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Old 06-02-2021, 11:29 PM   #121
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I think Luchasaurus would be way better if he stopped trying to be an "agile" big man. Because 90% of the time, whenever he does those moves it looks slow and choreographed. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you can do it well.

Luchasaurus continuing to do this shit is just one example of why I'm convinced the older veterans don't actually critique and coach the younger guys and are just there for the payday.
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Old 06-02-2021, 11:32 PM   #122
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Luchasaurus seemed really good for the first couple of months in AEW and was insanely over, then got injured and when he came back a few months later, seemed really immobile and slow and it seems like he has never recovered over a year later for some reason...
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Old 06-02-2021, 11:33 PM   #123
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I'd like to see Braun in AEW but I think it's best if he tried transitioning into movies. There could probably be a place for him in a movie like Army of the Dead sequel. That or strong man competitions.
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Old 06-03-2021, 12:27 AM   #124
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Maybe he can play softball like his old man
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Old 06-03-2021, 01:57 AM   #125
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wonder what the cuts will be today, will they do nxt or continue with raw and smackdown?
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Old 06-03-2021, 02:35 AM   #126
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I just can't believe Vince is selling off control. He's likely selling stocks off but not enough to lose his power. jmo
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Old 06-03-2021, 02:38 AM   #127
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I'd be pissed the f off if I were Steph/Trip and to a lesser extent, Shane-o (who left and made bank).
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Old 06-03-2021, 03:28 AM   #128
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I REALLY hope Bray is next, but I don’t see them kicking him. He’s more likely to make a splash somewhere being something different. I don’t see them releasing Jeff either, because The Hardys being together would improve Mid-Card Matt’s value, but they may just call the bluff there and let them do silly shit to bury themselves.

I see the big “shocker” being Keith Lee, if his medical shit has cleared up and they’re just not using him. He’s just a big fat guy with an overinflated sense of importance and a semi-racist gimmick (“I’m a SMART black man”). It just hasn’t worked and you can let someone else make a big deal out of him and look like fools.
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As for where talent will go:

-CJ Perry will go to AEW.

-Matt Silva will end up in New Japan if he wants to go back to the WWE (word is that’s always been his end-goal). If he doesn’t and working in front of smaller audiences is fine, he’ll end up in AEW.

-Santana Garrett will have offers from AEW and MLW (MSL is a huge fan). She may be low-balled by AEW because egos may not like her look.

-Heidi Lovelace to...eh, who gives a fuck? NWA, MLW, TNA, AEW, it’ll all be the same. I can see AEW giving her a shot to do “hardcore” shit.

-Tommy End will get a big MLW offer if they can do it. Court Bauer has said he’s a guy that he would build around. That’s if the WWE run didn’t sour that for him. If he doesn’t go there, I do think he’ll end up in AEW, possibly with his wife.
Such compassion for someone who just lost their job. Truly remarkable. Only someone who’s ever held a job could relate to this.
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Old 06-03-2021, 05:51 AM   #129
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Keith Lee could be a star in any era with halfway decent booking. You’re really getting stuck in a mindset of letting WWE’s braindead booking dictate a guy’s worth. You should know better by now.
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Old 06-03-2021, 06:12 AM   #130
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People are way overplaying how good/over Braun was. From what I saw, his reactions were pretty tepid. He didn’t help business any and whatever was there was the “Not Roman” principle. You push him, you get Roman Reigns but with a dude who is even worse.

I was embarrassed to be watching when Braun was on 9/10 times. Good for people who enjoyed him, but this is not a bad release. And the whole “Lol, he was in a WWE Title match two weeks ago” people...yeah, and he fucked that up too, and now he’s finished. He’ll probably be back, but thank fuck he’s gone in the meantime.

Keith Lee is overrated as fuck. Outside him tackling smaller people, the dude is pretty average and he’s a bland promo.
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Old 06-03-2021, 07:02 AM   #131
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People are way overplaying how good/over Braun was. From what I saw, his reactions were pretty tepid. He didn’t help business any and whatever was there was the “Not Roman” principle. You push him, you get Roman Reigns but with a dude who is even worse.

I was embarrassed to be watching when Braun was on 9/10 times. Good for people who enjoyed him, but this is not a bad release. And the whole “Lol, he was in a WWE Title match two weeks ago” people...yeah, and he fucked that up too, and now he’s finished. He’ll probably be back, but thank fuck he’s gone in the meantime.

Keith Lee is overrated as fuck. Outside him tackling smaller people, the dude is pretty average and he’s a bland promo.
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Old 06-03-2021, 08:07 AM   #132
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Old 06-03-2021, 08:16 AM   #133
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Braun is awesome, once he got his groove they should have pushed him like they do Roman now. I hope he goes to AEW but he'd also get me back into NJPW if he worked there. If I was Tony I'd be opening up the wallet for Joe, Bryan and Braun. Lana will ruin Miro's gimmick I'd prefer they don't pick her up.
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Old 06-03-2021, 08:34 AM   #134
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with mlw about to start on vice they might get some of the old wwe wrestlers. now dirtsheats claim nbc is waiting for the fox deal to end to buy wwe in 2024. i wonder if fox would sale there rights to leave early.
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Old 06-03-2021, 08:44 AM   #135
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How does Ziggler survive these culls?
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People are way overplaying how good/over Braun was. From what I saw, his reactions were pretty tepid. He didn’t help business any and whatever was there was the “Not Roman” principle. You push him, you get Roman Reigns but with a dude who is even worse.

I was embarrassed to be watching when Braun was on 9/10 times. Good for people who enjoyed him, but this is not a bad release. And the whole “Lol, he was in a WWE Title match two weeks ago” people...yeah, and he fucked that up too, and now he’s finished. He’ll probably be back, but thank fuck he’s gone in the meantime.

Keith Lee is overrated as fuck. Outside him tackling smaller people, the dude is pretty average and he’s a bland promo.
Pretty sure getting non hardcore fans talking about WWE again is a good thing. I don't think there has been anyone who peaked interest since Braun's peak run. WWE went overboard with it and then killed him.
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i am ready for zigler and his tag partner to be relaesed, zig can be with his brother and beer money can get back.
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Old 06-03-2021, 10:13 AM   #139
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People are way overplaying how good/over Braun was. From what I saw, his reactions were pretty tepid. He didn’t help business any and whatever was there was the “Not Roman” principle. You push him, you get Roman Reigns but with a dude who is even worse.

I was embarrassed to be watching when Braun was on 9/10 times. Good for people who enjoyed him, but this is not a bad release. And the whole “Lol, he was in a WWE Title match two weeks ago” people...yeah, and he fucked that up too, and now he’s finished. He’ll probably be back, but thank fuck he’s gone in the meantime.

Keith Lee is overrated as fuck. Outside him tackling smaller people, the dude is pretty average and he’s a bland promo.
His reactions were pretty good for the modern era. If you compare it with the "glory days", sure his pops weren't as big as someone like The Godfather or Scotty 2 Hotty.

Part of it was definitely the "not Roman" thing, but a large part of it was also because he is a freaking huge guy who was being booked like a freaking huge monster. Not rocket science.
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Agree about Keith Lee, though. I admit I've only seen him a handful of times though.... but nothing screamed star
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Old 06-03-2021, 01:24 PM   #141
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with mlw about to start on vice they might get some of the old wwe wrestlers. now dirtsheats claim nbc is waiting for the fox deal to end to buy wwe in 2024. i wonder if fox would sale there rights to leave early.
I suppose they could then, but they would really have to overpay at that point.

They would have to not only purchase WWE, they would need to offer enough for Vince to give up the new TV contracts he could sign for Raw and Smackdown, as well. They would also need to cover the remaining $400 million on the Network deal.

I think the more likely option would be for them to sign new shorter deals for Raw and Smackdown (assuming Fox doesn't get in a bidding war for the rights) that would mirror the remaiming time in the WWE Network deal, with the option to buy in 2026.

Who knows by then though, it would really depend on how Peacock is doing at that point.
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Old 06-03-2021, 01:33 PM   #142
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like the fox disney deal and the at&t warner deal it took 2 years. i see the peacock deal starting next year. then the 2 year holding pattern with vince running till the fox deal ends in 2024.
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Pretty sure getting non hardcore fans talking about WWE again is a good thing. I don't think there has been anyone who peaked interest since Braun's peak run. WWE went overboard with it and then killed him.
Pretty sure this didn’t happen en masse like people are suggesting. Where was the ratings spike? I’m not doubting anyone’s anecdotal experiences, but mine is that no one has given a shit about wrestling in years and years, and Braun did nothing to change that.

If the guy made a difference, Vince would have been the first to froth at the mouth and push the guy more consistently. But he couldn’t really work and he wasn’t that over.
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To be fair, no one will make a difference again. Making differences isn't best for business.
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Less we all forget WWE purposefully killed Brauns push because he showed up only 4 hours early before the show actually started instead of 6 hours early.

It was more important to WWE to teach Braun to show up 2 extra hours earlier than make more money or give the fans something entertaining.
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Him winning the tag belts with that 12 year old kid literally took all the cool factor away from Braun
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Him winning the tag belts with that 12 year old kid literally took all the cool factor away from Braun
yeah..he shoulda won them with Brodie Jr. Fuck Nicholas!
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Pretty sure this didn’t happen en masse like people are suggesting. Where was the ratings spike? I’m not doubting anyone’s anecdotal experiences, but mine is that no one has given a shit about wrestling in years and years, and Braun did nothing to change that.

If the guy made a difference, Vince would have been the first to froth at the mouth and push the guy more consistently. But he couldn’t really work and he wasn’t that over.
I dunno if you are trolling. Vince killed Ryback. Ryback, the guy who was getting Attitude Era pops when it was deemed impossible. So yes, Vince will destroy people that are over.

Honestly, I don't care or know about the ratings. That is really weird to me. I don't go around looking at the ratings for the sports talk shows I watch or listen too. What I do know, in my universe, for a few months, people that don't typically post about WWE were making social media posts regarding Braun. These are the casual fans that get back into WWE when something amazing is happening like Daniel Bryans run. Braun was that.

Honestly, most casual fans probably just watch video clips of what they want to watch. I doubt any of them decided to watch a 3 hour show to see Braun for 15 minutes. I wouldn't.
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Him winning the tag belts with that 12 year old kid literally took all the cool factor away from Braun
Was that before or after singing and playing the giant stand up bass vs Elias? Feel like that was the point where it was like "yyyyeah ok, so he's just like everyone else now"
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I dunno if you are trolling. Vince killed Ryback. Ryback, the guy who was getting Attitude Era pops when it was deemed impossible. So yes, Vince will destroy people that are over.

Honestly, I don't care or know about the ratings. That is really weird to me. I don't go around looking at the ratings for the sports talk shows I watch or listen too. What I do know, in my universe, for a few months, people that don't typically post about WWE were making social media posts regarding Braun. These are the casual fans that get back into WWE when something amazing is happening like Daniel Bryans run. Braun was that.

Honestly, most casual fans probably just watch video clips of what they want to watch. I doubt any of them decided to watch a 3 hour show to see Braun for 15 minutes. I wouldn't.
Remember when Ryback hit that clothesline in Punk with JR I’m commentary and the crowd went ape shit to the point that the hard cam was shaking? That was the moment to go all in on Ryback and see where it went. But nope. Not Vince.
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I dunno if you are trolling. Vince killed Ryback. Ryback, the guy who was getting Attitude Era pops when it was deemed impossible. So yes, Vince will destroy people that are over.

Honestly, I don't care or know about the ratings. That is really weird to me. I don't go around looking at the ratings for the sports talk shows I watch or listen too. What I do know, in my universe, for a few months, people that don't typically post about WWE were making social media posts regarding Braun. These are the casual fans that get back into WWE when something amazing is happening like Daniel Bryans run. Braun was that.

Honestly, most casual fans probably just watch video clips of what they want to watch. I doubt any of them decided to
watch a 3 hour show to see Braun for 15 minutes. I wouldn't.
I’m not trolling. Ryback wasn’t very good and wasn’t very over. Did he need to be booked to shit in 2013? No. But he wasn’t a fucking difference-maker outside one curiosity buy for Hell in a Cell. Then Survivor Series tanked.

You may not care about ratings and buys, but they are a good indicator as to whether or not your anecdotal experience is universal or not. It’s not.

It’s fine to like the guys. But all this talk of “Attitude era pops” is just ridiculous.
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More WWE releases are on the horizon and talent being let go is going to be a regular occurrence, according to Andrew Zarian of the Mat Men Pro Wrestling Podcast.


He said: "I was told specifically that there's going to be more releases to come... This is going to be a regular thing. You're going to see these releases happen. They're reshuffling the deck with talent. They're realising that the company got very bloated with talent over the last two-three years where WWE doesn't release anybody, they hang on to people. They threw ridiculous money to guys like Gallows and Anderson."


WWE had stockpiled an enormous amount of talent in recent years and over 300 wrestlers were reportedly on the books in early 2020.
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I was skeptical that more would be coming. Everyone reports that there are “more to come tomorrow” then they don’t come. But it would honestly be the best thing for the WWE as a talent-based company. You can’t stockpile talent. It would also be good for the industry writ large to have more seasoned guys out there working. Theoretically, it’d be good for guys to go elsewhere and develop too, but the wrestling in other places is pretty low-standard, so I’m not sure there are countless spots out there.
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I’m not trolling. Ryback wasn’t very good and wasn’t very over. Did he need to be booked to shit in 2013? No. But he wasn’t a fucking difference-maker outside one curiosity buy for Hell in a Cell. Then Survivor Series tanked.

You may not care about ratings and buys, but they are a good indicator as to whether or not your anecdotal experience is universal or not. It’s not.

It’s fine to like the guys. But all this talk of “Attitude era pops” is just ridiculous.
So you are trolling. Got it.
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So you are trolling. Got it.
Yeah, because the person using actual metrics to back up what they’re saying is a troll, versus the guy who says “I don’t really care about things like evidence.”
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