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Old 12-13-2012, 01:33 PM   #1
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I will happily knock John Cena for ignoring the effects of whatever moves his opponent has done, during the final stages of the match. I am fully aware the likes of Hogan also did this, but he was also horrible in the ring.

An example of somebody selling while also winning the match, would be Lesnar giving Angle the F5 on one leg. If Cena has ever done anything like this, I must've missed it.

I will knock Rey Mysterio matches, when it's impossible to tell who was the one doing the move, until the commentators call it.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:37 PM   #2
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You're off on a tangent now, Jabba.

I'm just talking about storytelling based on a signature move. You can't knock Orton's psychology because of one move you find unrealistic without knocking a shitload of guys who you'd probably agree are great.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:44 PM   #3
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You're off on a tangent now, Jabba.
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Are you gonna knock everyone else's in-ring storytelling because of unrealistic moves?
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I'm just talking about storytelling based on a signature move. You can't knock Orton's psychology because of one move you find unrealistic without knocking a shitload of guys who you'd probably agree are great.
I gave you several moves that are either poorly executed, or make no logical sense, which make up roughly 75% of Randy's moveset. It's not just one move.

If "telling a story" is accomplished by cracking open the skulls of the audience and spooning out their suspension of disbelief, then I guess I'm just plain wrong.
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You're off on a tangent now, Jabba.

I'm just talking about storytelling based on a signature move. You can't knock Orton's psychology because of one move you find unrealistic without knocking a shitload of guys who you'd probably agree are great.
First of all, we can't knock Orton's in-ring psychology because he doesn't have any. Secondly, Jab pointed out the complete nonsense of Orton's general move-set -- outside of the wrestling classic that is "walk around your downed opponent and step on his appendages", but that's just technical mastery.

And again, we've both said we'd knock anybody who clings to a blatantly unbelievable move, so what the hell is your position?
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First of all, we can't knock Orton's in-ring psychology because he doesn't have any.
lol. Best argument I've heard all day.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:39 PM   #6
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...What the fuck are you talking about?
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...What the fuck are you talking about?
Go up and read how it started. lol

I'll quote for you if you need...
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So you don't think Taker is a good storyteller.

The British Bulldog did a stalling suplex. Another move that requires the guy he's suplexing to keep perfect balance as just shifting his weight slightly would fuck it up. So he's a shitty storyteller.

Mysterio, we've discussed. Shitty storyteller.

Would you agree to all these?
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So you don't think Taker is a good storyteller.

The British Bulldog did a stalling suplex. Another move that requires the guy he's suplexing to keep perfect balance as just shifting his weight slightly would fuck it up. So he's a shitty storyteller.

Mysterio, we've discussed. Shitty storyteller.

Would you agree to all these.
I still don't get what point you're arguing that we'e not agreed to. I already said there are more things I'd hold against taker than the Old School thing. So...yeah, I'm sure there's better than him.

However, you're still acting like anything in Orton's arsenal isn't cringe-worthy outside of his backbreaker, and even that's had bad days. Orton's a bad storyteller because he's a bad professional wrestler.
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However, you're still acting like anything in Orton's arsenal isn't cringe-worthy outside of his backbreaker, and even that's had bad days. Orton's a bad storyteller because he's a bad professional wrestler.
You find the RKO cringe-worthy??
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You find the RKO cringe-worthy??
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If you're not clinging to one move to knock a guy's body of work then I'M NOT DIRECTING IT TO YOU! I'm arguing Jabba's point. lol

If you ARE doing that, then that's a silly knock on a pro wrestler.
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I dunno, Orton was pretty good at punching the mat... prior to his shoulder injuries. Now that just looks embarrassing.
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I dunno, Orton was pretty good at punching the mat... prior to his shoulder injuries. Now that just looks embarrassing.
Yeah I think HBK was better at stomping the mat before SCM when he was younger too. Embarrassing. Grown man stomping the mat. That hack.
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I missed the show where HBK blew out his hip while hyping his superkick.
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The reason he's a fucking awesome storyteller is because he does shit for a reason. His Mark Henry matches were a good example. They weren't the typical WWE paint-by-numbers matches everyone was doing. Especially the Hell in a Cell match. It made Henry look like a million bucks. Orton played the "mega-face" who just gave everything he had but couldn't quite overcome the monster in the end and the entire match built up to that finish. He seems to understand the fact that a wresting match isn't just a bunch of meaningless shit thrown together for 15 minutes before a minute long finishing sequence.
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Orton played the "mega-face" who just gave everything he had but couldn't quite overcome the monster in the end
So Orton's stellar storytelling ability is really just the way he's booked?
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I don't recall ever thinking "HBK is holding back at stomping the floor, because he's scared to injure himself, to the extent that it looks silly and pointless".
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Yeah. Orton really gets pro wrestling.
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I'm glad we could finally come to this agreement.
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There's like... a paragraph there. You should read it.
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There's like... a paragraph there. You should read it.
I'll remember to quote the entire post next time, so it doesn't appear that I'm skimming you.

Any wrestler can tell a story they're handed, via booking. If someone took a dump in Orton's bag, live on Raw, I expect even he could pull off "wrestling angry" on Smackdown. That doesn't make him a good storyteller.

He doesn't make me believe in any of his moves, or where/when/why/how he executes them. I don't feel pulled into the show, when I'm watching Randy Orton "wrestle".
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Not any wrestler can tell a story they're handed via booking. If that's the case, there's no difference between The Great Khali and Ric Flair outside of how they're booked. There's a typical "we've got 15 minutes to waste before we 'go home'" match and then there's actually doing everything for a reason that helps lead to a climax.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:09 PM   #25
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He doesn't make me believe in any of his moves, or where/when/why/how he executes them. I don't feel pulled into the show, when I'm watching Randy Orton "wrestle".
Welp... I do. And a lot of other people do. Including wrestlers who list Orton as one of if not the best psychologist.

So uh... I find your opinion to be shit.

lol. Seriously don't know what other response you want from a way you do or don't feel...
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:07 PM   #26
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It talks about how he played the role. Kind of the important part.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:09 PM   #27
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I was being sarcastic. Probably should have told you.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:13 PM   #28
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The irony in that post is fucking amazing. lol
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:25 PM   #29
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There's like... kind of three paragraphs there. You should read them.
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There's like... kind of three paragraphs there. You should read them.
lol... You want me to reply to the rest of that deep and very precise argument you laid out? Alright, one second...
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Popular opinion happens to be wrong, in this instance. It's not that uncommon.
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Nuh uh
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:35 PM   #34
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You know whose matches make sense?

Antonio Cesaro
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:40 PM   #35
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I was gonna guess Sin Cara, but I guess Cesaro works too.
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Old 12-13-2012, 05:13 PM   #36
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Cesaro seems pretty good in the ring, but I haven't seen enough to say he's the best just yet.

I can say that they need to pick a good character for him, and stick with it, instead of experimenting with different things while he's a champion. Isn't that what developmental is supposed to be for?

No sooner did they change his music to a suitable lady's man theme, did he immediately ditch the woman on his arm. I'm glad they're toning down the five languages thing, though.

Also, his finisher is seemingly the least impressive move that he does. The knee-tralizer, as I like to call it, seems to only attack the most padded part of his opponent's body. He has plenty of other impressive moves I'd rather see as his finisher.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:10 PM   #37
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Cesaro may not be the best in ring performer yet but his workrate far surpasses any that Randy Orton has had in his career except when transitioning from heel/face for the first time. By far Orton was at his best then for me. Besides ADR and CM Punk being top workrates and best in the ring. Cesaro and Daniel Bryan are nipping close behind on their heels.
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Cesaro's theme is pretty boss, too. I don't understand any of it, but it's got a nice feel to it. I'm pretty sure they used a sample from Dean Malenko's 007 theme in it too, which is bonus points in my book.
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