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Old 11-23-2004, 06:55 PM   #201
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Old 11-23-2004, 07:21 PM   #202
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VonErich, i really do not want to say what everybody else has been telling since forever. I do not know what tape or footage you saw, the guy THREW the beer in Artest face, and SJ threw the Haymaker. You know it, i know it, everybody knows it. Thats the only point i want to make. Yea, he is just going to start throwing punches because of no reason at all.
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Old 11-23-2004, 07:56 PM   #203
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The beer was thrown before SJ hit the guy so yes, he threw the haymaker after the beer was hit. But when I looked at the tape I have in slow motion, he was going to swing at the guy regardless. He was already making a motion to hit the fan as the beer was being thrown.
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Well either way, if the guy wasn't throwing the beer or didn't think about doing it, he wouldn't have gotten whaled on like that gotta admit, it was a nice hit
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Old 11-23-2004, 09:06 PM   #205
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Well either way, if the guy wasn't throwing the beer or didn't think about doing it, he wouldn't have gotten whaled on like that gotta admit, it was a nice hit
You gotta watch it again, or splaya said in slo-mo maybe to break it down, if there had been no beer thrown SJ was still thowing a punch, before it was thrown.

I'm not talking about the cup that hit Artest on the scorers table.

It's all a moot point.

Artest never should have gone in the stands, and SJ's first reaction in the stands should have been to grab Artest who shouldn't have gone in there in the first place, not to start swinging.

as said, I feel sorry for the Pacer fans, Artest is an idiot.

Now he's on this big media blitz, they want to talk about the fight and he's promoting his Album.

I hope the Pacers find a way to cut him an no one picks him up, he makes Dennis Rodman look stable.
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Old 11-23-2004, 09:08 PM   #206
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Yea, he is just going to start throwing punches because of no reason at all.
Never said that, in his mind he was doing the right thing, defending/helping his teammate who he saw in being in a 1 on 10-20-30person brawl.


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if the guy wasn't throwing the beer or didn't think about doing it,
and we're supposed to assume SJ could read the guys mind?
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This is getting so much attention that even my psych prof (who is a little old lady) was discussing it today.

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Old 11-23-2004, 09:50 PM   #208
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Old 11-23-2004, 10:35 PM   #209
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In regards to Ben Wallace, the only reason people are point him out in this is that his suspension of 5 games (which is normal) wasn't escalated in the way Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson's were. Wallace overreacted to the foul (which was far from hard - like someone said earlier, go ask Scottie Pippen about the scar on his chin from being pushed into a chair by Rodman for a hard foul) and then threw the towel at Artest.

If Wallace gets five games, then O'Neal and Jackson get 15 and Artest gets 30-something to take him past the all-star break. If you're going to bump the Pacers suspensions, Wallace must get more as well.

Artest will play in the playoffs, so unless he's traded while on suspension (if that's possible) then he'll play at least a couple more games as a Pacer.
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Old 11-23-2004, 11:49 PM   #210
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Trips, just watched it again, SJ throws the first punch before the cup of (we assume beer) is thrown.
WTF ARE YOU BLIND. THE GUY THROWS THE CUP IN ARTEST'S FACE AFTER ARTEST GOES INTO THE STANDS, AND THEN JACKSON PUNCHES THE GUY. YOU ARE SO ABSURD. WOW.

And Artest was too smart to fight back at Wallace, so he chilled and then when he got hit by the cup, he basically took out his aggression on a fan.
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Artest will play in the playoffs, so unless he's traded while on suspension (if that's possible) then he'll play at least a couple more games as a Pacer.
I thought that the suspension included all regular season games plus all post season games? Or did they change it?
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Old 11-24-2004, 01:24 AM   #212
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" Good news is he has time to work on that R&B album of his. '

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In regards to Ben Wallace, the only reason people are point him out in this is that his suspension of 5 games (which is normal) wasn't escalated in the way Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson's were. Wallace overreacted to the foul (which was far from hard - like someone said earlier, go ask Scottie Pippen about the scar on his chin from being pushed into a chair by Rodman for a hard foul) and then threw the towel at Artest.

If Wallace gets five games, then O'Neal and Jackson get 15 and Artest gets 30-something to take him past the all-star break. If you're going to bump the Pacers suspensions, Wallace must get more as well.

Artest will play in the playoffs, so unless he's traded while on suspension (if that's possible) then he'll play at least a couple more games as a Pacer.
I don't think you have to bump Wallaces suspension. I agree he over-reacted, but he didn't cause this whole thing and even still after getting hit by a cup from the stands, Artest shouldn't have gone into the stands in the first place.

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WTF ARE YOU BLIND. THE GUY THROWS THE CUP IN ARTEST'S FACE AFTER ARTEST GOES INTO THE STANDS, AND THEN JACKSON PUNCHES THE GUY. YOU ARE SO ABSURD. WOW.

And Artest was too smart to fight back at Wallace, so he chilled and then when he got hit by the cup, he basically took out his aggression on a fan.
Yeah Trips, me and everyone else who saw it that way, 2 that posted in this tread and plenty of reports who have talked and written about it.

Either way it's a moot point cause Artest never should have been in the stands in the first place!

and for the people who say "Well, what would you do". You can't say that, you have to say "What would you do if you were a pro-athlete during a game". This wasn't Artest at a bar w/ some friends and someone threw a drink in his face, this was a pro-athlete during a game getting hit by debree.
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Old 11-24-2004, 03:19 AM   #214
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" Good news is he has time to work on that R&B album of his. '
Heard a reporter suggesting he did this onpurpose to get more attention (free press) and the month off he wanted.
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The beer was thrown before SJ hit the guy so yes, he threw the haymaker after the beer was hit. But when I looked at the tape I have in slow motion, he was going to swing at the guy regardless. He was already making a motion to hit the fan as the beer was being thrown.
LOL you watched it in slow motion? Get out of here

By the way, that last point was the stupidest thing I have ever read.
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Old 11-24-2004, 05:35 AM   #216
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LOL you watched it in slow motion? Get out of here

By the way, that last point was the stupidest thing I have ever read.
making the motion, means his arm was already swinging before the beer was thrown.

now do you understand?
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Old 11-24-2004, 05:55 AM   #217
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What the fuck, are we talking about the same situation or what?????????

Artest runs into the crowd and goes after the guy in the black shirt. Then, while he is attacking him, another guy on the right of the screen in a black shirt throws a cup of beer in Artest's face. Meanwhile, Stephen Jackson is running up but he is still like four chairs away from the guy who threw the beer in Artest's face. AFTER he sees the dickhead throw the beer, he goes at him and punches him in the face. It is not even close to him punching him before the beer is thrown. It is clearly right after. You cannot be fucking serious unless you are talking about something completely different.
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I saw the incident the other day, what a load of pussies, see Eric Cantona's kun fu kick on a fan to see how you sort them out. and the black guy who swung a punch at the other player looks like he should be really hard but he isn't. This is worse then the brawl earier this year.
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VEL AND SPLAYA, YOU FUCKING RETARDS, LOOK:

Fan sees other fan being attacked.


GETS READY TO THROW BEER. LOOK WHERE JACKSON IS.


THROWS BEER. LOOK WHERE JACKSON'S ARMS ARE. THEY AREN'T SWINGING, FUCKTARDS. GOD. I HOPE YOU BOTH DIE.


AND AGAIN. JACKSON STILL THERE.


FINALLY, HE GOES FOR THE GUY.


YEAHHHHH


Another angle. Look how Jackson is looking down as the drink is splashed in Artest's face. The punch is OBVIOUSLY A REACTION TO THE THROWING OF THE DRINK YOU FUCKING GOD DAMN RETARDS.
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I don't think you have to bump Wallaces suspension. I agree he over-reacted, but he didn't cause this whole thing and even still after getting hit by a cup from the stands, Artest shouldn't have gone into the stands in the first place.
Fair call, but what I'm thinking is that if a fan rushes the court and a player punches him in the face (eg J.O) then he wouldn't get a 25 game suspension. From what I saw J.O didn't do a great deal in the brawl in the stands, it was largely Artest and Jackson.

It's hard to draw the line at only nailing Pacers players for it *once the initial brawl started*. They have a right to defend themselves.

Also what was Rip Hamilton so upset about, he was visably out of control on the tape, what was the story there?
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Those 2 fat fuckers in the size 42 jersey's had it coming. Fat bastards walked on the court with the intention of fighting. O'neal and Artest cold cocked like they deserved.

I loved how after the game tuesday night ESPN told Carlisle about more coveraged that " ESPN" found that had our rookie David harrison throwing a punch at a fan as they where leaving the court cause the fan threw a drink at him. It was great. ESPN was all pumping there chest cause they found this video. Carlisle was like." Pfffft ESPN. Of course." and walked away.

David Stern said that they saw the video but they didnt suspend Harrison because of the actions of the fans that were throwing things while him in the other players were trying to leave the court.

ESPN pawned.

Stuart Scott was like " ESPN Immediatly reported this footage to the NBA I REPEAT. Immediatly reported this footage to the NBA"

asshole.

I also love how Artest is getting critizied for premoting his album during interviews yesterday. Hell if i lost 5 million dollars i think i would premote my album too.

The rap album joke is old and stupid and has nothing to do with the incident at hand. SOmoene needs to tell this to ESPN obviously.
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I also love how Artest is getting critizied for premoting his album during interviews yesterday. Hell if i lost 5 million dollars i think i would premote my album too.

The rap album joke is old and stupid and has nothing to do with the incident at hand. SOmoene needs to tell this to ESPN obviously.
I think its cause that seemed to be all that was on his mind. He didn't show remorse. He didn't apologize to the fans of the NBA or to the Pacers. If one of the best players on my team was suspended for the year, I'd want an apology.
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Uhh where we watching the saem interview? He apologized quite a bit.

Besides those tv channels and radio shows are using him to get the " First big scoop from the crazy guy " He wasnt even suppose to be interviewed on tv. I heard the Today channel rushed a camera down there to get the interview on tv. SO what did Artest do? He took advantage. Using people to benefit your career or your ratings goes both ways.
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Nah man. The playoffs are a part of the season. Artest won't be back until October 2005. Unless of course the players union actually works (but it won't, since guess who is the arbitrator? David Stern.)
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making the motion, means his arm was already swinging before the beer was thrown.

now do you understand?
Now, do YOU understand? Fucking idiot
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Also what was Rip Hamilton so upset about, he was visably out of control on the tape, what was the story there?
Maybe 'cause a 246-pound professional athlete was beating up his fans?
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Maybe he shouldn't have such moronic drunken fans
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That would be nice, wouldn't it?

Although, to be fair, the guy that threw the cup was a criminal who wasn't supposed to be drinking (one of the conditions of his release). The Pistons (and Piston fans in general) shouldn't be held accountable for what one idiot started.

But, yeah, it would have been nice if people hadn't taken it so far.
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I agree. A few fans can ruin it for the whole lot.
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Amazing this has gone till 6 pages long.


AAA you will disagree with this on me. But still photos and video's are 2 seperate things. When you watch a picture slide show of it, of course he is not going for the guy. But on the video before the beer is thrown Jackson is shown already going after the guy. If the SJ would not have been going for the guy whether the beer was thrown or not, he would have grabbed him and pulled him away or grabbed him and punched him. Not automatically go for a swinging haymaker on the poor guy.
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It doesn't matter what SJ's motivations were or whatever, it was wrong none the less.
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AAA you will disagree with this on me. But still photos and video's are 2 seperate things. When you watch a picture slide show of it, of course he is not going for the guy. But on the video before the beer is thrown Jackson is shown already going after the guy. If the SJ would not have been going for the guy whether the beer was thrown or not, he would have grabbed him and pulled him away or grabbed him and punched him. Not automatically go for a swinging haymaker on the poor guy.
WOW YOU STUPID FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN THE FUCKING VIDEO IT'S THE SAME GOD DAMN THING. HOW STUPID ARE YOU
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what are you stupid? He's throwing the cup in this picture and jackson see's him and chin checks him.

Your either :

(a) a very biased detroit fan who wont admit blame on your city's part and probably thinks Oj is innocent for that matter.

(b) a moron.

or

(c) your the guy throwing the beer in Artest's face and getting dotted in the face.

BTW that guy who threw the cup is hilarious. He's like " uhhh the cup was thrown in my vicinity "

Interviewer : Are you aware that you are shown on the tape throwing the cup.

Moron: Uhhhh the cup was uhhhh thrown in my vicinity. Uhhh whatever is on the tape. Uhhh

I mean in this interview i saw he's literally pulling lies out of his ass. He shaved to. Cause he knew he was fucked. He's like Bugs Bunny telling Elmer that he went that way thinking that Elmer was dumb enough to fall for it accept we arent cartoons and we arent dumb. God if all detroit fans are like this guy and splaya i'm suprised that havent burned there city down already...
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I donlt like Skip bayless alot but this is one of the best articles of writing i've seen on this incident if not the best . Have a read.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...bayless/041124
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