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Old 04-09-2012, 04:21 AM   #41
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I dunno, I'm far more tired of Cena's "underdog" and "never give up" shtick that he's been doing for about 7 years straight than The Rock's shtick that I hadn't seen regularly in like 6 tears.
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Old 04-09-2012, 04:24 AM   #43
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I'm not one of those "Cena sux" guys either. I've really enjoyed his in-ring work ever since his return at the Rumble a few years ago, but his character is not something I feel I can ever get behind and cheer for.
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Because not everyone still gets hooked by Rock's tired old schtick. And as a person, Cena comes off as a nice guy who gets shit on by so many grown men that it actually endears me more to the character. These two things mixed with the fact that he came off as the underdog to a guy way more over than him and Rock came off as a prick made me cheer for Cena over The Rock.
We've been throug this before but I never saw how Cena was the underdog and how The Rock was "the bad guy" in the whole feud. Cena talked shit about Rock to start the whole thing off and they exchanged words and finishers for over a year. Cena was more insulting and personal with The Rock until Rock started doing his shtick in March, and even then he always says that he respected John Cena but just didn't like him while Cena outright said "I DON'T RESPECT YOU, ROCK!"
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I can see how The Rock's shtick can come off as cheesy sometimes, but I can't really hold that against him when I remember shit like this
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Yes, and it was getting old 6 years ago. Hogan's schtick hasn't been seen by WWE's audience in years either. That wouldn't make it any less corny. Nostalgia only goes so far with me.
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We've been throug this before but I never saw how Cena was the underdog and how The Rock was "the bad guy" in the whole feud. Cena talked shit about Rock to start the whole thing off and they exchanged words and finishers for over a year. Cena was more insulting and personal with The Rock until Rock started doing his shtick in March, and even then he always says that he respected John Cena but just didn't like him while Cena outright said "I DON'T RESPECT YOU, ROCK!"
Also, didn't Cena FU The Rock a few weeks before WrestleMania XXVII which is why Rock cost Cena his match with Miz?

I don't see how Rock was the 'jerk" in all this when Cena was the one who "started it"
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We've been throug this before but I never saw how Cena was the underdog and how The Rock was "the bad guy" in the whole feud. Cena talked shit about Rock to start the whole thing off and they exchanged words and finishers for over a year. Cena was more insulting and personal with The Rock until Rock started doing his shtick in March, and even then he always says that he respected John Cena but just didn't like him while Cena outright said "I DON'T RESPECT YOU, ROCK!"
We have been over it before. WrestleMania 27 and Survivor Series. Shit-talk is whatever. Look at the end of those two PPVs though and see who looks like a spotlight hog/bully. This is what I keep saying and it somehow gets lost every time. lol
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I agree with Juan that his ring work has improved over the last couple of years, but he has had me literally pissed at the end of a ppv. I know the single stupidest legitimate finish I've ever seen outside of WCW was Cena beating John Cena with duct tape and then he comes out the next night as is all "LOL I'M A GOOD GUY!!" Cena also ruined WrestleMania 23 and that was because he still hasn't learned how to sell in a way that makes you forget this shit is fake.
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I can see how The Rock's shtick can come off as cheesy sometimes, but I can't really hold that against him when I remember shit like this
lol. Listen, both men are guilty of corniness.

I'm just saying I prefer the "now" corniness to the "nostalgic" corniness. I don't long for the attitude era simply because I remember it fondly. There comes a time to move on. And Rock's stuff is really 15 years ago.
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We have been over it before. WrestleMania 27 and Survivor Series. Shit-talk is whatever. Look at the end of those two PPVs though and see who looks like a spotlight hog/bully. This is what I keep saying and it somehow gets lost every time. lol
Cena is the one who always came out during The Rock's time and talked shit in a borderline worked shoot style and then left walking up the ramp smirking like " LOL SEE YA LATER ASSHOLE LAWL"
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I'll give WWE or maybe even Cena some credit tho, I never thought I'd see so many people in the IWC actually cheering for Cena.
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Cena is the one who always came out during The Rock's time and talked shit in a borderline worked shoot style and then left walking up the ramp smirking like " LOL SEE YA LATER ASSHOLE LAWL"
By always, you mean that "notes on the wrist"/"Keep trending" thing? He can't help it that Rock can't shoot to save his life in a reality based feud.

And I can't stress those PPVs enough.

If you can watch the end of Survivor Series with Cena trying to leave and give Rock the spotlight and then Rock calling him back in the ring to Rock Bottom him and continue celebrating as Cena sells it and then calmly walks away and NOT think Rock came off as a HUGE dick, I don't know what to say. lol

And costing him the title at WrestleMania against a heel in the main event is also a pretty heel/dickish move.
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They were funny and got over. The whole point was that Cena was out of touch with the "real fans" and The Rock even after being gone for years is still " The People's Champion" and knows what the people want and how to "bring it" to the millions (and millions).
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And costing him the title at WrestleMania against a heel in the main event is also a pretty heel/dickish move.
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Also, didn't Cena FU The Rock a few weeks before WrestleMania XXVII which is why Rock cost Cena his match with Miz?

I don't see how Rock was the 'jerk" in all this when Cena was the one who "started it"
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By always, you mean that "notes on the wrist"/"Keep trending" thing? He can't help it that Rock can't shoot to save his life in a reality based feud.

And I can't stress those PPVs enough.

If you can watch the end of Survivor Series with Cena trying to leave and give Rock the spotlight and then Rock calling him back in the ring to Rock Bottom him and continue celebrating as Cena sells it and then calmly walks away and NOT think Rock came off as a HUGE dick, I don't know what to say. lol
That is the whole thing. Cena kept making this personal and was disingenuous to The Rock and so The Rock gave him a couple of fuck you Rock Bottoms. I still believe they made The Rock hold back some so as to not completely shit on Cena.
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This might be like the 4th time Juan and I have been on the same page.
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At the end of the day, if the WWE wanted Cena and The Rock to get 50/50 reaction, they succeeded, because regardless of the live crowd, everyone I've talked to about it seem to be pretty split about it.
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They were funny and got over. The whole point was that Cena was out of touch with the "real fans" and The Rock even after being gone for years is still " The People's Champion" and knows what the people want and how to "bring it" to the millions (and millions).
People are stuck in the past and would rather hear catchphrases they remember than move on. Plus the guy connects with live crowds like crazy. I don't fault them for going along with him. It makes for a fun show. He's good at it.

I'm just saying Cena was speaking the truth as he and a lot of other people saw it, Rock couldn't really keep up on the "shoot" stuff and it just came off as "Rock being Rock". Nothing new. Same old stuff that makes people go crazy.
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People are stuck in the past and would rather hear catchphrases they remember than move on. Plus the guy connects with live crowds like crazy. I don't fault them for going along with him. It makes for a fun show. He's good at it.

I'm just saying Cena was speaking the truth as he and a lot of other people saw it, Rock couldn't really keep up on the "shoot" stuff and it just came off as "Rock being Rock". Nothing new. Same old stuff that makes people go crazy.
Why would The Rock come back and be completely different from what he's been when the whole draw of him returning was THE ROCK IS BACK! If anything, he was more Dwayne than he was The Rock especially when compared to his stuff prior to 2002.
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I really don't remember the "Rock Bottom/AA tradeoff" or who did what first on Raw. If Cena did AA him first, costing him the title at WM as opposed to doing it after was still dickish but okay...

Doesn't explain Survivor Series. I mean, come on. Regardless of ANYTHING that happened leading up to that, DID YOU NOT SEE THAT ENDING!? lol
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Also, a cliche Rock is still better than a reinvigorated Cena because one at their worst is still better than the other at their best.
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Why would The Rock come back and be completely different from what he's been when the whole draw of him returning was THE ROCK IS BACK! If anything, he was more Dwayne than he was The Rock especially when compared to his stuff prior to 2002.
I didn't say he should have been different. People ate it up because it was the old Rock and people love nostalgia. Like I said, I wasn't hooked by it though. It was old shit, I'd seen it before and it was tired and corny now with a couple more shitty catchphrases and twitter around now so he could say "I'M SO COOL, THIS THING I JUST SAID IS TRENDING NOW RIGHT ABOVE 'DREW MCINTYRE' AND 'ANAL BLEEDING'!!!"
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Old 04-09-2012, 04:47 AM   #65
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I really don't remember the "Rock Bottom/AA tradeoff" or who did what first on Raw. If Cena did AA him first, costing him the title at WM as opposed to doing it after was still dickish but okay...

Doesn't explain Survivor Series. I mean, come on. Regardless of ANYTHING that happened leading up to that, DID YOU NOT SEE THAT ENDING!? lol
Cena came off like a disingenuous twat. He did his little smirk and started walking up the ramp trying to steal the show through being unusuaklly humble aka Warrior/Hogan.
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Also, a cliche Rock is still better than a reinvigorated Cena because one at their worst is still better than the other at their best.
Like Juan said, there's a shitload of people who would disagree with you because I and I know a lot of other people who were all about The Rock when he came back started siding with Cena based solely on their promos.
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I didn't say he should have been different. People ate it up because it was the old Rock and people love nostalgia. Like I said, I wasn't hooked by it though. It was old shit, I'd seen it before and it was tired and corny now with a couple more shitty catchphrases and twitter around now so he could say "I'M SO COOL, THIS THING I JUST SAID IS TRENDING NOW RIGHT ABOVE 'DREW MCINTYRE' AND 'ANAL BLEEDING'!!!"
And it worked. Whatever random shit he said started trending because he is a bigger star than Cena ever thought about being because he has a connection with the people like nobody else in the business which was part of his motivation for fighting Cena: Cena talked shit about him leaving, the people were tired of (people's champ fighting for the people), and he wanted to prove he is the absolute biggest star in the history of the business.
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Cena came off like a disingenuous twat. He did his little smirk and started walking up the ramp trying to steal the show through being unusuaklly humble aka Warrior/Hogan.
lol. Wait, what? Really?
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Hadn't engaged in a good old "rasslin" debate in a while. Thank you wwf-fan
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And it worked. Whatever random shit he said started trending because he is a bigger star than Cena ever thought about being because he has a connection with the people like nobody else in the business which was part of his motivation for fighting Cena: Cena talked shit about him leaving, the people were tired of (people's champ fighting for the people), and he wanted to prove he is the absolute biggest star in the history of the business.
DREW MCINTYRE AND ANAL BLEEDING! lol. I said those things for a reason. If Cena had come out and said "Bleebady bloobady bloo... MAKE IT TREND!" You don't think it would have trended? EVERY LITTLE FUCKING THING TRENDS DURING RAW. lol

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Old 04-09-2012, 04:55 AM   #71
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I'm not saying Rock isn't a way bigger star than Cena but did you really try to use Rock getting stuff to trend during Raw as something of note??? Like he's the only one who could do it??? Alex Riley trended on Raw multiple times last year.
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Anal Bleeding and Drew McIntyre just got over on their own, The Rock purposefully said things to be put on Twitter and he has such control over the people (all of them, not just kiddos and MILFs) that they did it.

Also here is the video from Survivor Series:

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Cena is being a fucking smartass and starts talking shit to The Rock.
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I'm not saying Rock isn't a way bigger star than Cena but did you really try to use Rock getting stuff to trend during Raw as something of note??? Like he's the only one who could do it??? Alex Riley trended on Raw multiple times last year.
The Rock came out and said some of the most ridiculous shit he could come up with and got it fucking over. He even got Cena a fucking endorsement deal with Fruity Pebbles. John Cena didn't make Duct Tape a corporate sponsor.
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Rock purposely saying something doesn't make it any more amazing. Like I said, Cena could come out and say "Rock is poopy" and it would trend. 100% without a doubt it would trend. EVERYTHING trends on Raw. You actually made me hate that whole thing he does more by making me realize how he tried to act like he was doing something impressive when EVERYTHING TRENDS DURING RAW. lol
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Apparently during the last Raw of 2011 "So Kane" trended. I don't even know why the word "so" would trend before Kane. It makes no sense that so many people would start their sentences in that specific manner. But it happened. No idea how/why. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't from Rock coming out and saying "So Kane... NOW TRENDING! Not Kane. But 'So Kane'. Like... it might sound like I'm saying 'So... Kane... Now trending' but that's not it. I am literally saying the two words 'So Kane' is currently trending."
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Rock purposely saying something doesn't make it any more amazing. Like I said, Cena could come out and say "Rock is poopy" and it would trend. 100% without a doubt it would trend. EVERYTHING trends on Raw. You actually made me hate that whole thing he does more by making me realize how he tried to act like he was doing something impressive when EVERYTHING TRENDS DURING RAW. lol
What he says is the #1 trend worldwide, everything else just trends. Huge difference.
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There have been a ton of #1 trends worldwide. Brodus Clay has trended #1 worldwide during Raw.
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And again, I would bet John Cena saying "Rock is poopy" would probably do the same.
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There have been a ton of #1 trends worldwide. Brodus Clay has trended #1 worldwide during Raw.
The Funkasaurus is fucking awesome, and I hope he trends worldwide for generations.

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And again, I would bet John Cena saying "Rock is poopy" would probably do the same.
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, you'd still be wrong.
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And you'd still be basing Rock's popularity on twitter trends on a show that trends regularly without him. lol
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