The thread where we get CyNick to defend maligned storylines, and tell us how we don't understand...

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by KIRA Ok Cynick whats your opinion on the New Day? They've stated on Jericho's podcast that they have creative control and the New Day we see now is NOT what Vince had in mind.(obviously)He saw them as babyface's with a stereotypical gimmick and according to them he isn't all that happy and he was surprised that it didn't pan out(which kinda backs up the whole Vince is old and outta touch thing)

According to Cynick, it doesn't matter what New Day has stated. If it doesn't come from HHH or Vince, it isn't credible and likely isn't true.

In any event, Cynick thinks that Vince is a creative genius who, despite his age is more in tune with what makes great entertainment than even the fans are. In this scenario, Vince's creative genius, etc. is evidenced by not coming up with a successful gimmick for New Day on his own, but instead letting New Day come up with their own creative.

[KIRA]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ According to Cynick, it doesn't matter what New Day has stated. If it doesn't come from HHH or Vince, it isn't credible and likely isn't true. In any event, Cynick thinks that Vince is a creative genius who, despite his age is more in tune with what makes great entertainment than even the fans are. In this scenario, Vince's creative genius, etc. is evidenced by not coming up with a successful gimmick for New Day on his own, but instead letting New Day come up with their own creative.

They also confirmed (without actually saying it)what we've always known Vince doesn't like ideas that don't come from him no matter how good they are.

[KIRA]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ According to Cynick, it doesn't matter what New Day has stated. If it doesn't come from HHH or Vince, it isn't credible and likely isn't true. In any event, Cynick thinks that Vince is a creative genius who, despite his age is more in tune with what makes great entertainment than even the fans are. In this scenario, Vince's creative genius, etc. is evidenced by not coming up with a successful gimmick for New Day on his own, but instead letting New Day come up with their own creative.

I think I'll be at a loss for words if the response I get is something along the lines of "See Vince is still a genius because he knew enough to trust New Day with their own creative output."

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by KIRA I think I'll be at a loss for words if the response I get is something along the lines of "See Vince is still a genius because he knew enough to trust New Day with their own creative output."

I started listening to the Jericho podcast with New Day that some people have brought up. Haven't got through the whole thing yet.

Sounds like Vince thought the group had potential and was stuck for a gimmick. He came up with the preacher idea and thought it would get over as a babyface act. It was working in some towns, but the smark cities they were a heel, which started to carry over. They got a really strong heel reaction the day after Mania, so Vince agreed to go heel with the act.

The takeaway for me is Vince had the vision that the three guys would work as an act. He thought a bunch of black guys spreading positivity would catch on as a babyface act. He then listened to the crowd and went in the other direction for the time being. The ironic thing is New Day will likely end up as babyfaces, so Vince will be ultimately proven correct. The only difference is I think the act will have a little more of an edge than Vince originally expected. The cool thing about listening to those guys is they personify what Vince has been challenging the talent to do. Take an interest in your characters direction, and really own it. Makes me like these guys even more, and reiterates what I've believed, which is the system is there to make stars, and works when the talent is motivated and skilled.

[KIRA]

Originally Posted by The CyNick I The cool thing about listening to those guys is they personify what Vince has been challenging the talent to do. Take an interest in your characters direction, and really own it. Makes me like these guys even more, and reiterates what I've believed, which is the system is there to make stars, and works when the talent is motivated and skilled.

I'm pretty sure that not everyone has the creative freedom that New Day has.

In other words work within our really rigid system and get yourself over. You hear that Johnny Curtis? It's your fault that despite being insanely talented you can't get over with your lack of TV time and stupid gimmick.


The system is not there to make stars it's there to elevate a select few who fit a certain criteria.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by KIRA I'm pretty sure that not everyone has the creative freedom that New Day has. In other words work within our really rigid system and get yourself over. It worked wonders for Zack Ryder.

I don't see why New Day would get special treatment. Maybe now, because they are over, but when they were first trying to establish a gimmick they said they were always going to Vince with concepts.

Ryder was over for a time, but his popularity fizzled out because he didn't have any depth to his gimmick. It was just broski and woowoowoo and that's it. Plus he came off like a geek

[KIRA]

Originally Posted by The CyNick I don't see why New Day would get special treatment. Maybe now, because they are over, but when they were first trying to establish a gimmick they said they were always going to Vince with concepts. Ryder was over for a time, but his popularity fizzled out because he didn't have any depth to his gimmick. It was just broski and woowoowoo and that's it. Plus he came off like a geek

Why do I get the feeling that you don't think the company actually pushing Ryder would have mattered?

Lets apply this logic to Roman he isn't interesting all he is so by the numbers it hurts has zero depth to him fans generally dislike him. Ryder at least has Something but by your logic Roman should be a non-issue right now, he isn't because the WWE is determined to make us think he doesn't suck. Having the company support DOES matter.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by KIRA Why do I get the feeling that you don't think the company actually pushing Ryder would have mattered? Lets apply this logic to Roman he isn't interesting all he is so by the numbers it hurts has zero depth to him fans generally dislike him. Ryder at least has Something but by your logic Roman should be a non-issue right now, he isn't because the WWE is determined to make us think he doesn't suck. Having the company support DOES matter.

I remember watching Ryder grow in popularity because he was smart and was an early adopter to social media. I would watch him get these huge pops and think "why do people like this guy? ". But hey different strokes. In my opinion what happened was they got what they could out of him. He was like a car with only one gear. You need more than that to elevate your career.

To me Roman has a much better look than Ryder, he works like a main eventer, he has crazy presence, he just needs more confidence on the mic. I think that can be developed.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by KIRA The system is not there to make stars it's there to elevate a select few who fit a certain criteria.

And don't forget buzzwords which removes all organic feel from every thing. But Vince is the greatest of all time at all of life, and even his very few mistakes he has ever made can be easily rationalized, and are simply sensationalized by that fascist Dave Meltzer.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

CSL better get ready to be talked at and then have thedamndest tell him hes been owned and now butthurt by the superior rhetoric of thecynick