Should Bret have lost @ Survivor Series?

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon No, he didn't want to leave the company without losing the title. He was willing to job it the next night on Raw. And Bret HAD CREATIVE CONTROL for the last 30 days of his contract, so he had every right to refuse the job. Like I said, stupid move on Vince's part. And How many times had HBK forfeited the title back then? How many times did Shawn get out of jobbing the title? HBK may have never wanted to leave the company, but he sure did never want to ever lose a fk'n match for chrit's sake.

Bret and his creative control... "Oh, I don't want to Job in my home town... Boo-Hoo "
No, it wasn't his home town. It was in Montreal. That's like Hulk Hogan not wanting to drop the title to someone in front of his home town when he's at MSG.
Yeah, HBK forfeited the title many times, but my question is, since I didn't have the internet in '97 and before that, how many times did he really hurt himself? Every consider some of this is legit? Not every bump is real, but how many were fake? I don't mean to sound like a smart ass, but please, give me numbers to prove he ducked out of jobbing the title every time.

Originally Posted by Always450 Bret and his creative control... "Oh, I don't want to Job in my home town... Boo-Hoo " No, it wasn't his home town. It was in Montreal. That's like Hulk Hogan not wanting to drop the title to someone in front of his home town when he's at MSG. Yeah, HBK forfeited the title many times, but my question is, since I didn't have the internet in '97 and before that, how many times did he really hurt himself? Every consider some of this is legit? Not every bump is real, but how many were fake? I don't mean to sound like a smart ass, but please, give me numbers to prove he ducked out of jobbing the title every time.

HBK I don't recall HBK ever foreiting due to legit injury.

It's always because he's being a whiny bitch and pissing everyone off. Didn't he even quit (not just foreit, I mean QUIT) over having to job the IC Title, thus leading to that "Razor Ramon isn't the real champ" deal?

You must be a HUGE HUGE HBK mark. I need Rob Harvey in here. He'll give you a better explanation. HBK jobbed the IC Title once, too Jannetty, which was a very short reign anyway. Michales wasn't a real di** yet though. He won the title twice more and didn't job it to anyone. He was stripped of it once, then forfeited it the next time. Michales won the World TITLE at Wrestlemania 12, he jobbed it to Sid sometime after, but he knew he would be getting it back, which he did at Royal Rumble 97. Then Michales was suppossed to lose the Title to Bret at Mania 13, but he pulled out because of a "KNEE INJURY" On Bret's shoot interview he says a lot of the boys thought the injury was a bunch of bull because Michales came back in no time. Bret was willing to drop the Title back to Michaels if Bret would of won at Mania, but HBK didn't want to lose to anyone by this point. Then Bret won the title at Summerslam (where HBK was still in the main event) and HBK won it back at Survivor Series.

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon You must be a HUGE HUGE HBK mark. I need Rob Harvey in here. He'll give you a better explanation. HBK jobbed the IC Title once, too Jannetty, which was a very short reign anyway. Michales wasn't a real di** yet though. He won the title twice more and didn't job it to anyone. He was stripped of it once, then forfeited it the next time. Michales won the World TITLE at Wrestlemania 12, he jobbed it to Sid sometime after, but he knew he would be getting it back, which he did at Royal Rumble 97. Then Michales was suppossed to lose the Title to Bret at Mania 13, but he pulled out because of a "KNEE INJURY" On Bret's shoot interview he says a lot of the boys thought the injury was a bunch of bull because Michales came back in no time. Bret was willing to drop the Title back to Michaels if Bret would of won at Mania, but HBK didn't want to lose to anyone by this point. Then Bret won the title at Summerslam (where HBK was still in the main event) and HBK won it back at Survivor Series.

Exactly, no legit injuries involved.

And would someone answer my original question? Has Bret EVER beaten Michaels at all?