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Old 06-03-2021, 01:39 PM   #1
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Pretty sure getting non hardcore fans talking about WWE again is a good thing. I don't think there has been anyone who peaked interest since Braun's peak run. WWE went overboard with it and then killed him.
Pretty sure this didn’t happen en masse like people are suggesting. Where was the ratings spike? I’m not doubting anyone’s anecdotal experiences, but mine is that no one has given a shit about wrestling in years and years, and Braun did nothing to change that.

If the guy made a difference, Vince would have been the first to froth at the mouth and push the guy more consistently. But he couldn’t really work and he wasn’t that over.
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Old 06-03-2021, 05:41 PM   #2
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Pretty sure this didn’t happen en masse like people are suggesting. Where was the ratings spike? I’m not doubting anyone’s anecdotal experiences, but mine is that no one has given a shit about wrestling in years and years, and Braun did nothing to change that.

If the guy made a difference, Vince would have been the first to froth at the mouth and push the guy more consistently. But he couldn’t really work and he wasn’t that over.
I dunno if you are trolling. Vince killed Ryback. Ryback, the guy who was getting Attitude Era pops when it was deemed impossible. So yes, Vince will destroy people that are over.

Honestly, I don't care or know about the ratings. That is really weird to me. I don't go around looking at the ratings for the sports talk shows I watch or listen too. What I do know, in my universe, for a few months, people that don't typically post about WWE were making social media posts regarding Braun. These are the casual fans that get back into WWE when something amazing is happening like Daniel Bryans run. Braun was that.

Honestly, most casual fans probably just watch video clips of what they want to watch. I doubt any of them decided to watch a 3 hour show to see Braun for 15 minutes. I wouldn't.
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Old 06-03-2021, 06:05 PM   #3
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I dunno if you are trolling. Vince killed Ryback. Ryback, the guy who was getting Attitude Era pops when it was deemed impossible. So yes, Vince will destroy people that are over.

Honestly, I don't care or know about the ratings. That is really weird to me. I don't go around looking at the ratings for the sports talk shows I watch or listen too. What I do know, in my universe, for a few months, people that don't typically post about WWE were making social media posts regarding Braun. These are the casual fans that get back into WWE when something amazing is happening like Daniel Bryans run. Braun was that.

Honestly, most casual fans probably just watch video clips of what they want to watch. I doubt any of them decided to watch a 3 hour show to see Braun for 15 minutes. I wouldn't.
Remember when Ryback hit that clothesline in Punk with JR I’m commentary and the crowd went ape shit to the point that the hard cam was shaking? That was the moment to go all in on Ryback and see where it went. But nope. Not Vince.
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Old 06-04-2021, 02:22 AM   #4
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I dunno if you are trolling. Vince killed Ryback. Ryback, the guy who was getting Attitude Era pops when it was deemed impossible. So yes, Vince will destroy people that are over.

Honestly, I don't care or know about the ratings. That is really weird to me. I don't go around looking at the ratings for the sports talk shows I watch or listen too. What I do know, in my universe, for a few months, people that don't typically post about WWE were making social media posts regarding Braun. These are the casual fans that get back into WWE when something amazing is happening like Daniel Bryans run. Braun was that.

Honestly, most casual fans probably just watch video clips of what they want to watch. I doubt any of them decided to
watch a 3 hour show to see Braun for 15 minutes. I wouldn't.
I’m not trolling. Ryback wasn’t very good and wasn’t very over. Did he need to be booked to shit in 2013? No. But he wasn’t a fucking difference-maker outside one curiosity buy for Hell in a Cell. Then Survivor Series tanked.

You may not care about ratings and buys, but they are a good indicator as to whether or not your anecdotal experience is universal or not. It’s not.

It’s fine to like the guys. But all this talk of “Attitude era pops” is just ridiculous.
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Old 06-04-2021, 05:49 AM   #5
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I’m not trolling. Ryback wasn’t very good and wasn’t very over. Did he need to be booked to shit in 2013? No. But he wasn’t a fucking difference-maker outside one curiosity buy for Hell in a Cell. Then Survivor Series tanked.

You may not care about ratings and buys, but they are a good indicator as to whether or not your anecdotal experience is universal or not. It’s not.

It’s fine to like the guys. But all this talk of “Attitude era pops” is just ridiculous.
So you are trolling. Got it.
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Old 06-04-2021, 01:42 PM   #6
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So you are trolling. Got it.
Yeah, because the person using actual metrics to back up what they’re saying is a troll, versus the guy who says “I don’t really care about things like evidence.”
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Old 06-04-2021, 02:16 PM   #7
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I’m not trolling. Ryback wasn’t very good and wasn’t very over. Did he need to be booked to shit in 2013? No. But he wasn’t a fucking difference-maker outside one curiosity buy for Hell in a Cell. Then Survivor Series tanked.

You may not care about ratings and buys, but they are a good indicator as to whether or not your anecdotal experience is universal or not. It’s not.

It’s fine to like the guys. But all this talk of “Attitude era pops” is just ridiculous.
Lol He was getting massively over and they snuffed it out ASAP. You brush off Hell in a Cell as just “curiosity” and then after he jobs and Cena enters the picture the next month you blame him. You’re not using metrics to back anything. You’re stating your narrative and then seeing how you can make the metrics work for you. “It was just curiosity” being your excuse for a bump being a pretty clear example.

And yes calling this...



... an attitude era pop is not ridiculous. The fact that you can’t at least admit that is more pretty hard evidence that either you’re trolling or you’re dead set on skewing or just flat out ignoring any evidence that a guy you don’t like was making waves.
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Old 06-04-2021, 03:58 PM   #8
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Lol He was getting massively over and they snuffed it out ASAP. You brush off Hell in a Cell as just “curiosity” and then after he jobs and Cena enters the picture the next month you blame him. You’re not using metrics to back anything. You’re stating your narrative and then seeing how you can make the metrics work for you. “It was just curiosity” being your excuse for a bump being a pretty clear example.

And yes calling this...



... an attitude era pop is not ridiculous. The fact that you can’t at least admit that is more pretty hard evidence that either you’re trolling or you’re dead set on skewing or just flat out ignoring any evidence that a guy you don’t like was making waves.
Watched that video. Do you really consider that an Attitude era pop? You can see people not reacting at all. Did he get automated reactions by WWE standards at the time? Sure. But holy fuck is this place insane when it comes to overrating the appeal the guy had just because he was jacked and got people to sing along to “Feed me more!” Talk about fucking narratives.

I was watching far less when Braun was around. When I did, you could literally pick apart the individual “Rawrs!” from the crowd they were so isolated. Cold period? Sure. But let’s not pretend he melted the fucking ice. He was the drizzling shits designed to be in the Kane role, except like Kane, no one got over working with him, and he didn’t make them the money they were spending on him.

That’s why both guys have been released and why one, at least, has turned out to be a definitive nothing in the industry. You’re kicking water uphill by arguing anything otherwise. There’s no evidence either guy ever really mattered.
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Old 06-04-2021, 05:55 PM   #9
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Watched that video. Do you really consider that an Attitude era pop? You can see people not reacting at all.
I’m pretty sure if we could go back and measure the decibels of that live crowd when he hit that clothesline you’d argue that you saw a ton of fans sneezing at the same time and that threw it off.

Now, we could discuss whether he had what it takes to keep it going in the long-run but if you can’t concede this then it’s kinda pointless.
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Old 06-04-2021, 06:19 PM   #10
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I’m pretty sure if we could go back and measure the decibels of that live crowd when he hit that clothesline you’d argue that you saw a ton of fans sneezing at the same time and that threw it off.

Now, we could discuss whether he had what it takes to keep it going in the long-run but if you can’t concede this then it’s kinda pointless.
Lol, you’re starting at the conclusion you want and not moving past that while accusing people of doing the same. If we could measure the decibels of that reaction, I’m sure I would be saying “See?” It’s not that fucking hot, dude. It’s not a terrible reaction, but holy shit are people overplaying this. He was a big dude who got mildly over with squashed, then got a decent reaction in a segment with Vince McMahon, CM Punk and John Cena in front of a crowd that was hungry for almost anything else. And make no mistake about it — had they have gotten Ryback they would have wanted something else then too.

That he wouldn’t have been able to keep it going is kind of the whole point. There was a catchphrase, a look and a push to the guy. When he lost the push, the catchphrase and the look fell through too.
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