NFL offseason thread.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-13-2005, 05:47 AM

Didn't see one yet.

Anyway, the Pats have lost their O/C and D/C, Eric Mangini, is staying as DC. He's been with the team 5yrs, he was offered the same job with Miami suposivly for 800K and Cleveland for 700K and stayed with NE for around 500K.

I'm curious who will be the O/C, there's a rumor of Dante Scarnecchia, who is currently "assistand head coach" and OL Coach, Dante has been with the Pats over 20 years (just looked 21), which is interesting because as head coaches have come in gone, and owners, and gm's etc... he's stuck around. He's coached TE's, ST, OL, LB, and I might have missed a position or two, he was also "team spokesman" when Dick Macphearson was ill, and did all the press confrences for like 1/2 a season.

The Pats also have a few contracts to deal with.

They have some free agents on the OL, they need to restructure if they want to keep Law and if he wants to stay, there's also talk about redoing Bradys contract, Vinateri and possible Dillon.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-13-2005, 05:49 AM

Hey Trips (or other Jets fans),

I'm reading Lamont Jordon is an unrestricted free agent, I thought the Jets had him signed? If not, that's gonna be a tough call, do you give starter money to a guy who gets 1/4 of the plays... otherwise he'll get the starter money elsewhere.

Also, I read MSG wants to buy that site where they're going to build the Jets stadium, and put condos, that way they don't get any competition from the new stadium for events. The Gov is againast it cause he thinks with that stadium you'll get the Olympics.

**Evil Vito** · 02-13-2005, 10:12 AM

I'm still having a hard time trying to decide what the Giants' priority should be. They have some serious O-Line problems, but then again, most of their O-Line men are young and will likely improve over time.

I'm prolly gonna have to go with WR. The fact that Hilliard and Toomer, their 2 main WRs, combined for a grand total of 0 TD passes is quite pathetic. Curious to see if the Giants try and trade up for a 1st round pick (since their probably won't be any notable WRs left by 2nd round).

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-13-2005, 12:39 PM

What are the Chargers going to do?

**VonErich Lives** · 02-13-2005, 01:08 PM

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What are the Chargers going to do?

My guess, franchise tag breese and then trade him.

He'll get them more then Rivers will and they drafted Rivers with the confidence of the future.

can't see them keeping both, or Breese wanting that.

Side note, being reported Bledsoe has been demoted to backup and has asked the bills permission to seek a trade. I said last year he'll end up in Dallas with Parcells and Glenn.

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2005, 04:32 PM

Gus Ferrotte is looking for a team to start for

**#1-norm-fan** · 02-13-2005, 04:47 PM

lol. How old is Gus Frerrotte?

I remember a couple seasons ago he came in and had a couple great games but come on. A starter?

**VonErich Lives** · 02-13-2005, 05:48 PM

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Gus Ferrotte is looking for a team to start for

Is Jeff George still on the Bears?

**Rain Man** · 02-13-2005, 05:52 PM

Sean Alexander to the Eagles

**VonErich Lives** · 02-13-2005, 06:04 PM

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Sean Alexander to the Eagles

Eagles have a ton of cap room, would make sense they go after him or edge.

Both have Miami high on their list, but only one will endup there.

Eagles are in great shape to be back in the SB next year.

**Excellance of Execution** · 02-13-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

My guess, franchise tag breese and then trade him.

He'll get them more then Rivers will and they drafted Rivers with the confidence of the future.

can't see them keeping both, or Breese wanting that.

Side note, being reported Bledsoe has been demoted to backup and has asked the bills permission to seek a trade. I said last year he'll end up in Dallas with Parcells and Glenn.

Wouldn't it be funny if Buffalo traded Bledsoe to Dallas for a 1st rd pick? You know the same one they traded to Dallas last year so they could draft Losman. It would be kinda weird if that happened, but i doubt Buffalo could get a first round pick for him.

**Excellance of Execution** · 02-13-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

Eagles have a ton of cap room, would make sense they go after him or edge.

Both have Miami high on their list, but only one will endup there.

Eagles are in great shape to be back in the SB next year.

I'm not so sure the Eagles need a superstar RB like Edge or Alexander. What would they do with Westbrook? I think they would be better off getting a better receiver to compliment T.O. Pinkston suck's ( probably alway's will be nothing more than a 3rd receiver), and it's obvious Freddie Mitchell can't back up his mouth. So i think they should get a better receiver to line up opposite T.O. Can you imagine how hard it would be to defend Philly's offence then?

**VonErich Lives** · 02-13-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution

Wouldn't it be funny if Buffalo traded Bledsoe to Dallas for a 1st rd pick? You know the same one they traded to Dallas last year so they could draft Losman. It would be kinda weird if that happened, but i doubt Buffalo could get a first round pick for him.

yeah, I think they'll be lucky to get a 3rd rounder at this point.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-13-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution

I'm not so sure the Eagles need a superstar RB like Edge or Alexander. What would they do with Westbrook? I think they would be better off getting a better receiver to compliment T.O. Pinkston suck's ( probably alway's will be nothing more than a 3rd receiver), and it's obvious Freddie Mitchell can't back up his mouth. So i think they should get a better receiver to line up opposite T.O. Can you imagine how hard it would be to defend Philly's offence then?

I think they could do both between free agency and the draft.

**Rain Man** · 02-13-2005, 06:59 PM

The Eagles need a more runner than Westbrook.. Hell they get Alexander they can line Westbrook up as a reciever or have to running backs in the backfield.

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2005, 07:50 PM

I was shocked when I heard that the Eagles have a good chance at getting Shaun Alexander. That would almost be unfair. A top QB, a top WR, and arguable the best RB with Westbrook just messing things up aswell. The only problem I see with it is that I could see them losing some of their defensive perspective. Isn't their good LB a free agent? I forget his name, but the best one.

**Rain Man** · 02-13-2005, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

I was shocked when I heard that the Eagles have a good chance at getting Shaun Alexander. That would almost be unfair. A top QB, a top WR, and arguable the best RB with Westbrook just messing things up aswell. The only problem I see with it is that I could see them losing some of their defensive perspective. Isn't their good LB a free agent? I forget his name, but the best one.

Name Pos Ht Wt Exp College Birth City
79 #Allen, Ian OT 6-4 310 3 Purdue Atlanta, GA
36 #Westbrook, Brian RB/KR 5-10 205 3 Villanova Ft. Washington, MD
90 **Simon, Corey DT 6-2 293 5 Florida State Pompano Beach, FL
57 *Adams, Keith LB 5-11 223 4 Clemson Atlanta, GA
11 *Blake, Jeff QB 6-1 223 13 East Carolina Daytona Beach, Fla.
28 *Buckhalter, Correll RB 6-0 222 4 Nebraska Collins, MS
56 *Burgess, Derrick DE 6-2 266 4 Mississippi Greenbelt, MD
53 *Douglas, Hugh DE 6-2 281 10 Central State (Ohio) Mansfield, OH
25 *Levens, Dorsey RB 6-1 230 11 Georgia Tech Syracuse, NY
89 *Lewis, Chad TE 6-6 252 7 Brigham Young Orem, UT
71 *Mayberry, Jermane G/T 6-4 325 9 Texas A&M-Kingsville Floresville, TX
58 *Reese, Ike LB 6-2 222 7 Michigan State Cincinnati, OH
48 *Ritchie, Jon FB 6-2 250 7 Stanford Mechanicsburg, PA
54 *Trotter, Jeremiah LB 6-1 262 7 Stephen F. Austin Hooks, TX

*Denotes Unrestricted Free Agent
**Designates Franchise Tag
#Denotes Restricted Free Agent

The players they will resign are Westbrook, Trotter, Ritchie, and Burgess. Those to me are the players they HAVE to resign. Then you have players like Mayberry, Buckhalter, and Chad Lewis. We have a good offenseive line already loosing Mayberry would hurt but nothing drastic, Buckhalter was out for the whole season and is hard to tell if they will resign, and LJ Smith is going to be huge in the future so Chad Lewis may not be an Eagle.

I think they will have enough cap room from between resigning the players and acquiring maybe a Sean Alexander.

**Rain Man** · 02-13-2005, 08:11 PM

By the way BCWWF the linebacker you were talking about was Trotter

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2005, 08:23 PM

Yeah it was

**AlphaBean** · 02-13-2005, 08:34 PM

I bet Trotter will resign long-term for a low price, because he realizes he can't succeed without the Iggles. But then, if the Vikings could get him THAT WOULD BE HOT. But like I said... Eagles pretty much told him they don't need him, so he left, sucked, came back like a bitch, they took him back and put him in the pro bowl. Pretty great.

Two things: 1) I'm sick of the Moss trade talk. ESPN has no sources but they keep claiming Moss wants out and the Vikings want out. A childhood Moss friend claimed Moss demanded a trade, but on the radio Moss said he would be hurt if he was traded. COME ON. On the other hand, it looks like Culpepper's competitive nature is leaning towards wishing Moss was traded. Either way, ESPN is a piece of trash, and instead of retracting what they said, they appended it. If Red McCombs has been in meetings for the last month, how could he possibly have made arrangements to have Moss traded? It's pathetic.

Mort wants him in Atlanta, and the NFL wants him in Baltimore, which is why they were almost upset over the TO incident, but happy that he landed in Philly.

But either way, wtf, Moss better stay

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2005, 09:01 PM

WTF have you been Alphabean? I have been saying the same thing and people just stick to their ESPN like its the gospel still

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-13-2005, 09:28 PM

Vikings will never win a Superbowl with Randy Moss

**AlphaBean** · 02-13-2005, 10:33 PM

Or without him.

Mike Tice had Moss under control, but he lost it. Moss needs a better coach to keep his head in the game. The less control Tice had over his team, the less control he had over Randy Moss, which led to Moss finally just giving up on the team.

Oh and hey Stima, I know you're an NFL hopeful and all, but you're kind of an idiot to think that Randy Moss was responsible for no running game, poor clock management and absolutely no defense.

What? What? Randy Moss should play cornerback?

**AlphaBean** · 02-13-2005, 10:33 PM

Also, Randy Moss is a big cancer for the Vikings. How dare he get injured, what the fuck. A true star would never get injured.

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2005, 11:26 PM

Welcome back Alphabean, I notice you have stayed away from the NBA threads this year tho???

Also, just kind of interesting...Randy Moss is ranked as the third best NFL player by scouts, behind Payton Manning and Ray Lewis. Here is what the summary on him is.

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Moss has great size and sneaky deep speed because he hits his top gear in such a hurry. He is so smooth as an athlete that he runs right by defensive backs before they realize that he is on top of them. He does a great job of tracking the deep ball, he will catch it in full stride, and he is an outstanding leaper that has tremendous body control when he is in the air. He has outstanding hands and can snatch the ball away from his body. He will run all types of routes, and he is an absolute nightmare in man to man coverage. He is especially effective in the red zone where he can simply go up and out jump DB's and when the ball is in the air, he can be very competitive. He seems to have a great rapport with QB, Daunte Culpepper, and as the rest of this Minnesota offense improves and shows more versatility, Moss could actually even be better when the focus of the offense is not entirely on him. The numbers he puts up are scary considering his supporting cast, and there is no reason to believe that they won't continue to dominate in ?04.

**AlphaBean** · 02-14-2005, 12:42 AM

I can't bear to watch the Wolves anymore. Fairweather fan? Come on. It's not like we're rebuilding. This is just disgusting.

But yeah, Moss is the greatest player of all time.

At Rajah's, Wedge argued that the only trade the Ravens should make would be Moss for Adalius Thomas straight up due to Moss's baggage. That was hilarious.

Ray Lewis has lost a step and his best years are behind him, and Wedge argued that Moss's baggage make him far less valuable than Ray.

**BCWWF** · 02-14-2005, 12:46 AM

Ray is rated 98 by scouts and Moss 97 by scouts, but I think that as one player Moss affects more then Ray.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-14-2005, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaBean

Oh and hey Stima, I know you're an NFL hopeful and all, but you're kind of an idiot to think that Randy Moss was responsible for no running game, poor clock management and absolutely no defense.

What? What? Randy Moss should play cornerback?

What? Way too totally over analyze what I said you spaz

I just don't think the current Vikings team has a shot at winning the Superbowl, I think the Vikings keep the same team they have now and don't do a complete over haul then they will never win it all. They aren't going to trade Culpepper, and what other marquee guy can they get rid of to try to shake things up other then Moss? Big play wideouts don't win games, consistant offenses and defenses do. I think Moss would be even better under a different style, Tice is a terrible head coach. I really think it would be a win/win situation for all those involded. Vikings would get a lot for Moss.

**Corndad** · 02-14-2005, 12:54 AM

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lol. How old is Gus Frerrotte?

I remember a couple seasons ago he came in and had a couple great games but come on. A starter?

Hey Cmon! leave Gus out of this haha. I live in same town as him. Oh well biggest thing from our town is known for running his head into a wall...

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-14-2005, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaBean

Also, Randy Moss is a big cancer for the Vikings. How dare he get injured, what the fuck. A true star would never get injured.

LOL that's the only reason anybody considers him a cancer too right?

Here's a nice rap lyric for you

"I'm like Randy Moss/I play when I wanna"

**AlphaBean** · 02-14-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

What? Way too totally over analyze what I said you spaz

I just don't think the current Vikings team has a shot at winning the Superbowl, I think the Vikings keep the same team they have now and don't do a complete over haul then they will never win it all. They aren't going to trade Culpepper, and what other marquee guy can they get rid of to try to shake things up other then Moss? Big play wideouts don't win games, consistant offenses and defenses do. I think Moss would be even better under a different style, Tice is a terrible head coach. I really think it would be a win/win situation for all those involded. Vikings would get a lot for Moss.

Vikings had one of the lowest team salaries last season, and were forced by the NFL to spend a lot of it, so what did they do? They signed Winfield for like 13 mil the first year, and 2 mil for the next 5 years or something like this, just to fit OVER THE MINIMUM! Red McCombs is doing to the Vikings what Carl Pohlad is doing to the Twins. Forcing them to win with minimal expenditure.

On one hand, we could spend money on a few marquee defenders in free agency, and on the other hand, I think another year under Cottrell will make the current defenders a lot better. Because, basically, they're all young and stupid, and Ted Cottrell was trying to get them to do complex defenses, which is impossible unless you've got the Patriots linebackers. Our linebackers were out of position on nearly every play.

But we can get better without trading Moss. ESPECIALLY if Glen Taylor buys the team. He way overspent to get the Wolves competitive. Though that backfired this year, I guess.

. But at least he'll allow Tice and Bryzinski to spend a little bit of that cap room to get someone good.

Draft a 1: NT 2: CB 3: GUARD 4: LB 5: CB 6: OT 7:... who cares. 7th rounders always suck.

But we should throw a Kicker in the mix up there somewhere.

Pick up a safety in free agency, maybe a nice run-defending MLB or something. DUNNO. Mike Tice is the biggest piece of shit ever.

But I do not want Moss to leave, and I know that we could win with him here. But... not with Tice here.

**BCWWF** · 02-14-2005, 01:02 AM

Where does Gus live?

And I disagree with Stima. We had one of the most potent offenses in the league when Moss was healthy, and we still had two starting O-linemen out. The reason we lost so many games is because the defense could not stop anything. There were like five games that we lost on the final drive

Cris Hovan lost his energy, but if Kenechi Udeze stays healthy, him and Kevin Williams will be the foundation to a great D-line in the future. Chris Claiborne would be a good OLB, but he isn't good when he is the main guy. That is why the Vikings will likely address that issue this offseason with all of their salary cap. Corey Chavous and Brian Russell aren't great, but Chavous is pretty good and will be good enough to stay. Antoine Winfield was spectacular while he wasn't injured, and Sid Hartman reports that the Vikings plan to sign another defensive player of his caliber. It looks likely that they will draft DT Shaun Cody out of USC, sign a MLB and a DB, and the defense will be improved A LOT next season, and the whole offense will be intact assuming Moss or Bennett isn't traded. On the issue of Bennett or Onterrio, one of them will likely be traded, and that could bring in a defensive starter, maybe Woodson from Oakland or something. Keep your eyes out. If they make the right moves on defense they will be right up there with the Eagles next season...hopefully.

**BCWWF** · 02-14-2005, 01:04 AM

*Double chokeslam by Alphabean and BCWWF*

**BCWWF** · 02-14-2005, 01:05 AM

Even though Alphabean had a much better explanation and more realistic analysis, we rule!

**AlphaBean** · 02-14-2005, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

LOL that's the only reason anybody considers him a cancer too right?

Here's a nice rap lyric for you

"I'm like Randy Moss/I play when I wanna"

He gets triple teamed on every play. At 100 pounds soaking wet he has to fight through Al Harris pass interference constantly. And any time a run is called to his side, he always blocks his man as best as he can.

He said that statement a few years ago, and realized that while he does "play when he wants to," he needs to "want to" a lot more than he used to. So I only saw him let up this season when he had been going at 100% for an extended period of time, or was injured.

And don't even mention the Redskins game. 2 seconds left, an onside kick attempt. Was it wrong? Sure, for "morale" reasons, but he was justified in doing it. The Vikings should have won that game. They should have won a lot more games than they did.

Also, the mooning thing was awesome.

**AlphaBean** · 02-14-2005, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

Where does Gus live?

And I disagree with Stima. We had one of the most potent offenses in the league when Moss was healthy, and we still had two starting O-linemen out. The reason we lost so many games is because the defense could not stop anything. There were like five games that we lost on the final drive

Cris Hovan lost his energy, but if Kenechi Udeze stays healthy, him and Kevin Williams will be the foundation to a great D-line in the future. Chris Claiborne would be a good OLB, but he isn't good when he is the main guy. That is why the Vikings will likely address that issue this offseason with all of their salary cap. Corey Chavous and Brian Russell aren't great, but Chavous is pretty good and will be good enough to stay. Antoine Winfield was spectacular while he wasn't injured, and Sid Hartman reports that the Vikings plan to sign another defensive player of his caliber. It looks likely that they will draft DT Shaun Cody out of USC, sign a MLB and a DB, and the defense will be improved A LOT next season, and the whole offense will be intact assuming Moss or Bennett isn't traded. On the issue of Bennett or Onterrio, one of them will likely be traded, and that could bring in a defensive starter, maybe Woodson from Oakland or something. Keep your eyes out. If they make the right moves on defense they will be right up there with the Eagles next season...hopefully.

On paper, unfortunately.

We're still left with Mike Tice.

HOWEVER, Pep has a chip on his shoulder, and is going to beat the shit out of our team, hopefully that will give them some heart. He was pissed this year. He's gonna start beating some ass next season. Like destroying his own players and shit. Him and Birk, gonna keep the locker room in check.

**BCWWF** · 02-14-2005, 01:17 AM

My friend saw Birk driving by our houses the other day.

I had to drive my parents to the airport this morning, so I was listening to talk radio the night right after Moss did a call in interview to KFAN and discussed the walk off. What it all comes down to, is that Moss saw 2 seconds left, onsides kick, ok, so he starts walking off expecting it to happen, but it took longer then expected so he was caught in a really dirty situation. I am not condoning it, but I don't think it affected the team as much as it was made out to be.

**#1-norm-fan** · 02-14-2005, 03:48 AM

Moss seems like a good kid. He just needs some lovin'.

**AlphaBean** · 02-14-2005, 04:23 AM

If you want to see Birk, go to the Chipotle by his gym. He eats there practically every day. Seen him in there twice so far. I should start going to his gym and eating at that Chipotle all the time, then I will be a big offensive lineman AND FRIENDS WITH MATT BIRK.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-14-2005, 11:29 AM

Well, McCombs is no longer a problem. Team is being sold, new owner has money and is the first black owner in the NFL. I'd expect him to spend a lot of money, top coach, gm, star players etc...

Imagine Pepper throwing to Moss and Burress w/ Edge in the backfield...

02-13-2005, 05:47 AM	#1
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	NFL offseason thread. Didn't see one yet. Anyway, the Pats have lost their O/C and D/C, Eric Mangini, is staying as DC. He's been with the team 5yrs, he was offered the same job with Miami suposivly for 800K and Cleveland for 700K and stayed with NE for around 500K. I'm curious who will be the O/C, there's a rumor of Dante Scarnecchia, who is currently "assistand head coach" and OL Coach, Dante has been with the Pats over 20 years (just looked 21), which is interesting because as head coaches have come in gone, and owners, and gm's etc... he's stuck around. He's coached TE's, ST, OL, LB, and I might have missed a position or two, he was also "team spokesman" when Dick Macphearson was ill, and did all the press confrences for like 1/2 a season. The Pats also have a few contracts to deal with. They have some free agents on the OL, they need to restructure if they want to keep Law and if he wants to stay, there's also talk about redoing Bradys contract, Vinateri and possible Dillon.

02-13-2005, 05:49 AM	#2
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Hey Trips (or other Jets fans), I'm reading Lamont Jordon is an unrestricted free agent, I thought the Jets had him signed? If not, that's gonna be a tough call, do you give starter money to a guy who gets 1/4 of the plays... otherwise he'll get the starter money elsewhere. Also, I read MSG wants to buy that site where they're going to build the Jets stadium, and put condos, that way they don't get any competition from the new stadium for events. The Gov is againast it cause he thinks with that stadium you'll get the Olympics.

02-13-2005, 10:12 AM	#3
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,329	I'm still having a hard time trying to decide what the Giants' priority should be. They have some serious O-Line problems, but then again, most of their O-Line men are young and will likely improve over time. I'm prolly gonna have to go with WR. The fact that Hilliard and Toomer, their 2 main WRs, combined for a grand total of 0 TD passes is quite pathetic. Curious to see if the Giants try and trade up for a 1st round pick (since their probably won't be any notable WRs left by 2nd round).

02-13-2005, 12:39 PM	#4
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	What are the Chargers going to do?

02-13-2005, 04:32 PM	#6
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Gus Ferrotte is looking for a team to start for

02-13-2005, 04:47 PM	#7
#1-norm-fan Resident drug enabler Posts: 45,473	lol. How old is Gus Frerrotte? I remember a couple seasons ago he came in and had a couple great games but come on. A starter?

02-13-2005, 05:52 PM	#9
Rain Man MoeFREAK Posts: 1,682	Sean Alexander to the Eagles

02-13-2005, 06:59 PM	#15
Rain Man MoeFREAK Posts: 1,682	The Eagles need a more runner than Westbrook.. Hell they get Alexander they can line Westbrook up as a reciever or have to running backs in the backfield.

02-13-2005, 07:50 PM	#16
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I was shocked when I heard that the Eagles have a good chance at getting Shaun Alexander. That would almost be unfair. A top QB, a top WR, and arguable the best RB with Westbrook just messing things up aswell. The only problem I see with it is that I could see them losing some of their defensive perspective. Isn't their good LB a free agent? I forget his name, but the best one.

02-13-2005, 08:11 PM	#18
Rain Man MoeFREAK Posts: 1,682	By the way BCWWF the linebacker you were talking about was Trotter

02-13-2005, 08:23 PM	#19
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Yeah it was

02-13-2005, 08:34 PM	#20
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	I bet Trotter will resign long-term for a low price, because he realizes he can't succeed without the Iggles. But then, if the Vikings could get him THAT WOULD BE HOT. But like I said... Eagles pretty much told him they don't need him, so he left, sucked, came back like a bitch, they took him back and put him in the pro bowl. Pretty great. Two things: 1) I'm sick of the Moss trade talk. ESPN has no sources but they keep claiming Moss wants out and the Vikings want out. A childhood Moss friend claimed Moss demanded a trade, but on the radio Moss said he would be hurt if he was traded. COME ON. On the other hand, it looks like Culpepper's competitive nature is leaning towards wishing Moss was traded. Either way, ESPN is a piece of trash, and instead of retracting what they said, they appended it. If Red McCombs has been in meetings for the last month, how could he possibly have made arrangements to have Moss traded? It's pathetic. Mort wants him in Atlanta, and the NFL wants him in Baltimore, which is why they were almost upset over the TO incident, but happy that he landed in Philly. But either way, wtf, Moss better stay

02-13-2005, 09:01 PM	#21
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	WTF have you been Alphabean? I have been saying the same thing and people just stick to their ESPN like its the gospel still

02-13-2005, 09:28 PM	#22
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Vikings will never win a Superbowl with Randy Moss

02-13-2005, 10:33 PM	#23
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Or without him. Mike Tice had Moss under control, but he lost it. Moss needs a better coach to keep his head in the game. The less control Tice had over his team, the less control he had over Randy Moss, which led to Moss finally just giving up on the team. Oh and hey Stima, I know you're an NFL hopeful and all, but you're kind of an idiot to think that Randy Moss was responsible for no running game, poor clock management and absolutely no defense. What? What? Randy Moss should play cornerback?

02-14-2005, 12:42 AM	#26
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	I can't bear to watch the Wolves anymore. Fairweather fan? Come on. It's not like we're rebuilding. This is just disgusting. But yeah, Moss is the greatest player of all time. At Rajah's, Wedge argued that the only trade the Ravens should make would be Moss for Adalius Thomas straight up due to Moss's baggage. That was hilarious. Ray Lewis has lost a step and his best years are behind him, and Wedge argued that Moss's baggage make him far less valuable than Ray.

02-14-2005, 12:46 AM	#27
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Ray is rated 98 by scouts and Moss 97 by scouts, but I think that as one player Moss affects more then Ray.

02-14-2005, 01:02 AM	#32
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Where does Gus live? And I disagree with Stima. We had one of the most potent offenses in the league when Moss was healthy, and we still had two starting O-linemen out. The reason we lost so many games is because the defense could not stop anything. There were like five games that we lost on the final drive Cris Hovan lost his energy, but if Kenechi Udeze stays healthy, him and Kevin Williams will be the foundation to a great D-line in the future. Chris Claiborne would be a good OLB, but he isn't good when he is the main guy. That is why the Vikings will likely address that issue this offseason with all of their salary cap. Corey Chavous and Brian Russell aren't great, but Chavous is pretty good and will be good enough to stay. Antoine Winfield was spectacular while he wasn't injured, and Sid Hartman reports that the Vikings plan to sign another defensive player of his caliber. It looks likely that they will draft DT Shaun Cody out of USC, sign a MLB and a DB, and the defense will be improved A LOT next season, and the whole offense will be intact assuming Moss or Bennett isn't traded. On the issue of Bennett or Onterrio, one of them will likely be traded, and that could bring in a defensive starter, maybe Woodson from Oakland or something. Keep your eyes out. If they make the right moves on defense they will be right up there with the Eagles next season...hopefully.

02-14-2005, 01:04 AM	#33
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Double chokeslam by Alphabean and BCWWF

02-14-2005, 01:05 AM	#34
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Even though Alphabean had a much better explanation and more realistic analysis, we rule!

02-14-2005, 01:17 AM	#37
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	My friend saw Birk driving by our houses the other day. I had to drive my parents to the airport this morning, so I was listening to talk radio the night right after Moss did a call in interview to KFAN and discussed the walk off. What it all comes down to, is that Moss saw 2 seconds left, onsides kick, ok, so he starts walking off expecting it to happen, but it took longer then expected so he was caught in a really dirty situation. I am not condoning it, but I don't think it affected the team as much as it was made out to be.

02-14-2005, 03:48 AM	#38
#1-norm-fan Resident drug enabler Posts: 45,473	Moss seems like a good kid. He just needs some lovin'.

02-14-2005, 04:23 AM	#39
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	If you want to see Birk, go to the Chipotle by his gym. He eats there practically every day. Seen him in there twice so far. I should start going to his gym and eating at that Chipotle all the time, then I will be a big offensive lineman AND FRIENDS WITH MATT BIRK.

02-14-2005, 11:29 AM	#40
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Well, McCombs is no longer a problem. Team is being sold, new owner has money and is the first black owner in the NFL. I'd expect him to spend a lot of money, top coach, gm, star players etc... Imagine Pepper throwing to Moss and Burress w/ Edge in the backfield...