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Old 05-10-2012, 05:49 PM   #1
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Hmmmm, Daniel Bryan and Cm Punk are franchise players right?
CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan and Lord Tensai in the overrun actually lost viewers – 105,000 for a 2.94 rating. It’s almost impossible to lose viewers in the overrun because you’ve got people tuning into the USA Network for their next show.


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Old 05-10-2012, 05:50 PM   #2
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Funny thing is that I saw this, and thought to myself, "Wonder if Gertner is aware of this?"
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:53 PM   #3
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:55 PM   #4
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TBF, maybe 2 people here have referred to Punk and Bryan as "Franchise Players".
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:57 PM   #6
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TBF, maybe 2 people here have referred to Punk and Bryan as "Franchise Players".
I've seen multiple people refer to these two at least as main eventers. Which they are not.
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I've seen multiple people refer to these two at least as main eventers. Which they are not.
They obviously are. They outpopped DX after all.
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TBF, maybe 2 people here have referred to Punk and Bryan as "Franchise Players".
Blowjobs are blowjobs, whether it's 2, or 20.
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Old 05-10-2012, 06:56 PM   #10
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:14 PM   #11
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And the Rock's return match at survivor series did horrible numbers so he must not be a "Main Eventer" either.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:15 PM   #13
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And the Rock's return match at survivor series did horrible numbers so he must not be a "Main Eventer" either.
How'd Wrestlemania go
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:20 PM   #14
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April 30
Daniel Bryan vs. Jerry Lawler in the final match lost 198,000 viewers.

April 16
The Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston match lost 603,000 viewers for a 2.84 quarter rating.

March 20
Daniel Bryan vs. Zack Ryder lost 418,000 viewers.

Feb 27
Punk vs. Daniel Bryan lost 289,000 viewers.

Feb 20
Daniel Bryan vs. Santino Marella lost 932,000 viewers.

Feb 6
Big Show vs. Daniel Bryan lost 508,000 viewers.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:24 PM   #15
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Punk's proven to be good for business so the argument is invalid on him. MoFo's data if correct shows that if anything it's Daniel Bryan who's the cause here, though Tensai probably didn't help any.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:25 PM   #16
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To be fair any 'new' star is going to lose viewers at this point though. WWE hasn't built anyone up as a real deal in ages so it's no wonder people don't take them seriously.
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I hate how we look deep into the "numbers" to determine our opinions on wrestling matches/segments.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:29 PM   #18
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Blakeamus is right. Back in the day, before all these numbers were available to the fans we wouldn't even be having a conversation this stupid. Honestly I almost miss the days when we had to just go by what WWE let us know.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:34 PM   #19
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:34 PM   #20
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I watch Raw on Youtube specifically so I can skip Daniel Bryan stuff, its just funny to laugh at how many ppl hate him though.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:38 PM   #21
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Yes, God forbid that we can't have an opinion without being influenced by what the "numbers" show.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:41 PM   #22
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It's a friggen business. Of course you have to go by numbers.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:55 PM   #23
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I can go with your opinion of how you feel towards Daniel Bryan as a worker, but when I see people make their opinions by "going by the numbers", I wonder if the person is really a fan of "wrestling" or a fan of the ratings. They seemed too concern on what they scooped up from information.

It's a business and numbers are important...YES! But let VINCE MCMAHON be concern of his BUSINESS. Let's enjoy wrestling without spoiling ourselves over numbers to determine our views on the product!
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I remember reading there was a RAW sometime in 97 headlined by Steve Austin vs. Undertaker, which was the lowest rated RAW at the time. Besides, it's not like Cena is such a huge ratings draw. I wish somebody could pull up the numbers during Cena's first year on top. He sells shitloads of merch, sure, but so does Punk.
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Plus, JBL was such a ratings draw too, wasn't he Gertner?
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Old 05-10-2012, 08:04 PM   #27
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It's a friggen business. Of course you have to go by numbers.
Yes it is, but I'm not involved in the business so I don't have to go by (or give a shit about) the numbers.
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Plus, JBL was such a ratings draw too, wasn't he Gertner?
Never said he was. He's my favourite wrestler. I'm just not a fan boy who spew bull shit.
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Yes it is, but I'm not involved in the business so I don't have to go by (or give a shit about) the numbers.
You do when people claim that Daniel Bryan is this huge sensation, should be main eventing, some people saying he's a "franchise player", when it's completely obvious that he isn't a ratings draw at all. You shouldn't be losing viewers in your main events.
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Okay is your opinion of Daniel Bryan influenced by the "numbers" Gertner?
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Ok, well, even if Punk isn't a "franchise player" (who really is these days though, tbf), he's still a credible main eventer, and it didn't take him several years of being forced down everybody's throats as a big deal to get there (I'm looking at you Orton). I can see why the overhyping by the IWC of certain guys is annoying, but to act like he doesn't have any appeal is ludicrous. Daniel Bryan, on the other hand, is a great talent, but definitely not franchise material. He's a guy that is credible in a top spot when they need him, but not someone who draws big money. He can have a good match with anybody and make them look good. You need a few guys like that hovering around.
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Ok, well, even if Punk isn't a "franchise player" (who really is these days though, tbf)
since you're asking:

John Cena
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I hate how we look deep into the "numbers" to determine our opinions on wrestling matches/segments.
'Course, that's not what's being done here. At worst, it's using the numbers to justify existing feelings.
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...and it didn't take him several years of being forced down everybody's throats as a big deal to get there (I'm looking at you Orton)
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Orton being shoved down people's throats that is
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That pole doesn't look capable of catching that fish. Something doesn't smell right here.
definitely the fish, bets he stinks up close
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Old 05-10-2012, 08:19 PM   #40
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Okay is your opinion of Daniel Bryan influenced by the "numbers" Gertner?
It's justifying my opinion
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