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Old 06-21-2020, 04:34 PM   #241
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Remember in "Birdman" when Ed Norton tries to method act a sex scene with Naomi Watts and she's not having it at all?

Joey Ryan's whole career is that scene apparently.
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Old 06-21-2020, 09:40 PM   #242
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I didn't know they had tiers in the NFL
Oh for sure, you have the consistent too level franchises who always compete and have a great fanbase, think Patriots, Seahawks, Steelers, Packers, Chiefs, Ravens.

Then you have teams who are competitive more often than not, and again have great fanbases, think Cowboys, Broncos, Texans, Saints, Vikings.

Then you have teams with great fanbases but are almost always dysfunctional and not very good, think Browns, Raiders, Lions, Jets.

The bottom of the bottom tier are poorly run, make the worst possible decisions, and even when they luck into good players, they ruin it completely, and they only make any money because of the NFL's shares revenue which is mostly off the massive NFL TV deals. That's the Jaguars and Bengals.
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Old 06-21-2020, 09:43 PM   #243
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If I was a female wrestler I wouldn't feel safe working with anyone now.
Even the good guys turn a blind eye.
Didn't Rowan see Big Cass getting a little rough with Carmella and dropped him on the spot?
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Old 06-21-2020, 10:09 PM   #244
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Joey Ryan got quietly released from Impact Wrestling according to PWI. Official announcement might be made soon.

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While Impact Wrestling has not addressed the status of Ryan, the impression PWInsider.com has received from sources in the promotion is that Ryan, who had been leading the #CancelCulture group will not be returning. There has been no official announcement from the company on the status of Ryan as of this writing.
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Old 06-21-2020, 11:20 PM   #245
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Joey Ryan got quietly released from Impact Wrestling according to PWI. Official announcement might be made soon.
When the lamest company don't even want you Ha!

He shouldn't have been in any company in the 1st place even before all this always hated him just from the 2 clips i saw.
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Old 06-22-2020, 12:07 AM   #246
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Didn't Rowan see Big Cass getting a little rough with Carmella and dropped him on the spot?
Rowan who?

Boats?
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Rowan who?

Boats?
Erick Redbeard!
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Old 06-22-2020, 02:23 AM   #248
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I fucking hate Joey Janela. I just want to get that out there. It’s really got nothing to do with the allegations.
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Old 06-22-2020, 03:48 AM   #249
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I fucking hate Joey Janela. I just want to get that out there. It’s really got nothing to do with the allegations.
That's because you're a #CornetteSheep
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This last week made me fall out of love with pro-wrestling a bit.
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Old 06-22-2020, 06:16 AM   #251
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As much as I like Cornette, I wouldn't be surprised if this shit was true. Think about the industry as a whole, and how this stuff seemed commonplace -- especially in Cornette's era.

First, you have Moolah. All the old-school guys like Corny and Bruce still won't acknowledge what she did, even though they're definitely well aware. You have commentators with the inside jokes in the 80s about "Terry Garvin's school of self defense." The Mel Phillips stuff and the Pat Patterson rumors. Grizzly Smith was a sexual predator, and people still talk about him glowingly unless they're Jake Roberts.

At the end of the day, if the casting couch stuff happened in Hollywood, how could it NOT be a thing in wrestling -- which has always proved seedier.
All of this makes me think of two things:

1) Cornette alluded to a "rat" story once where he said that "If the social media were around back then, all of Crockett - except Flair - would have been in trouble!" To which Brian Last responded: "... except Flair?" in disbelief. Corny said: "Yeah. Because Ric had a different piece of business."

2) A bit more contemporary, something Awesome Kong said on a shoot interview about the heirarchy in Japan in that there were a lot of girls over there who were "gay for the stay", with heavy implication of girls being taken advantage of (willingly or otherwise) due to the senpai/kohai system: you do what the vet wants you to do. Funny how nothing really ever came out about that, or any other egregious stories about girls being creepers and/or being full on Moolah-esque pimps.
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Old 06-22-2020, 09:28 AM   #252
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Someone unearthed a podcast from 4 years ago where Sammy Guevara very casually jokes that he wanted to rape Sasha Banks when he was at Raw for a tryout.
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Someone unearthed a podcast from 4 years ago where Sammy Guevara very casually jokes that he wanted to rape Sasha Banks when he was at Raw for a tryout.
I'm guessing Sammy was being hyperbolic and was speaking like a dumb idiot 22-year-old. But maybe, just maybe, don't record yourself saying such a thing.

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Hyperbolic or not, it's problematic though right? Like he could have said "man she's hot" or something a bit more tame.
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Yep, incredibly stupid and awful thing to say. And the guy interviewing him didn't even react to it.

I expect he'll put out some sort of apology, blaming it on his age and immaturity but it won't matter, he's gonna get shit on regardless. That's just the way these things go.
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Hyperbolic or not, it's problematic right? Like he could have said "man she's hot" or something a bit more tame.
Oh there's no doubt it's poor and problematic language. I just know I've definitely heard girls say they'd gladly rape a guy and vice versa. They're just trying to communicate a high level of thirst instead of communicating intent.

And I mean let's get serious, rape roleplaying is a thing and it's completely consensual. For many, it's very healthy and spices things up in the boudoir.

With that said, there are things one says that should always remain behind closed doors. This is one of them.
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and I should explain there's a strong difference between bantering with a group of friends in private versus going on a podcast where millions will be listening. You can't conduct yourself in such a way, not just because "Snowflakes will be offended." But because as a celebrity, even in a niche world, your words have impact on people. Some 15 year old dude will hear that and undoubtedly take it the wrong way and run wild with it.
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Of course. People can have their fantasies (maybe that's the wrong word to use) and whatnot, far be it from me to judge. But yeah there are definitely those thoughts and feelings that shouldn't be made public.
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Also, in saying that, you should never say it in front of a group of friends, either. It's not a crime or anything, but the more I think about it, it's hard to justify the connotations. You're actively promoting sexual violence whether it's your intent or not.

So, there you go, I have flimflammed on my own argument. I just always have the free speech battle with myself. At the end of the day though, facing professional ramifications isn't the same as legal consequences.
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Long story short, context means something. But Sammy is going to have to pay the piper on this one, with little sympathy from anyone (myself included).
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For sure. There's a difference between "wow she's hot I'd like to fuck her" and "I wanted to rape that woman."

You shouldn't really verbalize either of those, but the second is much more of an issue than the first.
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How can I shoehorn a Trump "Grab em by the pussy joke" into this?
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Even though it was a hyperbolic way of saying “she’s really hot”, treating rape as a casual joke is a big problem in and of itself.
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Even though it was a hyperbolic way of saying “she’s really hot”, treating rape as a casual joke is a big problem in and of itself.
Yeah, throwing it out there like it ain't a thing is really concerning. Like... imagine being Sacha Banks and hearing that.
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Old 06-22-2020, 10:25 AM   #265
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I'm sure Sammy will put out an apology today but the reality is it's not going to matter. The people who are disgusted by his comments will view whatever he says in the apology as empty and just covering his own ass. The people willing to overlook it "because he was a dumb kid" have already forgiven him and don't even need to see an apology. Everyone will remain entrenched.

If he's truly remorseful, I'd much rather he donate a paycheck to RAINN or something instead of put out a paint-by-numbers apology blaming it on immaturity.
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Old 06-22-2020, 10:26 AM   #266
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This last week made me fall out of love with pro-wrestling a bit.

I hope all victims of assault/abuse have their voices heard. At this time, I'm going to watch less pro-wrestling than I did before for personal reasons. I will tune in for the Royal Rumble/WrestleMania/Dynamite. I was going to give ROH a shot post-rona but now that info has come out on Marty Scurll IDK. Might catch NJPW on occasion. I wish good vibes for all.
What are you planning to watch instead?
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Also, in saying that, you should never say it in front of a group of friends, either. It's not a crime or anything, but the more I think about it, it's hard to justify the connotations. You're actively promoting sexual violence whether it's your intent or not.
Years ago....I wanna say 2012 or so, me and three friends were out and about in NYC. We all notice a very sexy blonde in a fairly tight dress, presumably on her way for a night on the town.

And my friend who had been in the Army just says "man, why's she gotta dress like that? the four of us could totally have our way with her if we wanted"

And the rest of us kinda nervously laughed and changed the subject because we know he's got a dark, blunt sense of humor but it's like, come on man.

What if we had all agreed with him even in joking? Would he have actually been down for it? It's fucked up.

I too have a dark sense of humor but there's a world of difference between laughing my balls off at Dennis Reynolds being a psychopath on It's Always Sunny and actually saying shit like that in real life.
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Is problematic the new buzzword
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Thing about rape jokes and dead baby jokes is you can get a good cheap laugh out of them if you are inclined to and judge the situation well enough.

What you don't do is name somebody and say "I'd rape them lolz".

You cant style that out afterwards.
Especially if people have reason to believe you actually find that person attractive and or know them.

That's just insane.
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Old 06-22-2020, 10:59 AM   #271
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Point being a joke should look and sound like a joke, just laughing when you say something appalling isn't fooling anybody.
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I too have a dark sense of humor but there's a world of difference between laughing my balls off at Dennis Reynolds being a psychopath on It's Always Sunny and actually saying shit like that in real life.
It's because of the implication
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Dennis Reynolds is the alpha psycho in a show about awful bastards, so the terrible things that lot get up to are all in context and usually very well performed and written.

I think an episode where Dennis has to suffer the consequences of blurting out a badly timed, ill formed rape joke would be great stuff.
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Old 06-22-2020, 12:27 PM   #274
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Here's the thing.

Khan has to fire Sammy. Like this might sound like an overreach, but he has to. He basically told Hogan and Linda Hogan that they could not attend AEW events because of Hogan being a racist (he of course did this over Twitter). Now he has to deal with the ramifications. It doesn't matter that it happened four years ago. It doesn't matter if he was trying to be in character of being an asshole. You can't say those things ever.
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It wouldn't surprise me if Sammy is let go, at least for a time.
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It doesn't have to be permanent. But in the short term, you have to do it. Let this shit die down, then take the flack when you rehire him and just claim "It happened. But Sammy has worked towards becoming a better person and will continue to do so" or some shit.
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Symbolic firings for everybody that had a mad moment and said something "out of character".

Beheadings for anybody who does it twice.

Just leave the unrepentant ones alone. They are too powerful.
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Symbolic firings for everybody that had a mad moment and said something "out of character".

Beheadings for anybody who does it twice.

Just leave the unrepentant ones alone. They are too powerful.
And slowly but surely, status quo will once again reign supreme.
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