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Old 12-26-2016, 05:08 PM   #121
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Oh. In that case jericho. If it's for favorite instead of best.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:08 PM   #122
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Please change the title of the thread to "Who was your favourite wrestler in 2016?"

There.

Silly argument over.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:09 PM   #123
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Nah seriously it's totes still AJ.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:11 PM   #124
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Oh. In that case jericho.
I kind of think that the current Jericho is a bit silly, but the way he's kind of tied all his characters together is kind of remarkable. It was only listening to SCG Radio's Christmas Show when Karl made those remarks about Jericho's lists (plural) that it all sort of became clear to me. He's WCW Jericho, WWF Jericho and 2008 Jericho all rolled into one (in different parts).

Jericho's doing the whole "entertaining himself" thing, but not to the degree that he isn't credible. In fact, he's had a really good year. I would love to see him get a US Title run.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:12 PM   #125
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Y2AJ Tag Team of the Year? Lol, just kidding.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:17 PM   #126
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Don't say that too loud! Nah, just kidding -- good answer.

It's actually surreal that he has made such a big believer out of Vince McMahon in such a short time.
Who has questioned AJ Styles as a choice? It's a good pick, not mine but a fine choice none the less. Only one who has had a problem with some ones pick is you and STD.
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Who has questioned AJ Styles as a choice? It's a good pick, not mine but a fine choice none the less. Only one who has had a problem with some ones pick is you and STD.
Holy shit. Resist, Noid. Resist. Imagine Emma on a beach. Think of Emma. Deep breaths.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:40 PM   #128
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Thank you. That concession that there is such a thing as a silly answer -- or an unfounded opinion -- goes a long way to proving my point. There is an interpretation to the question that would disqualify certain candidates from objective consideration.
Why is objectivity even an issue, though? Some preferred Matt Hardy, some preferred AJ Styles. There's nothing wrong with either answer, or any other, as long as it's not just thrown out there like your Rob Van Dam "joke."

This isn't that difficult, nor is there a reason for you to get so wound up about it.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:44 PM   #129
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Why is objectivity even an issue, though? Some preferred Matt Hardy, some preferred AJ Styles. There's nothing wrong with either answer, or any other, as long as it's not just thrown out there like your Rob Van Dam "joke."

This isn't that difficult, nor is there a reason for you to get so wound up about it.
Here's where he's got some great analogy for why he's not wound up and is really "just tearing you apart and having fun."

I just don't see the need to act like such a smarmy prick when people say they liked something different than you Noid.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:50 PM   #130
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Wrestling was shit all year and I think the ONLY thing I found entertaining was Matt Hardy. I can't NOT vote for Matt Hardy for that reason.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:50 PM   #131
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I'm not even trying to be an asshole about it, I'm legit curious.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:52 PM   #132
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I take that back. I've watched some of the Fashion Police vignettes and those were pretty entertaining. But they also make me sad for Johnny Curtis wasting away as a comedy character.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:54 PM   #133
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I find it very hard to believe that at no point in the year did you find anything but Matt Hardy to be entertaining.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:55 PM   #134
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:58 PM   #135
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'Member Chris Jericho?
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I watched something of his when this "list" thing became a thing. Sounded funny. Was whatever. Jericho is awesome but I give zero shits about what he's doing. He's Owens' lackey.
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If you actually watched and have not once this year been entertained by Chris Jericho, I either call you liar or the most negative/sour man in existence.
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Y2AJ Tag Team of the Year? Lol, just kidding.
Shatter Machine! Tag team of the year is the Revival!
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The CWC Tournament, DIY/Revival Brooklyn and Toronto, Rise of Asuka and Shinsuke Nakamura.
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If you actually watched and have not once this year been entertained by Chris Jericho, I either call you liar or the most negative/sour man in existence.
I said he is entertaining. He is also a jobber to the stars/lackey that I do not take seriously at this point within the realm of WWE. I can enjoy stuff from him when I hear about it via clips on Youtube the day after but I have no desire to follow him as a character because I know what he is.

Same with Fandango's stuff.
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So you lied when you said the only thing you found entertaining is Matt Hardy. Whew.
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Oh yeah. NXT was entertaining.
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So you lied when you said the only thing you found entertaining is Matt Hardy. Whew.
I did take that back in my very next post. And then STD did the first necessary correction of his TPWW career and reminded me of NXT as well.

But Matt is the only one whose character I've wanted to follow. Which is a HUGE selling point. Like I said, I've seen Youtube clips of Jericho and Fandango that were entertaining but their characters are both jobbers in their own way who don't really have anywhere to go. I watch a clip and I'm done caring. They're just entertaining directionless guys. Like a lot of the roster.
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I've watched WWE all year. I've enjoyed Jericho this year. Styles has been good but I've seen better from him. As is with #1 wwf fan and others no one in WWE entertained me more this year than Broken Matt Hardy in TNA. He made wrestling fun and unpredictable with his Broken Universe. Broken Matt Hardy is the wrestler that made me want to watch wrestling this year so to me he's wrestler of the year.
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Broken Matt is as entertaining as Z True Long Island Story. Either it's the funniest shit ever or stupid af. No middle ground.
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Man, what is with everyone taking everything so literally? These are some pedantic semantics in here.
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Why is objectivity even an issue, though? Some preferred Matt Hardy, some preferred AJ Styles. There's nothing wrong with either answer, or any other, as long as it's not just thrown out there like your Rob Van Dam "joke."

This isn't that difficult, nor is there a reason for you to get so wound up about it.
I'm one of "those people" who can put aside my own personal feelings on something when asked to rate it. For example, when it comes to Film of the Year, the best film is not always going to be my favorite film. This is where you get things like "guilty pleasures" and "unpopular opinions." When discussing films, music, wrestling or whatever, I always try to bring a bit of objectivity into it. I find that, frankly, more interesting than "my favorite is this" "oh, my favorite is this." There's a time and a place for that, and most places you can have that conversation concurrently.

If there is some disagreement there, like Rollermacka and #1-wwf-fan seem to have, I'm happy to have that conversation, since this is a wrestling discussion forum. I'd like to know the criteria by which Matt Hardy could possibly be considered the best wrestler of the year, because in MY opinion, it certainly hasn't been in-ring, on the mic, or as a draw.

And I know you didn't mean anything by it, but please don't assume I am wound up. As Dale said in another thread, and I could relate to him in this, it's frustrating when someone claims to know your mind in things. I've certainly been guilty of doing that to others, it's very easy during internet discussions, but as someone who gives no flying fucks about Matt Hardy and TNA anymore, I am more bemused by how upset his supporters get when you point out he is terrible. I find how seriously people seem to take this...troubling -- especially considering it's comedy garbage wrestling that he's doing.
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Broken Matt is as entertaining as Z True Long Island Story. Either it's the funniest shit ever or stupid af. No middle ground.
Eh, sorry to be difficult, but I could either take the Ryder stuff or leave it at the time. I think I watched a few and found them mildly entertaining.
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Shatter Machine! Tag team of the year is the Revival!
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I can see the points about Chris Jericho. He's overshadowing Owens rather easily, but he is playing a lackey. He's chewing the scenery, so while it is entertaining, it's not really...helping anything. I mean, it makes the wasted time more interesting while it passes.
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Jericho made me sad when he got upset at The Revival too.
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Jericho shouldn't be a lackey: He should be utilized at the level he's at: Our generation's Ric Flair.
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Noid's opinon is you are wrong and he is stating he facts/opinions. Stop being a bunch of girls.
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I'm one of "those people" who can put aside my own personal feelings on something when asked to rate it. For example, when it comes to Film of the Year, the best film is not always going to be my favorite film. This is where you get things like "guilty pleasures" and "unpopular opinions." When discussing films, music, wrestling or whatever, I always try to bring a bit of objectivity into it. I find that, frankly, more interesting than "my favorite is this" "oh, my favorite is this." There's a time and a place for that, and most places you can have that conversation concurrently.

If there is some disagreement there, like Rollermacka and #1-wwf-fan seem to have, I'm happy to have that conversation, since this is a wrestling discussion forum. I'd like to know the criteria by which Matt Hardy could possibly be considered the best wrestler of the year, because in MY opinion, it certainly hasn't been in-ring, on the mic, or as a draw.

And I know you didn't mean anything by it, but please don't assume I am wound up. As Dale said in another thread, and I could relate to him in this, it's frustrating when someone claims to know your mind in things. I've certainly been guilty of doing that to others, it's very easy during internet discussions, but as someone who gives no flying fucks about Matt Hardy and TNA anymore, I am more bemused by how upset his supporters get when you point out he is terrible. I find how seriously people seem to take this...troubling -- especially considering it's comedy garbage wrestling that he's doing.
I didn't mean being objective was a bad thing, I just don't see why you seem to think everyone else should also be objective when opining on their favorites. A lot of people watch wrestling as a TV show, so match quality and drawing power may not mean a whole lot - entertainment value will. So if someone thought Matt Hardy was more enjoyable than AJ Styles or whoever (I didn't), it's not a wrong answer.

That's my issue here. Saying things like "I don't see how this is a discussion" certainly makes it seem like you're wound up about it, especially after several people stated their reasons. You don't have to like it, but that doesn't mean you should tell people they're wrong because they did.
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Honestly, basically this. Matt Hardy sucks.
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Styles. Easily Styles for me with Daylight bringing up the next 3 spots. Jericho annoys me in a change the channel type way quite often and this year was no exception.

I enjoyed some of Owens work, interesting to see a chubby dude work that way for some reason. Oh actually an honorable mention to Sasha Banks as well, shes a mad woman and quite entertaining.
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Watching Styles portrayed as worthless chickenshit heel was so enjoyable it almost made Ambrose bearable. Almost.
At least with Hardy you are honestly wondering wtf will happen next.
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The fans turning on Ambrose for Styles is a good indicator of how awesome Styles has been.
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AJ Styles, he's carried WWE through out 2016. Every big match that you name or remember has AJ Styles name attached to it. RR he debuts, WM with Jericho, SS with Cena, Winning the title and then carrying the brand split.
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