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Old 07-04-2017, 06:06 PM   #1
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Noid is great and TPWW is better fr having him here, no question.

Just think the whole concept of "ironic fandom" being a "big problem" is ridiculous.
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Old 07-04-2017, 06:40 PM   #2
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Noid is great and TPWW is better fr having him here, no question.
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:58 AM   #3
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So you did leave because you didn't agree with people's opinions lol?
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Can't imagine Noid has any actual friends/success in real life judging by how he interacts with people on TPWW.
Sure. I imagine you trapping prostitutes in holes you've dug into your basement lowering lotion to them via a pulley-system. What a baseless observation.

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Unlike Adamle i think Noid is a good guy and likely has plenty of friends outside of tpww. I just thinl his antics in the last 6 months have been heelish.
You're a bit smarter than adamle though. Sure, you can think of them as heelish. It did start as a character, but I sincerely do believe that the current product is absolute horse-shit, and I don't mind calling out stuff I find to be dross as a fan now. If people enjoy it, whatever. I stayed out of the Jinder Mahal Appreciation Thread until I saw it was basically all ironic stuff anyway. It provided me a good chance to rant about my disdain for the Mahal push.

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Noid is great and TPWW is better fr having him here, no question.

Just think the whole concept of "ironic fandom" being a "big problem" is ridiculous.
For what it's worth, I think you're a great poster. I think we're just debating the semantics of "big problem." I think you've taken it to be in the tone of "BIG problem," whereas I simply meant it as a dry "big problem."
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:23 AM   #4
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For what it's worth, I think you're a great poster. I think we're just debating the semantics of "big problem." I think you've taken it to be in the tone of "BIG problem," whereas I simply meant it as a dry "big problem."

I just don't see it being a problem at all, honestly. It isn't like anyone's fandom is changing what is actually put on the shows. That was my point. Ironic fandom, or fandom of ANY sort, simply doesn't matter at this time. "They" don't listen nor care what fans think.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:04 AM   #5
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I just don't see it being a problem at all, honestly. It isn't like anyone's fandom is changing what is actually put on the shows. That was my point. Ironic fandom, or fandom of ANY sort, simply doesn't matter at this time. "They" don't listen nor care what fans think.
Plus you may as well enjoy it. Unlike Roman or Borton being champ- Mahals run offers the fish out of water novelty we dont often get to see. Its not ideal but its easy to get a kick out of.
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Old 07-05-2017, 11:23 AM   #6
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Plus you may as well enjoy it. Unlike Roman or Borton being champ- Mahals run offers the fish out of water novelty we dont often get to see. Its not ideal but its easy to get a kick out of.
If you get a kick out of Mahal, that's fine. I don't fault KIRA or you for enjoying it. Whatever. I, personally, forced myself to watch one of his segments and could barely get through (legit -- I'm not just being cynical). It's not for me and is just one thing too many for me.

What I will say is that your position does sound a little defeatist. "You may as well enjoy it." There's a part of me that admires your optimism and resourcefulness with that. Sincerely. But there's another part of me that doesn't get why you'd subject yourself to something you clearly don't enjoy -- not trying to twist your words. I'm not saying that as a slam, because I look back over the years of wrestling I have consumed, and think about the high points and it makes me shudder to think how long it may have actually been since I enjoyed the WWE product for a sustained period of time -- I can relate more than anything -- but seeing the point made, I do think there is a perfectly sane "But why?" response to what you just said.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:08 PM   #7
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If you get a kick out of Mahal, that's fine. I don't fault KIRA or you for enjoying it. Whatever. I, personally, forced myself to watch one of his segments and could barely get through (legit -- I'm not just being cynical). It's not for me and is just one thing too many for me.

What I will say is that your position does sound a little defeatist. "You may as well enjoy it." There's a part of me that admires your optimism and resourcefulness with that. Sincerely. But there's another part of me that doesn't get why you'd subject yourself to something you clearly don't enjoy -- not trying to twist your words. I'm not saying that as a slam, because I look back over the years of wrestling I have consumed, and think about the high points and it makes me shudder to think how long it may have actually been since I enjoyed the WWE product for a sustained period of time -- I can relate more than anything -- but seeing the point made, I do think there is a perfectly sane "But why?" response to what you just said.
I mean I don't watch much. But Jinder as champ is better than Orton or Reigns as champ. It's not great, but sadly enough, it's an improvement.
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Old 07-07-2017, 04:28 AM   #8
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I mean I don't watch much. But Jinder as champ is better than Orton or Reigns as champ. It's not great, but sadly enough, it's an improvement.
Eh, I do disagree with this. Granted, I haven't been watching regularly, and Orton/Wyatt stuff was crap, but the idea of Orton being champion didn't upset me in any sense other than it felt unnecessary to turn away from AJ.
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Old 07-05-2017, 11:17 AM   #9
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I just don't see it being a problem at all, honestly. It isn't like anyone's fandom is changing what is actually put on the shows. That was my point. Ironic fandom, or fandom of ANY sort, simply doesn't matter at this time. "They" don't listen nor care what fans think.
There's a point that I can actually engage with. See, I think we let them get away with it. We continue to keep our subscriptions, go to shows, watch the television, etc. This extends beyond Mahal, mind you. And honestly, it extends towards other promotions too. Things like The Young Bucks and the slow-motion comedy stuff. It's not my cup of tea, but the ironic "Ha, it's fake wrestling, look at how fake it is" tone does spread and does change the psychology of performers over time, which does change product over time.

I do agree that they don't care about what fans think. They've found what they perceive to be their bottom and will literally try everything now that they've found it. All that are left are the people they don't need to try for. Still, they do try to give enough lip service in terms of randomly pushing Kevin Owens to a faux World Title for a few months, despite it not being how fans would have envisioned. WWE is in a really weird place, if you stop and think about it for a while. And that's part of what I mean by "ironic fandom," because as the product gets less engaging, in a general consensussy sort of way, people pretend to be more engaged with aspects that aren't working. It just creates more of a foundation for more of it to be built upon. If you're not a fan of WWE programming right now, I'd suggest withdrawing your vote of financial support, if you do put money into them in any way. But do what you want, it's your money -- I just don't think change is coming until consumers force it, because competition ain't coming.
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Old 07-05-2017, 07:08 PM   #10
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There's a point that I can actually engage with. See, I think we let them get away with it. We continue to keep our subscriptions, go to shows, watch the television, etc. This extends beyond Mahal, mind you. And honestly, it extends towards other promotions too. Things like The Young Bucks and the slow-motion comedy stuff. It's not my cup of tea, but the ironic "Ha, it's fake wrestling, look at how fake it is" tone does spread and does change the psychology of performers over time, which does change product over time.

I do agree that they don't care about what fans think. They've found what they perceive to be their bottom and will literally try everything now that they've found it. All that are left are the people they don't need to try for. Still, they do try to give enough lip service in terms of randomly pushing Kevin Owens to a faux World Title for a few months, despite it not being how fans would have envisioned. WWE is in a really weird place, if you stop and think about it for a while. And that's part of what I mean by "ironic fandom," because as the product gets less engaging, in a general consensussy sort of way, people pretend to be more engaged with aspects that aren't working. It just creates more of a foundation for more of it to be built upon. If you're not a fan of WWE programming right now, I'd suggest withdrawing your vote of financial support, if you do put money into them in any way. But do what you want, it's your money -- I just don't think change is coming until consumers force it, because competition ain't coming.

I don't watch weekly programming anymore and haven't for a little over 2 years now. I am still a fan of wrestling, in general, so I tend to watch the PPV's. Since doing so, I find myself enjoying what I actually do watch tons more. Maybe it is the over-saturation of the brand or something, I dunno.
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