrestlers need to GET OVER THEMSELVES.

Shawn overreacted like a child over Ric's retirement (lack thereof), and this is coming from a non Flair fan....

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by Mjdiesel Because I don't indulge in Shawn's package while playing with his ballsack with two fingers--it means I'm a troll? I can't take such irrational bullshit and won't. No one should put up with that. Like someone else said "why the emotion"---jesus, some of these wrestlers need to GET OVER THEMSELVES. Shawn overreacted like a child over Ric's retirement (lack thereof), and this is coming from a non Flair fan....

Calm down, troll. All i'm saying is Flair should respect what Shawn put into what should've been his "final match" and the big send off they gave him. By going to TNA and wrestling in doing so, he isn't respecting that. He could've made money other ways, like just beign a manager or whatever else.

[Mjdiesel]

Originally Posted by TL Calm down, troll. All i'm saying is Flair should respect what Shawn put into what should've been his "final match" and the big send off they gave him. By going to TNA and wrestling in doing so, he isn't respecting that. He could've made money other ways, like just beign a manager or whatever else.

And boo fucking hoo, Shawn gets no sympathy from me after giving his word to Bret Hart, looking him in the eye that he knew nothing about the screwjob. That's called being a piece of shit.


Oh and Ric has something in common with Shawn Michaels other than being in the crossroads of their respective careers.

it's called EGO. Shawn retired, yet made 9 appearances since that WM loss to Taker. They HAVE to be in the spotlight. It's Apollo Creed syndrome.

BTW, is it true pineapple juice makes it taste better?

[whiteyford]

Originally Posted by Mjdiesel Shawn retired, yet made 9 appearances since that WM loss to Taker. They HAVE to be in the spotlight. It's Apollo Creed syndrome.

1 was Raw after 'Mania, 1 was Raw after his HOF announcement...the other 7 were non televised?

[Mjdiesel]

Originally Posted by whiteyford 1 was Raw after 'Mania, 1 was Raw after his HOF announcement...the other 7 were non televised?

It must have been another night that he gave the sweet chin music to Alberto Del Rio then.

Nothing says closure in the wrestling world like superkicking Alberto Del Rio.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Mjdiesel It must have been another night that he gave the sweet chin music to Alberto Del Rio then. Nothing says closure in the wrestling world like superkicking Alberto Del Rio.

It's a ancient tradition that dates back to Del Rio's daddy trying to abort him.

Oh yeah, I went there.

[Onyx]

Originally Posted by Mjdiesel It must have been another night that he gave the sweet chin music to Alberto Del Rio then. Nothing says closure in the wrestling world like superkicking Alberto Del Rio.

The superkick to Del Rio was on the night he was announced as the first entrant to the HOF. He was announced, his music hit, fans went nuts, then before he could say anything, Del Rio interrupted and cut a promo about how he would outshine everything HBK did in his career, starting with winning the Rumble. Then HBK superkicked him. In total he has only appeared twice on WWE TV since retiring, the other was the farewell speech.

HBK has said he will never wrestle again, but he said those exact same words in 2002 on WWE Confidential (does anyone remember that old show?). I have the episode taped since I was a huge HBK mark back in the day and tapped anything he was on. He said on that episode that HBK was dead, and I believe he even referred to himself by his real name. Not long after that, he returned as a member of the nWo, but didn't say a word. The next week he cut his first promo, and said he wasn't back to wrestle. He implied he was just there to be a manager/leader to the nWo. Then like a month later was SummerSlam 2002 where he wrestled his first match back. It was supposed to be a one time thing, and we see how well that turned out.

But besides that, when the hell does being retired from the ring mean that they are 100% gone from the WWE. JBL was retired from the ring and was a Smackdown commentator for quite some time. Being "retired" just means no more in-ring wrestling or "active performing." Anything else is perfectly fine. HBK could be the GM, an announcer, a commentator, a special referee, or just walk out and superkick someone from time to time and still be considered retired.

Let's not forget, Stone Cold has been retired as a wrestler since, what? 2002? But has made various appearances over the years, often stunning someone, and was co-GM with Eric Bischoff for awhile. The Rock is a retired wrestler, but is set to Host Mania. And during HBK's first retirement, he made several appearances, and had a run as the WWE Commissioner.

Hell, even Ric Flair made at least one appearance AFTER his retirement match with HBK and his farewell the following night. He came back and got into an altercation with Y2J. They beat each other up, Y2J got the better of him, took the watch that he was given the night of his big sendoff, and smashed it (storyline). He challenged Flair to a match, but Flair refused, stating in his promo that it would "be disrespectful" to the match he had with Shawn Michaels, and that he would stay true to his word and stay retired. So he was in the corner of Y2J's opponent instead, I believe.

Can we trust HBK's word that he will stay retired? (Which means not WRESTLING, and does NOT mean that he won't make appearances in a non-wrestling capacity) I don't know, and honestly despite being a huge HBK fan, I don't really care. Yes he came back once, but he was younger then. It was almost 10 years ago. Age makes a lot of difference in something like this.

Just give it a rest and let the man do what he feels is right. Of course he has lied in the past. Haven't all of you? It doesn't mean he is incapable of ever being honest. And it sure as hell doesn't mean that he won't stay to his word now.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Mjdiesel They HAVE to be in the spotlight. It's Apollo Creed syndrome.

As opposed to Assassin's Creed Syndrome, where they hang out on park benches while the spotlight wanders by obliviously.