The thread where we get CyNick to defend maligned storylines, and tell us how we don't understand...

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by McLegend CyNick, I'm trying to think more scenarios for you too book. The only thing I can think of now is Montrel. I'm not trying to beating a dead horse just want to see how you would handle it. So let's go back in time. Will keep every situation the sam. Bret refuses to do the job, and Vince is worried what Bret will do with the title... The only thing that we are going to change you can't stop the match and "Screw Bret." How do you handle the situation?

People will just roll their eyes, so I probably shouldnt bother, but I feel Vince handled that masterfully.

To me, you couldnt let Bret walk out of Survivor Series as champion. I'm sure we have all heard interviews with Bret, and realize he takes the business and his character really seriously. Maybe too seriously. As a result, it clouded his judgment and he acted selfishly and refusing to drop to Shawn in Montreal.

From Vince's POV, you have Bret going to Turner, and you have this big grudge match booked. Standard wrestling booking is when a guy is leaving a territory, he does the favours. It was perfectly reasonable for Vince to EXPECT Bret to put over someone of his choosing. Bret and Shawn were rivals, and if Bret is leaving, you want Shawn to look like the superior talent. Bret acted childish, and refused, so Vince was backed into a corner.

The epic thing was Vince had the foresight to put himself on TV as an authority figure in the angle. This was perfect, because it set up the next decade plus of TV as him as the evil authority figure. Really smart booking, a genius move.

[McLegend]

Originally Posted by The CyNick People will just roll their eyes, so I probably shouldnt bother, but I feel Vince handled that masterfully. To me, you couldnt let Bret walk out of Survivor Series as champion. I'm sure we have all heard interviews with Bret, and realize he takes the business and his character really seriously. Maybe too seriously. As a result, it clouded his judgment and he acted selfishly and refusing to drop to Shawn in Montreal. From Vince's POV, you have Bret going to Turner, and you have this big grudge match booked. Standard wrestling booking is when a guy is leaving a territory, he does the favours. It was perfectly reasonable for Vince to EXPECT Bret to put over someone of his choosing. Bret and Shawn were rivals, and if Bret is leaving, you want Shawn to look like the superior talent. Bret acted childish, and refused, so Vince was backed into a corner. The epic thing was Vince had the foresight to put himself on TV as an authority figure in the angle. This was perfect, because it set up the next decade plus of TV as him as the evil authority figure. Really smart booking, a genius move.

I think Vince handled it the best way possible way to especially considering how every turned out for WWE.

I'm doing this in total fantasy world which is going to be unrealistic. I would do Money in the bank/WM 9 style.

I would end the Bret/HBK match in a double DQ, and then I would have someone let's say Owen Hart (it can be anyone I don't care) challenge Bret after the match, and then Owen wins the belt. However he loses it at the next PPV to Shawn, and maybe not that much of the future is changed.

That way everything ends up amicable between Vince and Bret. It's unrealistic, but I think it kind of works.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by The CyNick The epic thing was Vince had the foresight to put himself on TV as an authority figure in the angle. This was perfect, because it set up the next decade plus of TV as him as the evil authority figure. Really smart booking, a genius move.

Minus him trying to be a babyface after it al happened. No foresight but stil smart to go heel when he realized the fans didn't buy him as a face

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead Minus him trying to be a babyface after it al happened. No foresight but stil smart to go heel when he realized the fans didn't buy him as a face

That promo was designed to babyface the direction the company was going, not Vince himself.

[CSL]

Originally Posted by The CyNick People will just roll their eyes, so I probably shouldnt bother, but I feel Vince handled that masterfully. To me, you couldnt let Bret walk out of Survivor Series as champion. I'm sure we have all heard interviews with Bret, and realize he takes the business and his character really seriously. Maybe too seriously. As a result, it clouded his judgment and he acted selfishly and refusing to drop to Shawn in Montreal. From Vince's POV, you have Bret going to Turner, and you have this big grudge match booked. Standard wrestling booking is when a guy is leaving a territory, he does the favours. It was perfectly reasonable for Vince to EXPECT Bret to put over someone of his choosing. Bret and Shawn were rivals, and if Bret is leaving, you want Shawn to look like the superior talent. Bret acted childish, and refused, so Vince was backed into a corner.

I think this was the post where you jumped the shark, for me anyway

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by CSL I think this was the post where you jumped the shark, for me anyway

He was backed into a corner

You have your champion leaving and refusing to put over the guy you want to be the heir apparent.

Nash put over HBK and Taker on his way out. Why couldn't Bret put over HBK?

Bret left Vince with no choice. Well, no good choice anyway.