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Old 03-14-2011, 06:54 PM   #81
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thedamndest had the correct response to that

Most of those listed were more respectable celebs then Snookie.
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Old 03-14-2011, 06:59 PM   #82
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I never agreed with you about the standard of celeb involvement to begin with, so why should it be relevant how respectable any of those celebs are compared to Snooki?

All of those celebs can land on whatever lettered list you choose to class them. The WWE has never had a higher standard than Snooki, and she's pretty damn famous atm for their standards in any era.
Just because they occasionally pulled stars that garner more respect, doesn't mean it's a lost motto. They would have done their best to book Snooki in 1985 or 1995.
They go for fame, relevance, and colorful characters that attract attention. They'll take what they can get.
The respectability is all your projection.
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:00 PM   #83
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Do you reall ythink they booked her for her respectability? I dont eat at Taco Bell because it is fancy, I eat there because it is food for 89 cents.

Snookie is famous right now for being a trashy skank whore. And tons of people watch that shit because it is such a train wreck. So the WWE is bringing her in, because it will draw a crowd, generate Buzz, and she will probably do anything.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DEBATE HERE
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I'm done, bring the thread back up when the ratings come out.
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Isn't Jersey Shore the most watched MTV program ever? I thought I read that somewhere. Regardless, it's one of the hottest things that's been on TV in the last year or two. To say that Snooki is not really famous is ridiculous. You have to be living under a rock to not know who she is.
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Isn't Jersey Shore the most watched MTV program ever? I thought I read that somewhere. Regardless, it's one of the hottest things that's been on TV in the last year or two. To say that Snooki is not really famous is ridiculous. You have to be living under a rock to not know who she is.
There are people who rarely watch TV and/or don't hang out on message boards so not knowing who she is isn't as weird as you think. Just cause its hot shit doesn't mean everybody should know or care about it.

I think her fame has more to do with media coverage and TMZ than the show.
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Furthermore, it is easy to know of Jersey Shore, but not of Snooki.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:21 PM   #90
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Isn't Jersey Shore the most watched MTV program ever? I thought I read that somewhere. Regardless, it's one of the hottest things that's been on TV in the last year or two. To say that Snooki is not really famous is ridiculous. You have to be living under a rock to not know who she is.
The whole guest host thing last year has taught me that 99% of wrestling fans are not in tune with pop culture.
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:52 AM   #91
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Just about everyone i know is aware of Snooki and Jersey shore, so stop fucking trolling you muties.
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Though Dronepool is a Manson fan, which means he is about 10 years behind the time, and white trash, anyways.
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:57 AM   #93
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Snooki is only famous in the usa. Most of the world have barely heard of her. I only know her because of tna try to get jersey show "stars"
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Furthermore, it is easy to know of Jersey Shore, but not of Snooki.
I think most people know who Snooki and Situation are, even if they don't watch the show. The other cast members are not as popular though.
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I have never heard of "Situation".
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Me either but I know who Snooki is.
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Old 03-15-2011, 04:00 AM   #97
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Snooki is only famous in the usa. Most of the world have barely heard of her. I only know her because of tna try to get jersey show "stars"
BULL...SHIT!

I know who Snooki is and I live in England, where they show Jersey Shore on a weekly basis as a minimum (probably more if I cared to look it up).

Y'think people knew all these other guests hosts?

Bob Barker means shit outside of America. As do Al Sharpton, Ben Roethlisberger, Nancy O'Dell, Kyle Busch and Joey Logano, Mark Cuban, Dulé Hill, Carl Edwards, Jewel and Ty Murray, Cheech & Chong, Pete Rose, Rob Corddry, Clark Duke and Craig Robinson, Mark Feuerstein, Florence Henderson, Chad Ochocinco, Bobb'e J. Thompson, Toby Keith, Paul Reubens, Ariel Winter.

That's not to say that *I* don't know who half of those people are because I am pretty intune with moder/pop culture.

But you know why none of that matters? Because America is their MAIN AUDIENCE.
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Before the Guest hosts I always thought WWE was higher up in the levels of the entertainment world. Other than in the USA was this perception that WWE could have actuall hollywood stars host Raw.

I mean at one stage they had Ali at wrestlemania then cut to Raw with all these lame asses hosting it. This guest host thing has shown the world just how little wrestling is valued. Can't even get anyone with world recognition.mmeh.
And this whole thread spawns from this quite frankly ridiculous notion that WWE was high up in the entertainment world.

Seriously, who - aside from MAC - thought WWE wasn't pretty much the "Black Sheep" of the entertainment world?

This forum is quickly becoming unbearable.
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okay,

Most of us in other parts of the world get a localized M-TV and not Snooki and co.

Besides, is Jersey Shore PG?

Look I no way expected WWE to be as high rated as House or Boston Legal but I didn't think it would be JUST slightly above some of the other trash on tv. I mean their production value is high, they are international but they rank so low.

You see wrestlers on other shows , like Hulk on the roast of Hasslehoff and wasn't exactl the "big get" for the show.

I guess its a matter of perspective, I'm not from the states so to me American TV trends tend no to apply.
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What does that have to do with your original (and ridiculous) post?

Which, by the way, is by no means "interesting" at all.
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firstly, if it was so uninteresting why the hell did you even bother replying to this thread?

All I'm saying is that for foreigners such as myself the perception of WWE and wrestling was that is was much more higher up than it actually is. The quality, or lack thereof , in guests lifts that veil. What is wrong in saying that?

Some of you just need to chill the fuck out. Your opinion is only YOUR opinion.
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Jesus, most people on here need to get laid and stop being so up tight.

Snookie doesn't equal ratings and neither does the Jersey Shore, if it did TNA would have got ratings from it.

This is fucking sports entertainment and like it or not it is seen by the entertainment business as a joke and hence there ain't gonna be any creditable celebs on ANY show.
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Precisely.

Your misguided opinion is that WWE was seen as something to be held in esteem in the field of entertainment. I have no idea what made you think this in the first place because you haven't made that all too clear.

You're also passing YOUR opinion off as that of others. I'm a "foreigner" in so far as I'm not from the US but I don't share your take on WWE's place in the entertainment spectrum. It doesn't come off as anything but good ol' wrasslin' to me.

This "revelation" that it isn't held in such regard, due to the caliber of Guest Host/Star is pretty moot as you're the only one that seems to think that wrestling is held in any kind of esteem by "Hollywood". Therefore it's only "interesting" to you.

And why did I reply? To call you on your shit. That's what I do.
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Jesus, most people on here need to get laid and stop being so up tight.

Snookie doesn't equal ratings and neither does the Jersey Shore, if it did TNA would have got ratings from it.

This is fucking sports entertainment and like it or not it is seen by the entertainment business as a joke and hence there ain't gonna be any creditable celebs on ANY show.
No. People need to stop being moromic on here. Period.

The opening post is assanine and then the thread somehow managed to degenerate from there. Arguments about what consitutes being a celeb and what doesn't. He said/She said. And a whole host of posts about Snooki despite the fact that there is already a thread on the subject of her being on Raw.

In fact, The MAC's opinion could have gone it there and this thread need not have existed in the first place. Now we have the same discussion going on in two threads.
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LOL.

Too late, she's gone now. Could only afford the "Overnight Service".
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Are people going to tune in to see the wreck that is SNooki on RAW - SHIT YES

And it will get press.

What at all would they do with someone Legit? Who really wants to someone like Kevin Spacey or any other A LISTER stand around and not really want to be on Raw. They are above,

The WWE is a spectacle and thye want to book celebrities that ARE just that. Not someone famous.

I dont get the debate here.
I think that still neatly misses the point. From Tyson to Snookie.

I think the only people who are bringing up the likes of Stewart or Streep are the folks who are trying to create a ridiculous version of the "other side's" argument in order to appear to easily defeat said argument.

This thread certainly wasn't about how they used to have the likes of Sir Ian McKellan or Michael Caine, but about how they used to have the likes of Tyson, and now they have shitty reality TV stars and guys who are only famous because they fucked someone famous.

Before you fuckwads start crying about all sorts of shit I didn't say, let's get some things I actually believe out of the way.

  • Snookie will benefit Raw. She will benefit Raw more than most of the guest hosts.
  • 80% of the people bitching about her being on the show tuned in. I'm sure they will try and take some sort of high ground, like they were watching it "ironically," but they're hypocrites. Moving on.
  • Snookie still won't benefit Raw like a serious household name. Snookie will play out with Raw Is Trailer Parks, yes. There will be some crossover, yes. there will not be a huge intro to pro wrestling.
  • And when I say "household name," I do not mean Patrick Stewart, Meryl Streep, or whatever bullshit someone wants to make up to distort the argument.
Yes, I know the shit already happened, but I'll wait for actual ratings, not the asspull ones that Ruan Clark pulls from a more reputable sheet that still doesn't match the actual Nielsen ratings. Hence the predictive statements.
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Old 03-15-2011, 11:23 AM   #109
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I think the drop from TYSON TO SNOOKIE is less of an indictment of the WWE and more of a statement on our society.
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And lets not act like Tyson is this amazing star. He was a guy who bit someones ear off and was in prison for rape. That was his allure. Not that much better than "Famous for fucking someone famous"
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I think the drop from TYSON TO SNOOKIE is less of an indictment of the WWE and more of a statement on our society.
Amen to that
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I think the drop from TYSON TO SNOOKIE is less of an indictment of the WWE and more of a statement on our society.
Society's always going down the tubes. Plus, I love how you basically flip the script and take the opposite side.

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And lets not act like Tyson is this amazing star. He was a guy who bit someones ear off and was in prison for rape. That was his allure. Not that much better than "Famous for fucking someone famous"
And if he were just some random schlub who bit someone's ear, you'd have a point. The narrative was his fall from grace, which requires he actually be, you know...In grace.

You can't fall from somewhere you ain't never been.

Tyson was already a household name, and continued to be, amazingly. It's not that taking a chunk out of a boxer did nothing, but it's not the whole story. It'd be like pretending Mel Gibson was famous for his rants, ignoring what actually put him into the spotlight for the rants to gain attention. Or Charlie Sheen and that couple of movies people sorta liked before he started going all batshit crazy.

But hey, why tell the whole story? I keep forgetting, honesty has no place in the wrestling forum.

On that note, John Cena is an A-List celebrity, the best technical wrestler in the world, and a legit shoot fighter who could take on all comers in MMA.

What? But I really, really want it to be true!

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Tyson WAS a household name 8 years prior. THen He went to jail for rape, and then got out and bit a guys ear off.

The WWE didnt bring him in as a celebrity, they brought him in as a CONTROVERSIAL celebrity. And thye brought him in to the biggest show of the year for 3 million.

I just dont see it as a huge step down to have SNooki at raw. I cannot wait to see her fat ass look horrible on Raw.
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Is this really 115 posts arguing about celebrities?

Jesus fucking christ.
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Snooki is really, really famous. What else is there to argue?
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And how anybody who posts in this forum can get up on their pedestal and complain about the state of society is beyond me.
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I have never seen a full episode of Jersey Shore, yet I know who all the characters are. Snooki is one of the most recognizable celebrities they have had with this guest host thing.

Deal with it.
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I don't understand why so many posters here feel like because they don't like someone, they have to argue against everything about that person including blatantly obvious facts. Hulk Hogan wasn't important, Snooki isn't famous. Who gives a shit? Are these the arguments that you use to develop your opinions of the world? If so, please go get yourself sterilized so you don't infect anyone else.
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I can actually agree with that. For some reason society see something in her.
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