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Old 07-20-2017, 09:57 PM   #1
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10min of tv cost the WWE $45k. Theres a real investment there everytime you go out there. Blaming the office is a joke.
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Old 07-21-2017, 01:48 AM   #2
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Its not the bookers job to get you over. You get yourself over. The bookers job is to utilize over talent.

Danielson was a failure of the booking. He was over and they tried to stop it. But if you're jerking the curtains its for one of two reasons. 1. You didnt get your ass over. 2. The talent is stacked and you didnt get yourself over enough.... maybe 3. You shit in the wrong guys cheerios.

Like people getting passed over for promotion. You gotta take ownership of that. You gotta impress your boss not the otherway around.

If the booker is having to get you over you should take it as a failure on your part. Its what they pay you to do.
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10min of tv cost the WWE $45k. Theres a real investment there everytime you go out there. Blaming the office is a joke.
Let me try this again with what I can remember writing:

Monday on RAW, Samoa Joe cut a fantastic promo that positions him as a threat to Brock. Now, Joe could've shit the bed and blew his chance. That would've been on him. My poibt is that what if they never had Joe go out there? He gets beat clean by Brock, killed by an F5, and doesn't have the opportunity to prop himself up the next night. Roman and Heyman/Brock shit on Joe, and they set themselves up for Reigns vs Lesnar... again. How would Joe being diminished here have been his fault?

Remember when Lesnar debuted? You think he would've become the attraction he is today if he was booked the same way Curtis Axel was? Brock comes in, double powerbombs people for 2-3 weeks, then constantly jobs clean, becomes Heyman's meatshield, and made to look like a buffoon? He would've been dead inside of two months no matter how he looks. Would that have been Brock's fault he didn't get over?

Back to Austin 3:16. If the Curtain Call never happened, he never would have won that tournament. If they didn't have allotted time for a coronation (along with the other moving parts like Austin being upset about something Jake supposedly said beforehand), the promo wouldn't have been dropped. No promo, no signs and groundswell. But ultimately, if Vince still saw no value in him outside of being "a good hand", he would have gone on to become yet another midcard-at-best nobody that people would only kinda remember as one half of the Hollywood Blondes. Not seeing how any of that would be Austin's fault for not getting himself over.

How can one seize the moment when they arent given moments to seize? Who cares about how much is spent on tv time? Part of what that time was *supposed* to be for is helping more people get on tv. You can't say nobody is a draw when there are barely opportunities to make new people be perceived as a draw. The company cannot be rotally absolved of this issue in spite of you thinking that is "a joke".

Being passed over for promotion isn't always a simple issue of impressing your boss or not... bosses make mistakes on who they do or don't promote. You could be the most compotent writer, filer, and whatever on your job, but you get passed over because your boss likes how Jane looks in a miniskirt. Has nothing to do with how skilled you potentially are, and you never get the chance to prove it. How is that your fault for not "stepping up"?
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:53 AM   #3
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Good talent would still get over. If all those moments never happend another moment would have and we'd be talking abnout them. Cream rises to the top. Always. If you're good poeple will want to see you. No one gave Danielson anything. he went out and got so fucking over that the pushed him. This is what good talent is. Thats the definition. If you cant do exactly that then you arent good talent you're a lip stick-pig.


If im not getting over in a town then I need to evaluate what I'm selling them. Winning and losing dont get me over. Especially not in 2017. I get me over.


These guys are given moments to sieze ad nauseum but the moments never come. And they never will. You cite the KotR promo but it basically proves my point. How many 7 min promos are guys given? Dozens? Hundreds? Fuck in this day in age you can put the world title on a guy, build 30 min of TV a week of him and still comes out a midcarder. Thats a failure of the talent. Austin winning KotR didnt make the promo any better, he looked at his opponent and spoke from the characfters heart. Could have been any night really. Austin had found a voice that resonated with the audience. He made himself a star and made sure we knew. That's talent.


Did anyone try and make Mic Foley one of the top acts on the planet? No one but Mick did thats for damn sure. History is litered with these stories. Now everyone wants to act like its someone elses job to make this better when the blame is soley on the talent.


How many monster pushes went nowhere? More than paid off thats for damn sure. Because the booking is a SMALL part of what gets you over. You get over FIRST, then you get a push. Thats where the success is.


10min of TV. $45,000. Thats a huge investment.
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You cite the KotR promo but it basically proves my point. How many 7 min promos are guys given? Dozens? Hundreds? Fuck in this day in age you can put the world title on a guy, build 30 min of TV a week of him and still comes out a midcarder. Thats a failure of the talent. Austin winning KotR didnt make the promo any better, he looked at his opponent and spoke from the characfters heart. Could have been any night really. Austin had found a voice that resonated with the audience. He made himself a star and made sure we knew. That's talent.
That would make sense if all the guys were allowed to "speak from their characters heart" still instead of having their promos scripted. Getting over today is more reliant on the writers than ever before and the writers are worse than ever before.
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