So if Foley wasn't supposed to fall through the top of the cell

[Swiss Ultimate]

Mick Foley: Mark, after that second bump tonight I want you to promise me on your dear wife Sara's life not to tell anyone that we planned for me to fall through the cage and get a concussion. Also make sure the steel chair falls onto my face and knocks a tooth out.

Mark Calloway: Only if Terry promises as well.

Terry Funk: Well, that goes without saying.

Mark Calloway: Fine. I promise to always present the second bump, which we don't even know you'll get to have because of the seriousness of the first bump in which I throw you off the steel cage, possible onto the teleprompters on the spanish announce table, as a pure accident despite the fact that we totally planned it. We'll all just blame it on bad rigging or something.

All Together (chanting): For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hasney I mean come on, people have actually climbed down in matches before. It's like asking "If JFK didn't plan to be shot, how else was he going to end his car ride?"

I still love this post.

[CSL]

Originally Posted by DTTS So your proof that he's lying is because sometimes people lie. Gotcha.

Originally Posted by DTTS I think some people want to believe so badly that they're in the know that they invent controversy where there is none. It can't be that Mick Foley legitimately could have died in the ring that night because of an unplanned accident, it has to be that it was all part of wrestling magic. Wink wink.

Originally Posted by DTTS I think Mark Calloway's words should be taken as proof. I don't see the motivation behind lying about this.

Originally Posted by DTTS He doesn't ever say it was planned. Terry Funk, Mick Foley and Undertaker all say it wasn't supposed to happen that way. "The cage ripping and giving way was a complete surprise to both of us, and it did a lot of damage." -Mick Foley 2004 "That panel wasn't supposed to break loose." -Mark Calloway 2002 "The props guy didn't rig it properly, so when Undertaker gave him the choke slam, Cactus went right through the roof" -Terry Funk 2006

the concept of kayfabe appears to be completely and utterly lost on you or you have no idea what it really means. Yes, everybody knows it's scripted, especially in this day and age but that doesn't mean it's an open book. Jesus christ, it's blatantly a planned spot, the entire match structure builds up to it for fuck's sake. Do you really think there'd have been the world's weakest looking chokeslam planned AFTER that first bump? That makes as little sense as the your posts right now. Look at how the spot comes about, straight up, grabs him, chokeslam, practically out of nowhere. No thoughts of anything else because it didn't matter, get to the big bump already before you have chance to 8th and 9th guess it and wind up making it even worse. Foley doesn't even come off his feet because he's looking to protect himself and take the safest possible bump through the cage. Next thing you'll be coming in here asking whether Hogan really tore every muscle in his back slamming the 900lb Andre the Giant at WrestleMania.

Originally Posted by Tedious Who the fuck would lie about something like that? What benefit would there be to it?

why the fuck would he be all "yeah, that was planned" if some people think there's a chance it might not have been? Just because the business has been exposed to an unprecedented level over the last 10-15 years doesn't mean that every person inside of it is willing to share every detail anybody might want to know. In fact if anything, it's things like this that are the exact opposite of that, where guys almost get the chance to revel in working somebody. What benefit would there have been for him to not lie about it? You work almost everybody you can as often as possible except for "the boys", it's practically a given right of being in the wrestling business.

Originally Posted by DTTS Mick Foley: Mark, after that second bump tonight I want you to promise me on your dear wife Sara's life not to tell anyone that we planned for me to fall through the cage and get a concussion. Also make sure the steel chair falls onto my face and knocks a tooth out. Mark Calloway: Only if Terry promises as well. Terry Funk: Well, that goes without saying. Mark Calloway: Fine. I promise to always present the second bump, which we don't even know you'll get to have because of the seriousness of the first bump in which I throw you off the steel cage, possible onto the teleprompters on the spanish announce table, as a pure accident despite the fact that we totally planned it. We'll all just blame it on bad rigging or something. All Together (chanting): For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business. For the business.

this may be the stupidest post I have ever seen from you.

[#1-norm-fan]

Originally Posted by CSL Next thing you'll be coming in here asking whether Hogan really tore every muscle in his back slamming the 900lb Andre the Giant at WrestleMania.

Well, Hogan did say it, therefore it's been proven as fact. I mean... what reason would he have to lie???