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Old 11-18-2015, 03:42 AM   #1
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The whole HHH reign of terror reeks of him finding excuses to constantly hold off him losing because the next big reason is the right one.

Should lose to RVD? No, wait, we'll lose to Kane. Nope, wait, we'll lose it to Shawn to get it back to me, then I'll lose it on the big show to the new star, Booker. Nope, we've got Goldberg now, it'll mean more to lose to him. But lets do this Nash feud first. Okay, lets do the Goldberg thing. But I should win the Chamber first, THEN lose, because there will be more heat. Then I get it back to put over Benoit at Mania. Orton beats Benoit, HHH immediately kills Orton, and in a fluke mulligan, at last, after four years, loses to Batista, and finally the shit cycle is broken.




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Old 11-18-2015, 08:18 PM   #2
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The whole HHH reign of terror reeks of him finding excuses to constantly hold off him losing because the next big reason is the right one.

Should lose to RVD? No, wait, we'll lose to Kane. Nope, wait, we'll lose it to Shawn to get it back to me, then I'll lose it on the big show to the new star, Booker. Nope, we've got Goldberg now, it'll mean more to lose to him. But lets do this Nash feud first. Okay, lets do the Goldberg thing. But I should win the Chamber first, THEN lose, because there will be more heat. Then I get it back to put over Benoit at Mania. Orton beats Benoit, HHH immediately kills Orton, and in a fluke mulligan, at last, after four years, loses to Batista, and finally the shit cycle is broken.
Are you saying he should have lost to Booker T, RVD, Kane, and Goldberg?

At the end of the day he put over Goldberg for the title. He got it back because Goldberg was a part time guy, and WWE wanted someone full time to carry the belt. Then he put over Benoit clean (multiple times). Yes, he got it back because Benoit was a flop as a headliner. He then singlehandedly made Batista a superstar. He then put over Cena the following year.

I'm curious what more you felt he should have done.
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Old 11-18-2015, 09:35 PM   #3
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Are you saying he should have lost to Booker T, RVD, Kane, and Goldberg?

At the end of the day he put over Goldberg for the title. He got it back because Goldberg was a part time guy, and WWE wanted someone full time to carry the belt. Then he put over Benoit clean (multiple times). Yes, he got it back because Benoit was a flop as a headliner. He then singlehandedly made Batista a superstar. He then put over Cena the following year.

I'm curious what more you felt he should have done.
Listen to his podcast. It's a bunch of dudes who actually know what they are talking about. And actually read what he says and don't put words into his mouth.
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Old 11-18-2015, 10:35 PM   #4
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Listen to his podcast. It's a bunch of dudes who actually know what they are talking about. And actually read what he says and don't put words into his mouth.
I read it, I read everything. It was the same old same old I read somewhere else at the time in 4 point font. Completely unoriginal thoughts.
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Old 11-20-2015, 05:05 AM   #5
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Are you saying he should have lost to Booker T, RVD, Kane, and Goldberg?

At the end of the day he put over Goldberg for the title. He got it back because Goldberg was a part time guy, and WWE wanted someone full time to carry the belt. Then he put over Benoit clean (multiple times). Yes, he got it back because Benoit was a flop as a headliner. He then singlehandedly made Batista a superstar. He then put over Cena the following year.

I'm curious what more you felt he should have done.
No, I'm not saying he should have lost to all of them by any means. I'm saying that he got out of losing when he was planned to lose to all of them, and in the end nobody was elevated of those four because the Goldberg loss came too late, he feuded with HHH the entire time he was champion, and HHH walked away with the belt. Again, the numbers fell during this whole period of time, and Raw needed a new focus, and Triple H wasn't the answer.

And the "they aren't good enough" argument is dead as soon as you say he singlehandedly made Batista, because that is completely correct, he just chose not to do it for those other guys, all of whom had more going for them at the point the feud started than Batista did.
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Old 11-20-2015, 05:24 AM   #6
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No, I'm not saying he should have lost to all of them by any means. I'm saying that he got out of losing when he was planned to lose to all of them, and in the end nobody was elevated of those four because the Goldberg loss came too late, he feuded with HHH the entire time he was champion, and HHH walked away with the belt. Again, the numbers fell during this whole period of time, and Raw needed a new focus, and Triple H wasn't the answer.

And the "they aren't good enough" argument is dead as soon as you say he singlehandedly made Batista, because that is completely correct, he just chose not to do it for those other guys, all of whom had more going for them at the point the feud started than Batista did.
Beautiful post.

I wasn't even a massive Goldberg mark, but my interest in RAW dropped to 0 when Triple H walked out of the Chamber champion. Almost as egregious as the Booker T fiasco. I was surprised to see it come up as often as it did in your "jumping the shark" podcast recently, although it makes total sense.
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Old 11-20-2015, 05:55 PM   #7
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Beautiful post.

I wasn't even a massive Goldberg mark, but my interest in RAW dropped to 0 when Triple H walked out of the Chamber champion. Almost as egregious as the Booker T fiasco. I was surprised to see it come up as often as it did in your "jumping the shark" podcast recently, although it makes total sense.
I wouldn't put it as a "jumping the shark" moment since it definitely wasn't the definitive moment when shit went downhill. It was pretty bad though.

Goldberg's presence/"aura" was really all he had going for him. WCW built it up properly, made him a star and put the title on him.

WWE finally had Goldberg to for their own... and decided to kill his aura AND THEN put the title on him. What?
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I wouldn't put it as a "jumping the shark" moment since it definitely wasn't the definitive moment when shit went downhill. It was pretty bad though.

Goldberg's presence/"aura" was really all he had going for him. WCW built it up properly, made him a star and put the title on him.

WWE finally had Goldberg to for their own... and decided to kill his aura AND THEN put the title on him. What?
I wouldn't have put it as a jumping the shark moment either, but it definitely does stand out as a majorly dumb move. I LOL'd at CyNick saying "when the time was right" in regards to Goldie getting the belt, I'll be honest.

It sucked in the same way that Jeff Jarrett beating Monty Brown sucked, but on a much larger scale.
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Old 11-23-2015, 09:51 AM   #9
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No, I'm not saying he should have lost to all of them by any means. I'm saying that he got out of losing when he was planned to lose to all of them, and in the end nobody was elevated of those four because the Goldberg loss came too late, he feuded with HHH the entire time he was champion, and HHH walked away with the belt. Again, the numbers fell during this whole period of time, and Raw needed a new focus, and Triple H wasn't the answer.

And the "they aren't good enough" argument is dead as soon as you say he singlehandedly made Batista, because that is completely correct, he just chose not to do it for those other guys, all of whom had more going for them at the point the feud started than Batista did.
I'm trying to remember the details, but I don't recall HHH winning a final one on one match with Goldberg. Could be wrong though.

Regardless, Goldberg was never committed to the business, so the fact that Hunter put him over at all shows Hunter was a team player. In the end he put over guys who the company thought would be long term stars (Benoit, Batista, Cena, even Bryan).
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