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Old 04-26-2011, 01:47 AM   #321
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If they had spent two hours talking about that elimination and then didn't follow up, then yes. You would be 100% right.

But, shockingly, you're not.
So just so we're clear, you hate all shows where the main character has a conflict and solves that conflict right before the show ends?
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Old 04-26-2011, 01:47 AM   #322
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Old 04-26-2011, 01:48 AM   #323
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So how is this different
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I'm gonna hold compete judgment on the draft till the supplementary picks tomorrow but I think Cena moving back was the right move. Predictable yes but the right move. You can't have the Rock on Raw next week and no Cena there to hype Mania. Lord only knows next time we see the Rock on WWE TV so he needed to be there. As other have said, as soon as Orton went to SD! there was no way to have both him and Cena move.
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And according to everyone here, Cena going back to Raw was what everyone expected.
Yeah, which is where the redundancy comes in -- why promise positive change and then not deliver? It's fucking stupid. It's not Jack Bauer saving the world from another crisis -- it's promoting and building an idea, and then not following through.

It's nothing. Nothing good, nothing really tragically bad. Just a fucking waste.
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I'm gonna hold compete judgment on the draft till the supplementary picks tomorrow but I think Cena moving back was the right move. Predictable yes but the right move. You can't have the Rock on Raw next week and no Cena there to hype Mania. Lord only knows next time we see the Rock on WWE TV so he needed to be there. As other have said, as soon as Orton went to SD! there was no way to have both him and Cena move.
Oh, of course Cena being on RAW is the right move. But you know what would have been even better? Not moving him to SmackDown! in the first place.
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Personally, I didn't like it. I felt like they could've more properly filled their time instead of playing some odd practical joke. I'm not going to lose sleep over it or anything but it did seem rather pointless.
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Yeah, which is where the redundancy comes in -- why promise positive change and then not deliver? It's fucking stupid. It's not Jack Bauer saving the world from another crisis -- it's promoting and building an idea, and then not following through.

It's nothing. Nothing good, nothing really tragically bad. Just a fucking waste.
Except the Raw announcers spent the entire episode of Raw talking about how bad it was for Raw. That was a crisis for the show.
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So just so we're clear, you hate all shows where the main character has a conflict and solves that conflict right before the show ends?
Yeah, you're right. Because we don't like seeing someone drafted multiple times in one night, ultimately leading to no change or development, we must not like any show in the history of television.
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Old 04-26-2011, 01:54 AM   #330
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Old 04-26-2011, 01:55 AM   #331
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Yeah, you're right. Because we don't like seeing someone drafted multiple times in one night, ultimately leading to no change or development, we must not like any show in the history of television.
If you didn't like it, that's fine. There are many reasons not to like it. Personally I didn't think it was very compelling tv.

But that's a lot different than being an overly analytical prick about story structure.
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What? The whole story was that Raw lost their top two stars and they were fucked. Then at the end everything worked out and the hero was back.
is blatantly untrue. That wasn't the story. The story was that the entire face of the company had changed. That Friday nights were about to get a big shake-up and John Cena was returning to the show where he first became famous but has been away from for six years.

There were no odds to overcome. RAW wasn't "fucked." They got Rey Mysterio with the second pick, the same Rey Mysterio who is the second-biggest merch mover on the roster and a former multiple-time world champion. They later got Alberto Del Rio, co-number-one contender for the World Heavyweight Title and Big Show current co-holder of the Tag Team Titles and - oh, yeah! - a former multiple-time WWE and World Champion (plus WCW, ECW...). There's no crisis.

It was "John Cena is going to revolutionize the other brand! You can't miss Friday Night SmackDown! Oh, wait, yes you can. He's back. Never mind. Ha ha. Whoops."
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Except the Raw announcers spent the entire episode of Raw talking about how bad it was for Raw. That was a crisis for the show.
Yeah, and we're saying it sucked and was pointless and was kind of a waste of a draft.
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Because:



is blatantly untrue. That wasn't the story. The story was that the entire face of the company had changed. That Friday nights were about to get a big shake-up and John Cena was returning to the show where he first became famous but has been away from for six years.

There were no odds to overcome. RAW wasn't "fucked." They got Rey Mysterio with the second pick, the same Rey Mysterio who is the second-biggest merch mover on the roster and a former multiple-time world champion. They later got Alberto Del Rio, co-number-one contender for the World Heavyweight Title and Big Show current co-holder of the Tag Team Titles and - oh, yeah! - a former multiple-time WWE and World Champion (plus WCW, ECW...). There's no crisis.

It was "John Cena is going to revolutionize the other brand! You can't miss Friday Night SmackDown! Oh, wait, yes you can. He's back. Never mind. Ha ha. Whoops."
Why can't it be both? It would have been a good thing for Smackdown. But you were watching Raw. And on the show you were watching, it was bad.
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Because:

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is blatantly untrue. That wasn't the story. The story was that the entire face of the company had changed. That Friday nights were about to get a big shake-up and John Cena was returning to the show where he first became famous but has been away from for six years.

There were no odds to overcome. RAW wasn't "fucked." They got Rey Mysterio with the second pick, the same Rey Mysterio who is the second-biggest merch mover on the roster and a former multiple-time world champion. They later got Alberto Del Rio, co-number-one contender for the World Heavyweight Title and Big Show current co-holder of the Tag Team Titles and - oh, yeah! - a former multiple-time WWE and World Champion (plus WCW, ECW...). There's no crisis.

It was "John Cena is going to revolutionize the other brand! You can't miss Friday Night SmackDown! Oh, wait, yes you can. He's back. Never mind. Ha ha. Whoops."
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Yeah, and we're saying it sucked and was pointless and was kind of a waste of a draft.
Ugggggggggggggggggggggggh how was it a waste of the draft? They pick and choose who goes where. If they didn't want to move many people then they don't have to. There aren't a set amount of picks and moves. How could it possibly be a waste when it wasn't taking anything else's place?
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Why can't it be both? It would have been a good thing for Smackdown. But you were watching Raw. And on the show you were watching, it was bad.
It could have been both. That also would have been better writing.

But it wasn't both. There is no brand rivalry anymore. Just because something is good for SmackDown doesn't mean it has to be bad for Raw, and that wasn't the story they were telling tonight.
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Why can't it be both? It would have been a good thing for Smackdown. But you were watching Raw. And on the show you were watching, it was bad.
The emphasis is all wrong. There's a time and a place, Supreme.
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It could have been both. That also would have been better writing.

But it wasn't both. There is no brand rivalry anymore. Just because something is good for SmackDown doesn't mean it has to be bad for Raw, and that wasn't the story they were telling tonight.
What? They have a PPV dedicated to the brand rivalry. They wrestled matches against each other. The announcers were talking shit to each other. They're clearly still pushing the brand rivalry. That is not debatable at all.
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The emphasis is all wrong. There's a time and a place, Supreme.
And who picks that? You?
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What? They have a PPV dedicated to the brand rivalry. They wrestled matches against each other. The announcers were talking shit to each other. They're clearly still pushing the brand rivalry. That is not debatable at all.
Yeah, but Bragging Rights and the draft are the only two nights out of the year where the split matters. The rest of the year, guys are showing up on the other show, interacting positively with guys from the other show, referencing things that happened on the other show...

They pushed the brand rivalry tonight. And this is the last we'll hear of it until it's time to build up to Bragging Rights.
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Ugggggggggggggggggggggggh how was it a waste of the draft? They pick and choose who goes where. If they didn't want to move many people then they don't have to. There aren't a set amount of picks and moves. How could it possibly be a waste when it wasn't taking anything else's place?
This doesn't even make sense.

"How was it a waste of a draft?"

Because John Cena replaced John Cena. If you can't see some error in that syntax, I can't help you.

"They pick and choose who goes where?"

Yeah, and they picked John Cena...wait, no they didn't.

"If they didn't want to move many people then they don't have to."

No, they don't. No one's complaining about the number of people they moved, Supreme. There, there.

"There aren't a set amount of picks and moves."

No, there aren't...good talking point for another time, I guess?

"How can it possibly be a waste when it isn't taking anything else's place?"

I guess this is where I get really lost. When you say "it," are you still referring to the draft? I'm going to assume so. The draft can be a waste when NO ONE GETS FUCKING DRAFTED!!!! There you go. And yeah, I know people did get moved and such, but when you spend 40 minutes to get to one, and then he's like "Nah, not drafted actually, guys," then it's a waste of time. That time could have been used to build up John Cena's, I dunno, fucking WWE Title match coming up within the week?
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...He should change his name to R-Lie...

...you know, 'cause he's heel and stuff...

The way he attacked Morrison was crazy...he would attack him, then hug him...then attack him...then hug him...

...it's like those abusive husbands who tell their wives "You're a ho, a bitch, I fucking hate you, you no good motherfucker", and slaps her...then he hugs her and goes like "I love you...see what you make me do?"
she shouldnt have left the kitchen...
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Yeah, but Bragging Rights and the draft are the only two nights out of the year where the split matters. The rest of the year, guys are showing up on the other show, interacting positively with guys from the other show, referencing things that happened on the other show...

They pushed the brand rivalry tonight. And this is the last we'll hear of it until it's time to build up to Bragging Rights.
Imagine that, something in professional wrestling only being relevant when it suits the current story or situation.
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Again Noid, it didn't happen how YOU wanted it to, so you're mad. It made perfect sense, storyline wise.
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What? They have a PPV dedicated to the brand rivalry. They wrestled matches against each other. The announcers were talking shit to each other. They're clearly still pushing the brand rivalry. That is not debatable at all.
They push it maybe two nights a year. Do you actually watch, or do you just enjoy trolling?

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And who picks that? You?
What? No, I don't pick that. I guess that means that all things should be terrible? Is that your point? You're making less and less sense to me as this goes on. I miss the days of feuding with KK.
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Wow glad I missed the drat. I read the results sounds like a meh show. What a stupid gimmick with Cena (if you wanna keep him on Raw how about you just keep him on Raw don't draft and then redraft that's just stupid and a waste of time, waste of two draft picks, yes it's fake but the show is built around the draft way to make the first and last pick pointless)

Who is the big heel on Smackdown with ADR gone? Barrett? God I hope so lol
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If there was more movement between the brands tonight I would not be so irked by the Cena thing. Because of the bait and switch, we only had six draft picks tonight which is really kind of lame.

You know what I realized during this whole process though? How the WWE royalyl screwed their roster with WrestleMania season.

There are so few credible main eventers right now it's kind of scary. As some have said, Cody Rhodes right now is your #1 heel. And who can you elevate or move there? CM Punk? The Miz?

The organization HAD some stars that could have made a move or two that could have been moved into main event roles, but the WWE screwed the pooch.

The two I'm looking at are not surprisingly Wade Barrett and Sheamus.

These two guys were part of the main event scene in the WWE until they decided in the last minute to completely derail their momentum and progress so they could have Taker vs. HHH at WrestleMaina. Well that's just super.

While both guys are holding mid card belts, the two have been booked as jobbers since December. And to make it even better, HHH AND Taker are both off of TV while these two guys are jobbing it up.

Sheamus of six months ago could easily have gone to Smackdown and feuded with Christian, Orton and Kane. Today, he doesn't even seem close to that level. The same for Barrett. Six months ago, he's going over Cena at Survivor Series. Tonight he jobs to Mysterio in five minutes.

Then you get other wrestlers like Daniel Bryan and Drew McIntyre, two guys who has pretty much disappeared despite being very good wrestlers.

You also have a crop of guys like Kofi Kingston, R-Truth, John Morrison and Jack Swagger who they keep in a tweener role who are too big for a mid card belt, but not good enough to main event.

It seems they're trying to bring up Morrison and Truth now, but how about the other two? They could absolutely use Swagger right now to move up the ladder on Smackdown.

The WWE needs to repair the damage they did to their up and comers from December-April. If they can book as smartly as they did from late 09-10, then they might be ok. If not, well, then, I guess we can get excited for the same 8 guys feuding with each other until next year.
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Imagine that, something in professional wrestling only being relevant when it suits the current story or situation.
Yeah, and it kinda sucks when something completely upsets that, right? That's right, kids -- inconsistency is a good thing.
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Seems pretty stupid to hype a guy's debut on RAW for a month only to move him to SD a couple weeks later. Might as well just have debuted him on SD
they hyped him on SD too, the week he debuted on raw he even debuted on SD as well...
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Wow glad I missed the drat read the results sounds like a meh show. What a stupid gimmick with Cena (if you wanna keep him on Raw how about keep him on Raw don't draft and then redraft thaat's just stupid and a waste of time)

Who is the big heel on Smackdown with ADR gone? Barrett? God I hope so lol
GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR HIPPIE NERD IN'ERNET THINKING!

It'd be swell if it were Barrett, but Mark Henry seems to be getting the immediate push out the gate. You also have Cody Rhodes on SmackDown!, who with another strong victory against Rey Mysterio at Extreme Rules, could really become a solid main event threat.
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Sin Cara moving makes sense. He can be edited on SmackDown!, he will be exposed to a larger Hispanic audience, and he's already got the rub from Cena on RAW. It's sort of like how Christian was on RAW for a little bit after ECW folded, but got drafted to SmackDown!.

But what would have been absolutely brilliant is moving Sin Cara to SmackDown!, but then moving him back before he even gets to do anything. It'd be a huge crisis for him to solve.
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They push it maybe two nights a year. Do you actually watch, or do you just enjoy trolling?



What? No, I don't pick that. I guess that means that all things should be terrible? Is that your point? You're making less and less sense to me as this goes on. I miss the days of feuding with KK.
I like how you're explaining your points less and less and then calling me the troll. It's cute.

Again, if you didn't like it because it wasn't compelling tv, fine. That's perfectly reasonable. But if you're just gonna play armchair booker critic and act like you didn't like it because it didn't make sense and something is wrong with the story structure, then you're just an arrogant whiny prick.
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And please, someone explain to me how it was a waste of time? I do not understand this complaint at all.
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I like how you're explaining your points less and less and then calling me the troll. It's cute.

Again, if you didn't like it because it wasn't compelling tv, fine. That's perfectly reasonable. But if you're just gonna play armchair booker critic and act like you didn't like it because it didn't make sense and something is wrong with the story structure, then you're just an arrogant whiny prick.
I wasn't playing armchair booker critic. You brought up television structure, homie, not me. You can call me arrogant, whiny and a troll for thinking that something that was advertised and then didn't happen is a waste of time. I'd rather be that person than someone going against the grain of popular opinions and trying to grasp at straws to just stay in an inter-fight.
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