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Old 12-04-2015, 09:23 AM   #1
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At an indy show in my hometown this weekend, Nash/Hall/X-Pac are charging $65 to take a group photo with them. By comparison, a front row ticket to the actual show (which you'd have to buy separately) is $50.

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We see the larger picture, were telling you the larger picture is stupid. You have a guy in Sting that could have been put over by HHH to then put over Rollins. Then you have Rollins vs HHH start from Rollins believing he is better than HHH because he could beat Sting and HHH couldn't.

The way it went down was just a waste of Sting, HHH, The NWO, and DX. It did nothing for Rollins as Sting had not been booked properly enough for that match to even matter let alone the fact that he just jobbed to Cena. All in all 2015 has been a pretty bad year as far as booking goes for WWE.
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Old 12-09-2015, 07:28 PM   #7
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We see the larger picture, were telling you the larger picture is stupid. You have a guy in Sting that could have been put over by HHH to then put over Rollins. Then you have Rollins vs HHH start from Rollins believing he is better than HHH because he could beat Sting and HHH couldn't.

The way it went down was just a waste of Sting, HHH, The NWO, and DX. It did nothing for Rollins as Sting had not been booked properly enough for that match to even matter let alone the fact that he just jobbed to Cena. All in all 2015 has been a pretty bad year as far as booking goes for WWE.
Wasnt a waste at all. Every report I read was that people enjoyed the surprise of seeing those guys live. Made for a special moment.

The storyline with Rollins doesnt work if HHH is constantly losing. He just came off a year where he did nothing but count lights - against Bryan and The Shield. At some point he needed to get his heat back if he's going to be setting a bar for Rollins to live up to as champion. The payoff for a HHH v Rollins match would have been a Mania caliber match. The payoff for Sting (had he won) vs Rollins would have been at best a B show like Extreme Rules.
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Also I have no problem with HHH going over when its right for a story but him going over Sting wasn't one of those stories.
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Old 12-09-2015, 08:40 AM   #11
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Yep people hate HHH's guts thats why they heap endless praise on his show that's why we can't wait till Vince leaves and that's why Squared circle sent the guy a fruit basket pure, unbridled hatred of the IWC.
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Yep people hate HHH's guts thats why they heap endless praise on his show that's why we can't wait till Vince leaves and that's why Squared circle sent the guy a fruit basket pure, unbridled hatred of the IWC.
People love HHH the NXT guy, but hate HHH the in ring WWE performer. Well, that is when he wins. God forbid the guy wins a match.
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People love HHH the NXT guy, but hate HHH the in ring WWE performer. Well, that is when he wins. God forbid the guy wins a match.
Yeah he's really hard done by
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Yeah he's really hard done by
Who said he is?

He's a multi millionaire and will inherit a billion dollar business. He doesn't care if those types of fans hate him.
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Remember when people on the board were thinking if and actually liking the idea of Triple H getting the strap going to Mania 30 to be the one to put over Daniel Bryan. Such hatred.
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I wanted HHH to beat Bryan at Mania and have a Evolution main event, but that's just because I couldn't stand Daniel Bryan.
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I wanted HHH to beat Bryan at Mania and have a Evolution main event, but that's just because I couldn't stand Daniel Bryan.
Which is fine, but puts you in the minority. I'm just saying most people get their backs up against the wall when he wins a match.
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Which brings me to my next question. Defend HHH beating Punk during the summer of punk when there was no reason for H to win.

Well no reason other than the reason you will surely make up.
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Which brings me to my next question. Defend HHH beating Punk during the summer of punk when there was no reason for H to win.

Well no reason other than the reason you will surely make up.
Oh you don't know. The legend... HHH... the guy who feuded with top guys like Rock, Austin, Taker, HBK, Cena and Lesnar and essentially retired Mick Foley and is considered by most to be one of the top superstars of the Attitude Era... he needed that win to get his heat back, or maintain his heat... or something...
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Which brings me to my next question. Defend HHH beating Punk during the summer of punk when there was no reason for H to win.

Well no reason other than the reason you will surely make up.
I'm sure you like CM Punk and buy into his own hype, but he never reached the level HHH did, so I have no problem with HHH going over Punk because H is the bigger star.

If you look at the Mania plans for that year, that was heading into the Taker-HHH Hell in a Cell Match. You need HHH to be strong for that. That was the period where it could be argued The Streak was the biggest thing on the show, bigger than the title. I believe that was also the show with Cena-Rock, so at best Punk was going to be in the #3 hole.

So yeah, from a pecking order standpoint, it made perfect sense. The loss didnt hurt Punk in the slightest.
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I'm sure you like CM Punk and buy into his own hype, but he never reached the level HHH did, so I have no problem with HHH going over Punk because H is the bigger star.

If you look at the Mania plans for that year, that was heading into the Taker-HHH Hell in a Cell Match. You need HHH to be strong for that. That was the period where it could be argued The Streak was the biggest thing on the show, bigger than the title. I believe that was also the show with Cena-Rock, so at best Punk was going to be in the #3 hole.

So yeah, from a pecking order standpoint, it made perfect sense. The loss didnt hurt Punk in the slightest.
Why is it you think that anytime HHH wins we lose our shit?This isn't hard to understand, when it makes sense for him to win you won't hear a peep from all but the most anti of HHH fans. But the situations we've all pointed to it makes NO sense that he walked away with a victory that does not equate to "we never want him to win a match because he is wrestling's Satan " And as for HHH v Taker no one wanted to see that as it had been done already(didn't mean much then and meant nothing now and HHH isn't on the level of an HBK v Taker or Sting v Taker.
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Why is it you think that anytime HHH wins we lose our shit?This isn't hard to understand, when it makes sense for him to win you won't hear a peep from all but the most anti of HHH fans. But the situations we've all pointed to it makes NO sense that he walked away with a victory that does not equate to "we never want him to win a match because he is wrestling's Satan " And as for HHH v Taker no one wanted to see that as it had been done already(didn't mean much then and meant nothing now and HHH isn't on the level of an HBK v Taker or Sting v Taker.
Did you actually see HHH vs Taker? Crowd seemed to enjoy it. Mania did a big buyrate.

Curious to see where you got your "no one wanted to see that" information from.

I just explained why HHH beating Punk made sense. #2 match participant beats #3 match participant.
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I just explained why HHH beating Punk made sense. #2 match participant beats #3 match participant.
So wait, with the exception of Cena, no current main event guys can beat the previous generations main event guys?

Yeah, that will help get new talent over with the crowd and over the hump.
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Did you actually see HHH vs Taker? Crowd seemed to enjoy it. Mania did a big buyrate.
Yea they came to see Taker fight HHH again not John Cena facing the The Rock for the first time lol.

big byrate all thanks to HHH.
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I'm sure you like CM Punk and buy into his own hype, but he never reached the level HHH did, so I have no problem with HHH going over Punk because H is the bigger star.

If you look at the Mania plans for that year, that was heading into the Taker-HHH Hell in a Cell Match. You need HHH to be strong for that. That was the period where it could be argued The Streak was the biggest thing on the show, bigger than the title. I believe that was also the show with Cena-Rock, so at best Punk was going to be in the #3 hole.

So yeah, from a pecking order standpoint, it made perfect sense. The loss didnt hurt Punk in the slightest.
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Old 12-09-2015, 08:40 PM   #27
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Well yeah he needed to look strong for his feud against Kevin Nash.
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How does Sting beating HHH hurt HHH? If your long term goal is HHH vs Rollins, you can still have Rollins go over Sting, who now looks a bit more credible challenging for a world title in 2015 because he beat The Game and then have Rollins work that into his HHH feud, simple jab like "Well I beat Sting, did you?" and you have a plot point there. Instead neither guy gets any kind of rub from Sting because he's evidently a massive jobber and there's nothing to draw from. Filler. HHH is the heel authority figure, he's not going to lose his heat just because he loses his one match a year after going over nearly every week.
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Old 12-09-2015, 10:25 PM   #29
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How does Sting beating HHH hurt HHH? If your long term goal is HHH vs Rollins, you can still have Rollins go over Sting, who now looks a bit more credible challenging for a world title in 2015 because he beat The Game and then have Rollins work that into his HHH feud, simple jab like "Well I beat Sting, did you?" and you have a plot point there. Instead neither guy gets any kind of rub from Sting because he's evidently a massive jobber and there's nothing to draw from. Filler. HHH is the heel authority figure, he's not going to lose his heat just because he loses his one match a year after going over nearly every week.
First, HHH had lost multiple matches prior to The Sting match. You can only take so many consecutive losses before you lose shine.

Second, the storyline with Rollins was HHH is like having Tom Brady as a mentor. You are trying to live up to someone who has achieved everything there is to achieve. If HHH had lost to Sting, and Rollins beat Sting, you are telling a different story. HHH isnt Tom Brady, he's like Phillip Rivers, good, but not great. So, great, Rollins can beat someone who is above average. Thats not nearly as effective as him beating someone who is presented as a true legend.

Third, Sting wasnt going to be around. If Sting was scheduled to work 6 months, and go on the road, sure it would make sense. But he was never going to do that.
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First, HHH had lost multiple matches prior to The Sting match. You can only take so many consecutive losses before you lose shine.

Second, the storyline with Rollins was HHH is like having Tom Brady as a mentor. You are trying to live up to someone who has achieved everything there is to achieve. If HHH had lost to Sting, and Rollins beat Sting, you are telling a different story. HHH isnt Tom Brady, he's like Phillip Rivers, good, but not great. So, great, Rollins can beat someone who is above average. Thats not nearly as effective as him beating someone who is presented as a true legend.

Third, Sting wasnt going to be around. If Sting was scheduled to work 6 months, and go on the road, sure it would make sense. But he was never going to do that.
I have no idea who Tom Brady or Phillip Rivers are, but a single loss to the biggest babyface in the history of WCW is not going to make Triple H go from GOAT to meh. You seem to not place any value at all on Sting, so please explain the genius reasoning behind bringing him in at all.

HHH goes over strong on TV every week, it doesn't matter that he loses his Mania moment because it doesn't change that he's in charge and he usually gets the upper hand and his losses don't even matter. He's not an active wrestler, he doesn't need to win matches or even wrestle to get shine. That makes about as much sense as when they kept putting Cole over Lawler and then that was the end of that dumb commentator feud, no pay off for the babyface and all that heel build for nothing.
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Old 12-10-2015, 12:45 AM   #31
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Are you seriously downplaying the awesomeness of the HIAC match at WM28?
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:09 AM   #32
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No. It was fun to watch but neither of his encounters meant much when compared to HBK v Taker which was built as two men with something to lose and HBK desperate to do the seemingly impossible.

HHH v Taker first encounter was about HHH defending the honor of his fallen man-crush
the second was about Taker showing his dominance.

Neither had much weight add to that the fact that he has in fact beaten HHH before and going up against a Cena V Rock match well.....
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:21 AM   #33
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Lol big buyrate. I guess the Rock wrestling for the first time at Mania in 8 years and closing the show for the first time since WM17 (11years) wasn't the draw there. Jesus.
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:26 AM   #34
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I also can't see the value in having CM Punk, the hottest act they had that year, losing to a pretty much semi retired Triple H, who shortly went right back on the shelf after winning the match. Completely needless. Punk was clearly the number 2 in the company. What logic is there to have him lose on a B show to a semi retired wrestler? Where does that forward the business on a budding star the company was in desperate need of?
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:32 AM   #35
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The reason why the WrestleMania 30 buyrate was so low was because HHH lost to Curtis Axel back in June.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:47 AM   #36
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The reason why the WrestleMania 30 buyrate was so low was because HHH lost to Curtis Axel back in June.
Exactly! If HHH hadn't lost to Axel that one time on RAW, HHH's status as a legend and drawing power would've been secure and WM30 would've been way more successful.

It had nothing to do with the predictability of the likely outcome of the main event after WWE backed themselves into a corner creatively with Bryan, the lack of CM Punk, etc.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:22 PM   #37
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The reason why the Mania 30 buyrate was so low was because HHH lost to Curtis Axel back in June.
Your damn right, Axel should have been in Bryans spot.
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So exactly what was that line meant to convey? If you're not trying to tie buyrate into the match, why mention buyrate?
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So exactly what was that line meant to convey? If you're not trying to tie buyrate into the match, why mention buyrate?
It was a good build involving a stip people cared about, with characters that were over, so I believe it helped draw the number. It wasn't the sole factor or even the biggest fair, but it was a factor. Much bigger factor than Punk's contribution to the show.
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To be fair to HHH, CM Punk loses to all returning legends.
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