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Old 12-25-2011, 05:48 PM   #1
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92 will forever be brilliant because it had the greatest promo of all time
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Old 12-25-2011, 07:24 PM   #3
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You think CM Punk is being held back. Of course you will like 1994.
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Old 12-26-2011, 12:58 AM   #4
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1994 was probably the worst year for wrestling in the past 30 years: the year Bret Hart became the biggest star in the WWF. Yuck.
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Old 12-26-2011, 06:27 AM   #5
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Wrestling is an industry built on "moments",

Hogan slamming Andre at WM3, any number of specific guys winning The Big One (thinking HBK @ WM12, Benoit @ WM20, etc), The Montreal Screwjob, Lesnar/Show (and Henry/Show) imploding the ring, Punk winning the belt in Chicago and "leaving", etc, etc.

MitB creates a "moment" when the briefcase is cashed in. Even a tease gets a big reaction from the live crowd.

That said, I can't help but feel that winning your first World Title via cash-in, as is the case most of the time, doesn't exactly lend itself to creating a credible champion. That has to come with booking both before and after cashing in.

Swagger was let down by having no build going into his MitB win, he had been doing nothing or jobbing right the way up to Mania, then he's MitB winner, a week later he's World Heavyweight Champion. How can the "mark" audience buy him as a credible champion.

That said, MitB can be used to great effect. Look at Edge, his whole "Ultimate Opportunist" gimmick came from cashing in MitB (twice) and Punk cashing in on Hardy started a heel turn and a great character.

As with everything in wrestling it's all in the execution of the booking.
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Old 12-26-2011, 06:53 AM   #6
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they should call it Cheap Win In A Cheap Breifcase.

CWIACB match
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Old 12-26-2011, 06:58 AM   #7
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Is there Money in a bank somewhere? Do they make a wire transfer after they win? Isn't it just a title shot on a rope?
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:10 PM   #8
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Is there Money in a bank somewhere? Do they make a wire transfer after they win? Isn't it just a title shot on a rope?
Fact: The original Money in the Bank was actually going to involve six wrestlers trying to break into a vault. Due to miscommunication, Shelton Benjamin was shot in a rehearsal and they had to change the plans at the last minute.

So they were all "fuck it, let's do a ladder match."
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:00 AM   #9
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If they really wanted to be creative, they could have someone break into the title holders house and pin them.
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Old 12-28-2011, 12:45 AM   #10
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If they really wanted to be creative, they could have someone break into the title holders house and pin them.
THAT would be good for wrestling.


It's all about the "swerve".


And swerves are really tough for a creative team.


We should give the WWE a break! There's nothing better than a twenty second match for the world championship!
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:57 AM   #11
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I think having someone cash in and lose can push them into the soptlight just as easy as them winning. It's the perfect reason for a heel turn and would have fit Bryan nicely IMO. But it can still be done with the likes of Kofi, Ryder later on once the shine wears off, Alex Riley,Zeke or others. Right now everyone thinks it's an automatic new champion. Another idea is to incorporate the other titles into the mix at the MITB PPV. Maybe not in the same type of ladder matches but other stuff like an 8 man elimination singles match with the winner getting the shot. Or a multiple person cage match where the first person to escape gets a shot at the IC belt or something. Then you could spread out the cash ins and have more big pops when the surprise happens.
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Old 12-27-2011, 05:14 AM   #12
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Or dilute the impact of each cash in?

Two is more than enough.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:08 AM   #13
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I'm certain that if the champion hadn't just been in a match and then put into a compromising position, the match would be longer than 20 seconds.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:22 AM   #14
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Exactly Juan. That is a whole lot of my point.


Some people have hammered me in this thread saying I have explained why it's not GOOD for wrestling but not specified why Money in the Bank is BAD for wrestling.



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I'm certain that if the champion hadn't just been in a match and then put into a compromising position, the match would be longer than 20 seconds.


BOOM. Exactly my thoughts.
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:10 AM   #15
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To be honest, I kinda smirked when I read "Hey guys, long time follower of wrestling".




Then again, "I've been a fan since I was a kid in 1996".


What's wrong with me is you're a fukking douche bag, and I'm calling you on it.




Kane Knight buried you for it because you throw stones.




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I've been watching American wrestling since 1994, and I would never call myself a "longtime follower", especially since I missed so much in the 80's.




You could have contributed but instead you were a fukking pric talking about how I am not a "long time follower" because I've only been watching for 15 years. Well pal, I hate to tell you but....








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To be fair, 15 years is a long time.

Especially since it's the majority of the lifespan of the majority of posters here.






aguakate, Kane Knight has 134 THOUSAND posts over you wow I'm starting to think he knows wrestling. What do you think, guys?


OMG. Send out some fireworks, aguakate just got owned twice in one thread. What a jerk
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:12 AM   #16
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Oh, ok.

I gotta stop throwing stones.
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:18 PM   #17
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Oh, ok.

I gotta stop throwing stones.
Or at least stop feeding obvious trolls.
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Old 01-08-2012, 12:38 AM   #18
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Or at least stop feeding obvious trolls.
Do you speak of me as a troll? I troll my own thread, demanding answers?


Thanks for your input, anyways
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:57 AM   #19
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Hey STD, can you name 10 people who you feel are at least "pretty sweet" in today's environment, in which we are all still fans?
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:12 AM   #20
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I said it wasn't good enough to become a fan in it. If you're already a fan it's easier to stick with it.

CM Punk, Dolph Ziggler, Vickie Guerrero, Zack Ryder, John Cena, Wade Barrett, Randy Orton (when he's heel), Kane, Mark Henry and Daniel Bryan.

Plus you got Tyler Black, Dean Ambrose and Claudio waiting in the wings. Things are looking up for the WWE right now.

1994 was a downtime except for WM10. It was the start of the downturn that nearly killed the company when WCW took over.
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I guess "it takes one to know one" goes right over Aguakate's non-married head.
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I guess "it takes one to know one" goes right over Aguakate's non-married head.
Pretty sure most things go over agua kite's head.
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