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#41 |
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Yeah exactly which is why I had the question in mind in the first place. What could they have possibly done to get down from the top of the cell that would've been exciting or believable? Just climbing down wouldn't work.
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#42 |
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It would work, just have been boring. When Foley got thrown off they weren't supposed to go back up you have to assume. But with his brain being all fucked I really dont think he was plannig to far ahead. The rest is history...
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#43 |
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How much after the first bump through the Spanish announce table was planned? If bringing in the stretcher and having Foley get off the stretcher to prove his toughness was part of the plan, it would seem silly to not have the next step planned. Alright Mick get off the stretcher aaaaaand improvise!
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#44 |
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The stretcher wasn't planned to my knowledge...
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#45 |
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*wasn't
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#46 |
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To me this match created a disappointment for me in the HIAC matches to come. Both of Foley's bumps in this match gave me a want to buy PPVs when a HIAC match was to be broadcasted. However, no one would ever be as crazy as Foley. After each HIAC I would be upset becuase no one was thrown off or put through. The WWE reshaped my mindset though when Brock Lesnar wrestled Taker in the cell. They made me enjoy HIAC matches once again, though nobody took a hellacious bump.
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#47 |
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Lesnar/Taker was sooooooooooooooooo good.
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#48 |
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I swear to god I read or heard somehwere Foley wispered to Taker to throw him off when they were up there. grrr, I'm going to find this.
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#49 |
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Also, this was the first match where Foley wore a shirt over his Mankind gear. Probably to hide the padding!
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#50 |
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Why would he need padding? He knows how to fall!
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#51 |
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Okay, so I dug out Foley's 1st book and checked the part where he talks about HIAC 98. When originally discussing it with Funker, he suggests starting on top of the cell and being thrown off and Foley responds with 'Yeah, then I could climb back up-and he could throw me off again'. It's in a joking way to start with but the Funk bit finishes with "after a while I got serious and said quietly to Terry 'I think I can do it'. Also, just the way he talks about it combined with the fact he doesn't once mention it wasn't planned (which I'm pretty sure he would if that was the case) confirms it for me
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#52 | |
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Quote:
Foley and Taker agreed that to top the original hell in a cell match, a good way to start it would be on the top of the cage, and also with a huge spot. The start was planned with him throwing Foley off the top. It then would have wound up in the cell or whatever. However, as we know that first fall was a lot further than they thought it would be, and he landed badly. After being knocked out, he impulsively went back up there to restart the match up on top where it was supposed to start. As you could see early on, the roof of the cage wasn't supporting the weight of the two sizely men. The cell had never been traveled to the top of, so it wasn't engineered for that. They had no clue it would be so vulnerable. As you can see a few times they almost go through on their own weight and begin to use careful footing on the structural beams instead of the chainlink panels. The chokeslam, which was pretty dumb of them (especially the conscious taker) knowing the weakness of the cell just from their own weight, naturally broke the cage material and he fell unexpectedly to the mat. And in response to whoever said it was rigged with hinges, you are wrong. The future hell in a cells that used the same spot were hinged. This one was purely an accident, and as you can see the cage rips and doesnt do so very neatly. It appears the cage was attached to the structure with twist ties, probably metal ones. Last edited by Jeritron; 06-16-2008 at 10:42 AM. |
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#53 |
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He wasn't knocked out from the first fall. His shoulder was hurting (dislocated) and he had pain in his kidney but he thought it went well. The second bump knocked him out (for the first time in his career) Also, he didn't land badly. He missed the monitors, which was his main concern and felt it went 'as well as it possiby could'
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#54 |
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#55 |
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I thought they only made it to the edge of it?
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#57 |
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Okay. This is a pair of screenshots I took from the Undertaker Tombstone DVD.
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#58 |
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Yea. It was a mistake. I don't think that thing was meant to hold two 300+ pounders on it, let alone one of them thrown onto it.
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#59 |
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This match is 15 years old. DAMN.
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#60 |
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Motivation for bumping this thread: http://deadspin.com/hey-its-15-years...-thr-611685778
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#62 |
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#63 |
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I remember reading somewhere that the match was actually supposed to end with the first bump, and that's why 'Taker was climbing down the side of the cell. Foley didn't want to disappoint the fans, so he went back up to the top. It's been years since I read that though, so I could be mistaken.
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#64 |
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#65 |
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So is it going to be Mark Henry VS. Undertaker at Mania in a cell?
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#66 |
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Mick will be scheduled to be the guest ref but he will die due to poor health a few weeks before 'Mania.
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Classic Mick. Always willing to put over the other guy.
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#68 |
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He sensed that Bearer's death was a boost this year, he's just a team player
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#69 |
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The WWF ring at the time had much less give than it does today. I can't for the life of me think that the spot was planned. He's lucky he's still walking.
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#72 |
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If it was planned, Foley would be best served going to his grave saying that it wasn't. It just adds to the mystique of the match. Why ruin that?
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He got thrown off the top of a cage through an annouce table and then bounced off the ring later. Pretty much anything he could say wouldn't ruin it.
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#74 |
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Such a hard bump:
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"That panel wasn't supposed to break loose." -Mark Calloway |
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#77 |
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As far as adding to it though... I mean, the discussion of whether it was planned or not is what's got us talking about it right now. It definitely would add to the mystique if it were planned to never admit to it and keep people guessing.
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Would it really though? Is someone's DVD purchase based on whether or not the second bump was planned?
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No but my youtube views are
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#80 |
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It definitely adds to the mystique of it. I didn't say it would be a big plan to make more money off of it or anything. But like I said, we're having the discussion 15 years later about whether that bump was real or not.
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