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[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Damian Rey So why would Daniel Bryan say otherwise in interviews both within and outside the company? CyNick's lame excuse was Bryan was protecting kayfabe, even though speaking about behind the scenes conversations breaks kayfabe. So what reason does Daniel Bryan have to lie about the original pitch he received pertaining to his mania spot?

Honestly, I have no idea. I have no idea if he was protecting kayfabe, or if Daniel Bryan did in fact, feel that way.


What I do know is this: If the WWE actually felt that Bryan was a "B+" player and had no business being anywhere near a main-event, they wouldn't have had him go C-L-E-A-N-L-Y over Cena at Summerslam 2013. Period. There's just no way beating around that bush.


If the WWE really felt that Daniel Bryan was a mid-card performer, and had no intentions of pushing him long term, my best guess is that they would've had Bryan go over Cena in a completely flukey way (i.e. Orton interference?), and then have heel Orton cleanly defeat Daniel Bryan to win the title a month later.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by Heyman Honestly, I have no idea. I have no idea if he was protecting kayfabe, or if Daniel Bryan did in fact, feel that way. What I do know is this: If the WWE actually felt that Bryan was a "B+" player and had no business being anywhere near a main-event, they wouldn't have had him go C-L-E-A-N-L-Y over Cena at Summerslam 2013. Period. There's just no way beating around that bush. If the WWE really felt that Daniel Bryan was a mid-card performer, and had no intentions of pushing him long term, my best guess is that they would've had Bryan go over Cena in a completely flukey way (i.e. Orton interference?), and then have heel Orton cleanly defeat Daniel Bryan to win the title a month later.

Kevin Owens went over John Cena clean and now he's in a middling feud with Ryback after jobbing back cleanly to Cena twice. Bryan certain "got the rub" but it wasn't the kind of positioning fans wanted. They wanted him to be "THE GUY" not some other 50/50 booked guy.

Plus this argument means fuck all anyways.... it's CyNick doing his best ONCE MORE to distract from the actual point. Say they got the Bryan thing right, and it was in the cards all along, that would honest to god be one thing I can think of they got right. They also had Bret Hart win wrestlemania 10 after calling an audible on that, and they proceeded to bungle up his title reign by treating him like a mid carder. Yes, WWE has the capability to do 1 out of every thousand things right, even if they do it in an absolutely horrendous way, and SOME HOW eventually get there. But the other 999 are done pretty badly and it leads to cheap, shoddily done t.v.

In saying that, there's a reason they're the only game in town. They've obviously done a lot of things right along the way, and in certain eras were able to ignite something meaningful. But between those eras and ever since, it's all (minus some shining light) pretty meandering crap. And unfortunately as older wrestling fans, all we have is shitty ring of honor to watch, or we have to watch Japanese wrestling (which I'm not all that into).

Heyman, I believe you'd be able to understand this analogy better than anyone. WWE is like the Toronto Maple Leafs. They are able to put forth an absolutely horrendous product, and not adapt to the current landscape of quality, and still turn a profit. So nothing really changes. And even when it SEEMS thing change, it's only slightly around the corner that the same mistakes will be made, because they don't need to be all that great to turn a profit and to keep making money.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead Kevin Owens went over John Cena clean and now he's in a middling feud with Ryback after jobbing back cleanly to Cena twice. Bryan certain "got the rub" but it wasn't the kind of positioning fans wanted. They wanted him to be "THE GUY" not some other 50/50 booked guy. Plus this argument means fuck all anyways.... it's CyNick doing his best ONCE MORE to distract from the actual point. Say they got the Bryan thing right, and it was in the cards all along, that would honest to god be one thing I can think of they got right. They also had Bret Hart win wrestlemania 10 after calling an audible on that, and they proceeded to bungle up his title reign by treating him like a mid carder. Yes, WWE has the capability to do 1 out of every thousand things right, even if they do it in an absolutely horrendous way, and SOME HOW eventually get there. But the other 999 are done pretty badly and it leads to cheap, shoddily done t.v. In saying that, there's a reason they're the only game in town. They've obviously done a lot of things right along the way, and in certain eras were able to ignite something meaningful. But between those eras and ever since, it's all (minus some shining light) pretty meandering crap. And unfortunately as older wrestling fans, all we have is shitty ring of honor to watch, or we have to watch Japanese wrestling (which I'm not all that into). Heyman, I believe you'd be able to understand this analogy better than anyone. WWE is like the Toronto Maple Leafs. They are able to put forth an absolutely horrendous product, and not adapt to the current landscape of quality, and still turn a profit. So nothing really changes. And even when it SEEMS thing change, it's only slightly around the corner that the same mistakes will be made, because they don't need to be all that great to turn a profit and to keep making money.

I agree with what you're saying Dale, but you guys are also making it sound like it's CyNick's stance that the WWE can't be improved in any shape or form, and that everything they are doing right now is perfect.


I think CyNick is just saying that most fans are actually happy with the current product and that our opinion (IWC) is clearly in the minority. You can't use ratings as a 1:1 indicator since the product is consumed a lot differently in 2015 than say 1999-2005.


Having said all that, I do think the WWE needs to find a way to protect their emerging mid-card talents. Guys like Bray Wyatt, Rusev, Dean Ambrose, Roman Reigns, etc., aren't being maximized in my opinion.