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Old 07-12-2009, 07:12 PM   #241
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Hendo was clearly still in the zone. He may have known he was k.o.ed but it was pretty clear he was still amped up. It's natural to follow up a knockdown punch with a follow up.

I actually like Bisping... I mean I was going for Hendo, but I like Mike. He got pwnd though, and the last punch was only an exclamation point. Hendo's only mistake was in the interview saying what he said... but I mean fuckit, he was pumped up, he just shutup the loudmouth for the time being.
If he said he was pumped up and didn't realise then there is no issue. That's the problem. He said he did know he was out (no matter what Reavant says).
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Old 07-12-2009, 07:14 PM   #242
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Go to espn.com and watch the mma live coverage where kenny florian and miguel torres interview him. He never said he knew before he threw the punch.
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Old 07-12-2009, 07:16 PM   #243
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Just watched the press conferebnce again on UFC.com and he said it was a "reaction in the moment" but hey your going to hear what you want to hear.
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Dan Henderson at the press conference

"when your in the heat of the moment, the ref hadnt stoped me yet, who knows whats going to happen. If hes going to recover or if theyre going to stop the fight. I really only hit him twice, once on the feet once on the ground. I didnt keep going I didnt go after the ref tried to stop me. It was just a reaction of mine to keep going till I was stopped. It did feel good though"
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Old 07-12-2009, 07:35 PM   #245
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Dan Henderson on MMA live

"It was a reaction ya know but in the middle of when I was already in the air when Im seeing my hand about to hit his face I knew that he was out, but its not something you can stop at the time and as soon as the ref stopped me it was done and it felt good to hit him that second time, but at the time i didnt know if he was going to recover right away or not. IUntil the ref stops it, its my job to keep going."
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Old 07-12-2009, 07:46 PM   #246
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The music isn't helping them make money. They already made the money before the song played.
I didn't say the music was helping them make money, dude.

Nobody is ordering UFC 100 because Brock Lesnar is coming out to "Enter Sandman." That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm saying that for UFC to use that music during a live PPV broadcast, they must first purchase the rights to do so, even if only on that one-time basis, regardless of whether or not it will later be used on DVD's or replays (which it probably won't, since that would only up the price for licensing the rights to use from Metallica).

Please don't argue with me on this, Rob. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Old 07-12-2009, 09:25 PM   #248
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Are you 100% sure about that? I don't know myself, I'm just going by old ECW stuff as I'm having problems imagining Heyman stumping up cash for all the songs they used
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Old 07-12-2009, 09:29 PM   #249
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I didn't say the music was helping them make money, dude.

Nobody is ordering UFC 100 because Brock Lesnar is coming out to "Enter Sandman." That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm saying that for UFC to use that music during a live PPV broadcast, they must first purchase the rights to do so, even if only on that one-time basis, regardless of whether or not it will later be used on DVD's or replays (which it probably won't, since that would only up the price for licensing the rights to use from Metallica).

Please don't argue with me on this, Rob. You don't know what you're talking about.
I think its a little different when it comes to entrance music.
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I didn't say the music was helping them make money, dude.

Nobody is ordering UFC 100 because Brock Lesnar is coming out to "Enter Sandman." That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm saying that for UFC to use that music during a live PPV broadcast, they must first purchase the rights to do so, even if only on that one-time basis, regardless of whether or not it will later be used on DVD's or replays (which it probably won't, since that would only up the price for licensing the rights to use from Metallica).

Please don't argue with me on this, Rob. You don't know what you're talking about.
No they don't, for entrance music you do not pay a dime. Hence why ECW was able to afford doing whatever they wanted. Televised or not, entrance music is an accompaniment. No one pays to use it. The only reason WWE doesn't used licensed stuff is they don't want to pay the distribution rights for their video games, dvds, etc.
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Few thoughts..

GSP is so f'n dominant.. I really thought Pittbull would have given him a better fight..

I f'n love Dangerous Dan Henderson.. Prolly my favorite fighter of all time.. Brutal KO..

Lesnar is such a dick but he is awesome.. Really don't see any anyone touching Lesnar right now cept maybe Shane Carwin but fuck, Lesnars GnP is unbelievable..

Like seeing Mark Coleman too.. He looked in so much better condition than he did against Rua and when he was dominated by Fedor at that American Pride PPV a few years ago..

p.s. sorry I haven't been around much lately but I am remodeling a house we bought on the North Shore in Louisiana.. Soon as I get it done and I get settled in, I'll be around more often..
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Old 07-12-2009, 09:42 PM   #252
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No they don't, for entrance music you do not pay a dime. Hence why ECW was able to afford doing whatever they wanted. Televised or not, entrance music is an accompaniment. No one pays to use it. The only reason WWE doesn't used licensed stuff is they don't want to pay the distribution rights for their video games, dvds, etc.
I read in a Chuck Liddell interview a few years ago that he wanted to come out to "Walk" by Pantera but the UFC couldn't get the rights to use it..

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Old 07-12-2009, 09:58 PM   #253
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Maybe hes right then because that used to be Clay Guidas entrance music in the small shows in chicago
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I read in a Chuck Liddell interview a few years ago that he wanted to come out to "Walk" by Pantera but the UFC couldn't get the rights to use it..

DUNNO
Interesting... I may have to stand corrected then... I'm just shocked because ECW was using whatever theme they wanted...
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Maybe ECW was using the shit illegally?

I have no idea what the law would be regarding song usage and I wonder if they just ignored the law figuring nobody is gonna sue? Unrelated but I was watching a replay of a UConn basketball game last night and they played the Big Show theme during a televised timeout lol, would they have to get permission for that too?
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yea, I've heard wrestling themes played before at sporting events. pretty sure one of the players at a Charlotte Knights (baseball) game came out to the "Wolfpac" song.
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Maybe ECW was using the shit illegally?

I have no idea what the law would be regarding song usage and I wonder if they just ignored the law figuring nobody is gonna sue? Unrelated but I was watching a replay of a UConn basketball game last night and they played the Big Show theme during a televised timeout lol, would they have to get permission for that too?
good point...whats the difference between brock coming out to enter sandman and it being broadcast on tv and mariano rivera coming out to the same song?
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fell asleep during the gsp match didn't realize it was starting so late and i was absolutely out of it. just watched the lesnar fight though, <3 the guy.

even though he's a local lad, it was good to see bisping knocked out. i'm a bit tired of seeing underdogs acting cocky when they are blatantly less skilled. same with hatton and mayweather, if you're going to talk this shit you have to be ready. circling to henderson's right even after his trainer bollocked him was fucking ridiculous, the fight was only ever going that way.

i don't think you can really blame henderson either, even if he "knew" bisping was out, it was a fraction of a second and if he was wrong the fight would have continued and he'd have missed a prime fight ending opportunity. at that pace, you are going to be working on instinct and the way bisping acted beforehand, you are going to be mentally agressive. if bisping has a problem with the fight ending like that he should probably have thought before talking so much shite and circling left.

honestly though i don't think it deserves discussing as much as it is being. it's just one of those moments that after you've seen a slow motion replay 50 times you add a whole bunch of morality and decision making into a completely instinctive split second reaction.

if i were in an mma fight i wouldn't begrudge a guy hitting me after i was ko'd, until the ref pulled me off. i think it's one of those things you walk into the fight accepting might happen.

ps. is there a ufc tipsters thing going? once again i called all the fights beforehand. (besides the first one cause i didn't know either of them)

pps. which fight on the undercard caused the ring to be absolutely fucking covered in blood?
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ps. is there a ufc tipsters thing going? once again i called all the fights beforehand. (besides the first one cause i didn't know either of them)

pps. which fight on the undercard caused the ring to be absolutely fucking covered in blood?

There is, and I should be winning still.
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pps. which fight on the undercard caused the ring to be absolutely fucking covered in blood?
half of it ws bonners the other half danzigs

http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/ i dont know how to embed video but both those fights plus all the others on up here
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i don't think you can really blame henderson either, even if he "knew" bisping was out, it was a fraction of a second and if he was wrong the fight would have continued and he'd have missed a prime fight ending opportunity. at that pace, you are going to be working on instinct and the way bisping acted beforehand, you are going to be mentally agressive. if bisping has a problem with the fight ending like that he should probably have thought before talking so much shite and circling left.
As an athlete you are taught to "play to the whistle".. Look at a fight like Pete Sell vs. Scott Smith where Drago landed a vicious body shot and it looked like the fight was over.. When going in for the "kill" Smith caught Sell on the button and KO'ed him.. Then a fight like when Brian Stann beat Doug Marshall for the WEC LHW belt.. Stann hit him on the button, dropping Marshal, and stopped to raise his hands thinking it was over, but the ref hadn't stopped it at that point so he then had to go in for the kill.. You never know in combat sports and as I said earlier, if anything it should be on the ref cause all Hendo did was "play to the whistle"..
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LMFAO. Was watching MMA Live post fight interviews, Hendo apperently told his corner that Bisping hit like a little bitch!

He is now my third favorite fighter of all time....


Couture
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LMFAO. Was watching MMA Live post fight interviews, Hendo apperently told his corner that Bisping hit like a little bitch!
Yeah, just got to that part..

But Matt Hughes?? Really??

That guy is a complete and total dick.. Seems like all Miletich fighters are complete dickheads except Jen Pulver..
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Yeah, just got to that part..

But Matt Hughes?? Really??

That guy is a complete and total dick.. Seems like all Miletich fighters are complete dickheads except Jen Pulver..
Jen's isn't a Miletich guy anymore though is he? And yeah, Hughes. I started out MMA as a guy who was a pure wrestler right around the time Hughes started his rise so I'm a huge mark for him. Ditto with Hendo and Randy. Well, that and Randy is my hero.
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Interesting... I may have to stand corrected then... I'm just shocked because ECW was using whatever theme they wanted...
RVD never used Pantera's version of Walk either, he used a cover. So it might be something that's unique to the band/label.
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Thoughts:

- Thought Belcher beat Sexyama...def close, but really thought Belcher would get "the nod"

- Thought Fitch would do alot better against Thiago...neither was really impressive imo

- Hendo KILLED Bisping...I wanted Bisping to win and all, but damn that was impressive...

- GSP couldn't put Alves away, but Alves certainly never looked like he was going to win. Definetly impressed with his ground escapes and "takedown defense". He fought about as well as you can expect anyone to fight against GSP

- Lesnar is scary...Still not to sure how good Mir is though...

- Really want to see Lesnar V Carwin (and to a lesser extent Cro Cop, Cain, and Gonzaga)
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RVD never used Pantera's version of Walk either, he used a cover. So it might be something that's unique to the band/label.
He used the Pantera version until they released/planned to release that 'Extreme Music' CD, for which they had Kilgore cover it and he started using that until ECW shut shop
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I watched this at some bar in Philly called Fox and Hound and the place was going absolutely batshit the entire show. What a fun environment. Also, I think it's safe to say that Brock Lesnar is a huge heel. Beautiful. Dana bitched at him, but I think that's just something he has to do in his position. He really should be slipping Lesnar a bonus check for what he's about to do for his business.
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Few thoughts on the whole Lesnar situation...

Am I the only one who thinks Lesnar could potentially be very bad for the UFC? I am not arguing the guys skill, and I understand that he is an emotional fighter. But the is completely out of touch with reality. He is quickly becoming the Mike Tyson of MMA, and it won't be long before there is an incident much like Tyson vs Holyfield. I mean do you really see any ref being able to pull Brock off a guy if he were to completly snap? The guy has been called an animal for most of his career, and the sick part is, is that he buying into his own hype. UFC has taken years to repair the damage done during the late 90's when MMA was deemed "human cock fighting." Athletic commionsions have be ify on MMA, and it won't take much for states commionsions to pull back from allowing UFC to be showcased.

And as far as the "Coors Light" comment goes. It took the UFC years to get sponsership from major companies like Bud Light. Ultimately, Bud Light did well before the UFC, and could stand to drop their sponsership over a comment like that. The UFC needs companies like Bud Light to endorse their product if they want to grow to a legitimate sport, and I am still curious to see if there will be any sort of backlash from the whole thing.

My thoughts are all kind of jumbled together right now, and I gotta get back to work.

So agree, disagree.
Discuss, Flame.
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I thought Brock Lesnar's post-fight antics were un-called for, but I also thought it was funny as hell. Obviously, I can see why the UFC would be pissed though. Fuck Mir though, I don't care about any trash talking that Lesnar gave him. Mir talks shit, he got shut up and then Lesnar talked shit right back to him.
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Yes, but Mir is not looked at as the face of the UFC. Everything Brock does reflects on the company as a whole.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:16 PM   #274
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The only comment anyone including White should be concerned with is the Coors Lights one.. Other than that Lesnar is going to be a huge cash cow for UFC.. Think about the past HW champs.. Besides a few guys like Couture or Arlovski, you had douchebags like Tim Sylvia, Ricco Rodrigez, Mir, etc.. Atleast Lesnar is generating his own heat, not just hated for being boring or a douche..

ESPN First Take just talked about it and they have no fucking clue (EXCEPT doug Stewart) had no f' clue what they were talking about.. Skip Bayless was saying it was fake and a bunch of bullshit.. I hate that fucking guy..
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Dana White said he isn't a big believer in all publicity is good publicity but if Brock Lesnar doesn't have that post-fight reaction I doubt he's on ESPN first take this morning so I don't know. Obviously in some situations publicity is bad but he was trying to make it seem like he doesn't think all this attention on Lesnar is a good thing, which I don't agree with. It's all about appealing to the causal fans and getting their attention, UFC has its core of fans already - they are going to watch with or without Lesnar's post-fight antics. I really think UFC is on the edge of exploding and becoming even bigger than it already is.
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I watched this at some bar in Philly called Fox and Hound and the place was going absolutely batshit the entire show. What a fun environment. Also, I think it's safe to say that Brock Lesnar is a huge heel. Beautiful. Dana bitched at him, but I think that's just something he has to do in his position. He really should be slipping Lesnar a bonus check for what he's about to do for his business.
yea, that's where I usually watch the shows here. great environment
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Dana White said he isn't a big believer in all publicity is good publicity but if Brock Lesnar doesn't have that post-fight reaction I doubt he's on ESPN first take this morning so I don't know. Obviously in some situations publicity is bad but he was trying to make it seem like he doesn't think all this attention on Lesnar is a good thing, which I don't agree with. It's all about appealing to the causal fans and getting their attention, UFC has its core of fans already - they are going to watch with or without Lesnar's post-fight antics. I really think UFC is on the edge of exploding and becoming even bigger than it already is.
yep, they were talking about the very same incident (more so then the actual fight) on Mike and Mike on ESPN 2 this morning. Mike Golic compared Lesnar's antics to the WWE and was questioning whether UFC really wants to go that route or get as far away from it as possible.

I agree with what you are saying though. I think that kind of stuff creates a buzz around casual fans and is needed sometimes
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Truthfully as a UFC fan for the past 16 years, I don't have any problem with it.. As Dana said on First Take, most fights end like the Alves/GSP fight with mutual respect and whatnot.. What Skip Bayless was saying was uneducated and moronic.. I mean, he was saying how great boxing was and how any boxer could get in a cage and KO any UFC fighter with the 4oz gloves.. Completely retarded statment.. Then he went on to say how he thought UFC was fixed and all this shit because of Lesnar acting like a prowrestler instead of a professional fighter.. For fuck sake, look at Mike Tyson.. He was not only one of the greatest boxer of our generation but of the entire history of boxing in general, and he used to fight at every weigh-in and threaten to rape people and eat their children.. That kind of shit equals ratings..

As a long time MMA fan, I personally don't have any problem with Lesnar's post fight comments and think it will only add to his rep..
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