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Old 07-13-2007, 11:10 PM   #1
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How can you possibly expect Sony to outduel Nintendo in the handheld console market? I have a PSP and I like it very much and I think Sony has put out a good product. I have just as much fun with my DS. I like Sony at least attempting to make a name for themselves in a market that was pretty much taken over by another company completely.
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Old 07-13-2007, 11:28 PM   #2
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Old 07-13-2007, 11:50 PM   #3
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I do. I enjoy the logic there a lot. Though I agree with the first statement.
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Old 07-13-2007, 11:54 PM   #4
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I just like seeing more than one company in the market, thats all. The logic may be a bit flawed, yes.
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Old 07-14-2007, 01:38 AM   #5
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Er, PSP has been heavily improving recently in sales. UMD was almost gone for movies, an now it is making a resurgence in sales and is being brought back to stores that quit selling them. Plus they announced a new PSP model. Explain to me how that equates to the PSP not doing good or the UMD being canned?
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Old 07-14-2007, 01:41 AM   #6
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Also, in terms of consoles, the PS3 is lagging because it is the most expensive AND the hardest to develop for. Once a permanent price drop comes in and developers find easier ways to create software (which ALWAYS happens around the 2nd or 3rd generation of titles for a console), PS3 will take off. Most industry experts say tha PS3 will stay behind in sales and what-not until 2009-2010, then will blow past the 360 and Wii, and crush them horribly in the long-run.
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Old 07-16-2007, 03:49 AM   #7
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Hmm...

I can't help but think that we're forgetting that Sony had a 20GB PS3 and that that model is mysteriously MIA right now.

Could it be that whoever first "broke" the story fucked up in what they were discontinuing, or could it actually BE the 60GB that is being axed, or is the original reporter (not the guy who posted this) neatly tried to lie to fuck up Sony?

Something tells me they meant to say 20GB instead of the 60GB one.
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Hmm...

I can't help but think that we're forgetting that Sony had a 20GB PS3 and that that model is mysteriously MIA right now.

Could it be that whoever first "broke" the story fucked up in what they were discontinuing, or could it actually BE the 60GB that is being axed, or is the original reporter (not the guy who posted this) neatly tried to lie to fuck up Sony?

Something tells me they meant to say 20GB instead of the 60GB one.
Unfortunatly not, they already announced a while back the 20gb model had been discontinued.

http://ps3.joystiq.com/2007/07/14/ps...learance-sale/

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As the story played out on Friday, there were many people at E3 scrambling to get what the real story was and comparing notes on the madness we had heard the night before. Most conversations regarding the subject started with, "There's no way it could be true." But here we are -- if the 80GB model doesn't receive a similar price drop, we'll be stuck with a new package for the PS3 at the old price of $599.
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Old 07-16-2007, 08:46 AM   #9
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Hmm...

I can't help but think that we're forgetting that Sony had a 20GB PS3 and that that model is mysteriously MIA right now.

Could it be that whoever first "broke" the story fucked up in what they were discontinuing, or could it actually BE the 60GB that is being axed, or is the original reporter (not the guy who posted this) neatly tried to lie to fuck up Sony?

Something tells me they meant to say 20GB instead of the 60GB one.
Could be, except you know....The rest of us are aware.

The 20GB has been discontinued. For a long time. It also doesn't fit with the "Single Sku" method they've mentioned. Since, you know, that would still mean that there were two Sku's. Very specific stuff mentioned in this very thread.

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Old 07-16-2007, 06:08 PM   #10
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Could be, except you know....The rest of us are aware.

The 20GB has been discontinued. For a long time. It also doesn't fit with the "Single Sku" method they've mentioned. Since, you know, that would still mean that there were two Sku's. Very specific stuff mentioned in this very thread.

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Just a thought, but maybe the guy that wrote that article never realized that AND fucked up the reporting.

We see it all the time. It's called Fox News.
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Just a thought, but maybe the guy that wrote that article never realized that AND fucked up the reporting.
Just a thought, that's fucking stupid, given the actual QUOTES in here referring to the single SKU issue.

You know what's a lot like Fox news around here?

Your posts. You don't look at the info and perpetuate that which you wish to without regard for the evidence. Don't talk about Fox News, or any other inaccurate source, until you grow a fucking brain.
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Just a thought, that's fucking stupid, given the actual QUOTES in here referring to the single SKU issue.

You know what's a lot like Fox news around here?

Your posts. You don't look at the info and perpetuate that which you wish to without regard for the evidence. Don't talk about Fox News, or any other inaccurate source, until you grow a fucking brain.
When did my posts suddenly become your worst enemy. I'm not spewing THAT much "incoherency", am I? Oh wait, I'm the next Alienoid to you, which, for some weird reason, you hate for no reason, and here I thought you were on my side for alot of these things.

Here's the deal: Yeah, I wasn't caught up on the "discontinuation" of the 20GB model which, apparently, they did eons ago. I can't read anything on that site because I don't know that language. I'm sorry if I wasn't made aware of this way beforehand.

Doesn't mean I have any less of a brain than you have. I just have less of an ego than you have.
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Old 07-16-2007, 03:13 PM   #13
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So with this clearance, does this mean that they're not making any more games for it, or can you still play games but have less GBs?
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So with this clearance, does this mean that they're not making any more games for it, or can you still play games but have less GBs?
Can I ask you a serious question?

How is it possible for you to function in your own life when you're clearly mentally handicapped?
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Ms Wadding can I ask you a serious quesiton?

How is it possible for you to function in your own life when you're clearly too obese to do anything? When's the last time you could look down and see your penis without moving the fat. I think I saw you on A&E once. I think the show was called the One Tonne Man.



As for the topic at hand. As I said, I dont' keep up with the video game shit but I don't see why dropping the price of a system they're trying to get rid of is shooting themself in the foot. In business, if you aren't making any more product and you need to get rid of the remain stock, you clearance it at a lower price.

Now I'm not sure if the system they're selling at the reduced price in favour of the better one can still play new games it puts out. Is it a product they're just completely abandoning, games and all? Or is it just a system with not enough computerish capabilities for what customers want, but can still play new games?
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Ms Wadding can I ask you a serious quesiton?

How is it possible for you to function in your own life when you're clearly too obese to do anything? When's the last time you could look down and see your penis without moving the fat. I think I saw you on A&E once. I think the show was called the One Tonne Man.



As for the topic at hand. As I said, I dont' keep up with the video game shit but I don't see why dropping the price of a system they're trying to get rid of is shooting themself in the foot. In business, if you aren't making any more product and you need to get rid of the remain stock, you clearance it at a lower price.

Now I'm not sure if the system they're selling at the reduced price in favour of the better one can still play new games it puts out. Is it a product they're just completely abandoning, games and all? Or is it just a system with not enough computerish capabilities for what customers want, but can still play new games?
Still missing the point.
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Stickman, the Gigs have nothing to do with the games. Games that work on the 20Gb and the 60 Gb model will work on the 80 Gb model, and vice versa.
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Europe isn't going to get the 80gb model because "it isn't worth it".

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/16/sc...-not-worth-it/

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Look out, Reggie and Pete! If Sony Computer Entertainment Europe president David Reeves keeps it up he's going to take the lead as our favorite executive. First there was the fire sale incident, which you may have heard something about. Now there's this interview with Dagbladet TV. When asked why there's no 80 GB PS3 in Europe (at about 3:40 in), he actually responds: "You know, the difference between 60 and the 80 gigabyte is very small. We just feel that going up 20 gigabyte is not worth it. If you're going to double it, it's worth it. So maybe you'll see something a little bit later, but 60 and 80? Really not much difference."
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By the way, this came from Gamepro's website about this:



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by GamePro Staff | 07/16/2007 | 12:42:41 PM PST GamePro speaks with Sony's Dave Karraker to get the company's self-examination of their 2007 E3 performance in addition to 60GB PS3 availability and Chewbacca cameos.

Chewbacca holding the new PSP at E3

"I suppose I would have to give us an 'A' for the press conference; I assume our competitors will give themselves an 'A' too, so I would hate to not follow suit," Karraker said in candid form. "I think we really listened to gamers on this one and showed them what they wanted."

By listening, the Sony spokesman was directly referring to the oft criticized high PS3 price and lack of attractive games. "For the PS3, those gamers said they wanted a lower price, so we delivered," he said. "They wanted more games, so we showed them nearly 30 of the 120 titles coming to PS3 this fiscal year.

"In regards to building excitement for the system, I think we delivered."

With regards to Nintendo's and Microsoft's conferences, the Sony executive stayed classy.

"I didn't see anything but snippets of the other two company's press conferences, so I can't really give a fair evaluation," Karraker said. "Sounds like Nintendo had some interesting news on the peripheral side. Microsoft made a nice buzz with Halo 3.

"At the end of the day, I can only judge our own press conference and if we achieved our goals... Did I mention we were the only company to have Chewbacca give their CEO a hug on stage? Can't beat that with ewok."

Indeed they were. On the topic of the newly discounted now discontinued 60GB PS3, Karraker had this to say:

"I am disappointed that news related to the 60GB in North America didn't come from our market. We have ample supply to last us for months and months, so any upheaval over the stop in manufacturing of this model is ill-placed. As we said on Friday, we won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated."
Hopefully "months and months" means until at least 2008.
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One thing that makes me wonder, is that they had to have the removal of the 60gb in mind when they said they're hoping to sell 11 million by the end of the year.

Honestly, they know how well it's been selling at 599, so I'm wondering how much of that number is projection of the 60 gbs left, and how many of that number is how much they plan to sell of the new model by the end of the year.
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One thing that makes me wonder, is that they had to have the removal of the 60gb in mind when they said they're hoping to sell 11 million by the end of the year.

Honestly, they know how well it's been selling at 599, so I'm wondering how much of that number is projection of the 60 gbs left, and how many of that number is how much they plan to sell of the new model by the end of the year.
They probably plan to sell the 60 GB model off entirely by the end of the year, and are banking on decreased costs moving them. At only 100 bucks more than the elite, it seems like more of a value.

This is just an educated guess.

They've already shipped something like 2-3 times the number of units sold, so there's a lot of wiggle room in those figures.
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