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Old 07-19-2010, 08:28 PM   #1
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WWE has just as many flaws as TNA...
It's just that TNA has 2 hours to work with per week and WWE has 6.

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Old 07-19-2010, 08:34 PM   #2
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WWE's flaws

-Guest Hosts are stale
-injuries
-Too many PPVs
-Too much TV time (in some ways)
-Bad judgment
-Divas are boring
-PG RATING
-Cena is no longer relevant
-Michael Cole

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Old 07-19-2010, 08:35 PM   #3
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No; it's that while WWE may have as many flaws as TNA, they have way more strengths to bring the overall quality back up.
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:39 PM   #4
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Most of the people I know don't watch superstar or Smackdown though.
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:39 PM   #5
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There is no such thing as too many PPV's when you make money off them.
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:40 PM   #6
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Most of the people I know don't watch superstar or Smackdown though.
Ya, I never watch Superstars and I am forced to watch Smackdown on youtube as I don't get MyNetwork TV here.
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:43 PM   #7
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No; it's that while WWE may have as many flaws as TNA, they have way more strengths to bring the overall quality back up.
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:45 PM   #8
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No; it's that while WWE may have as many flaws as TNA, they have incredible production values.
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:46 PM   #9
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If that's true, then what we are dealing with here is the same case where the WWF had lesser ratings than WCW, but Raw was a better show. I guess in the end it doesn't really matter what flaws we think either company has.
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:17 PM   #10
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No; it's that while WWE may have as many flaws as TNA, they have way more strengths to bring the overall quality back up.
I'd also add that WWE can survive more flaws since they are a bigger company and have a longer association with wrestling and the mainstream public than TNA, RoH, or other smaller Indy feds.
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:24 PM   #11
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If WWE was as poor as TNA w/ 6 hours of time to promote the crap, it would still be crap.

HBM said it right, the WWE has more strengths, plus a much better marketing department...
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:38 PM   #12
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I'd also add that WWE can survive more flaws since they are a bigger company and have a longer association with wrestling and the mainstream public than TNA, RoH, or other smaller Indy feds.
I disagree with the notion that WWE has as many flaws. However, both are pretty flawed, so it's still nto a huge feather in WWE's cap. However, some of their flaws really are overcome by their size and backing. TNa, if established, could afford more mistakes. WWE, if starting out or smaller, could not.

EDIT: The first part is not aimed at you, SM. Just the premise of the thread.
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:38 PM   #13
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As as far as WWE shows are concerned, I consider SmackDown! their best show so far, compared to RAW, NXT, and Superstars. Mainly because it's more wrestling-based.
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WWE's flaws

-Guest Hosts are stale ..YUP!
-injuries..part of the business
-Too many PPVs.. no
-Too much TV time (in some ways) sorta
-Bad judgment --how so?
-Divas are boring--good to look at awful awful matches
-PG RATING.. YUP!
-Cena is no longer relevant.. not for the under 13 crowd
-Michael Cole..is what it is with him

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Old 07-19-2010, 11:55 PM   #15
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Hasn't there only been one guest host in like the last month? They're obviously going away from the concept.
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Old 07-20-2010, 12:14 AM   #16
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O.K. here is my take in a nutshell. The way I see it, TNA is not the competition, it is simply an alternative. It really reminds me of when people compare Wrestling vs. MMA. You cannot compare the two, you simply CANNOT. It is the same with TNA vs. WWE. All be it they are "wrestling shows," however Vince doesn't consider his product to be "wrestling" but entertainment instead. The production value, the corporate muscle, ect.. behind the WWE is far greater than that of TNA.

With that being said, TNA is headed in a different direction, trying to distinguish themselves as something other than just wrestling. I personally don't like it, but who knows, maybe they can do a good job at it. Only time will tell for sure.
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Who's injured besides Punk and HHH? I know Zeke is but he doesn't really count..

I will say this, you can bash WWE all you want but the churn in talent roster that they've had in the last 2 or 3 years and being able to establish guys like Sheamus, Miz, Bourne, McIntyre, The Nexus, Ziggler and maybe Zack Ryder while not really losing much is pretty impressive.
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Old 07-20-2010, 12:30 AM   #18
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O.K. here is my take in a nutshell. The way I see it, TNA is not the competition, it is simply an alternative. It really reminds me of when people compare Wrestling vs. MMA. You cannot compare the two, you simply CANNOT. It is the same with TNA vs. WWE. All be it they are "wrestling shows," however Vince doesn't consider his product to be "wrestling" but entertainment instead. The production value, the corporate muscle, ect.. behind the WWE is far greater than that of TNA.

With that being said, TNA is headed in a different direction, trying to distinguish themselves as something other than just wrestling. I personally don't like it, but who knows, maybe they can do a good job at it. Only time will tell for sure.
How can you not compare them when TNA tries to salvage everything WWE has ever thrown away and tries to copy any of the good ideas they've ever had? Are you kidding me? TNA is begging to be compared to WWE.
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How can you not compare them when TNA tries to salvage everything WWE has ever thrown away and tries to copy any of the good ideas they've ever had? Are you kidding me? TNA is begging to be compared to WWE.
Wanting to be compared, and being no comparison is two different matters all together.
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Old 07-20-2010, 12:41 AM   #20
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What in the fuck are you trying to say to me right now?

Of course they can be compared. TNA tries to emulate the WWE on a weekly basis. They're constantly being compared. TNA just pales in comparison because their management is autistic. They aren't trying to do anything different besides trying new innovative ways to fail with old recycled ideas. They pick up WWE's trash in every way imaginable, and instead of recycling it, they just place it in a smaller dumpster in Orlando.

They can be compared, they are being compared, and they absolutely fucking suck in comparison, despite all of the wonderful things they have to work with.
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I wish Narc wasn't right.

Unfortunately this is almost the way it has to be. TNA is always going to feel like they are in competition with the WWE, and it seems that the only way they think they can do that is to bring in already established stars with name recognition. Despite the fact they they created a select few stars themselves, usually WWE's trash is their treasure.
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Old 07-20-2010, 05:17 AM   #22
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I'd imagine they hope to bring over viewers from WWE to themselves - something that having wrestlers your target is already familiar with makes easier, as an initial lure at least.

I'm not gonna try to point to anything TNA is doing that might be original, because I know better. I'm sure that no matter what I say, someone will have a youtube video ready from somewhere between 1952 and now, showing the WWE having already done something somewhat similiar.
Sure you could say that TNA is just recycling WWE stuff, but when WWE has already done so many different angles, I'm almost entirely sure that the WWE is just recycling WWE stuff.
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It's just that TNA has 2 hours to work with per week and WWE has 6.

Discuss.
So you are either;

saying that WWE are spreading them out over 6 hours so they are less noticeable which is quite clever considering they make money out of it.

or TNA are too stupid to remove their flaws from their limited TV time

I don't think we have learned anything new.
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It's just that TNA has 2 hours to work with per week and WWE has 6.

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I don't want to think what would happen if TNA had 6 hours a week.
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TNA and WWE both only have one problem.

I'll give you a hint - There names start with Vince.
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TNA and WWE both only have one problem.

I'll give you a hint - There names start with Vince.
Where name is Vince?
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TNA and WWE both only have one problem.

I'll give you a hint - There names start with Vince.
Thats far too simplistic. Yes, they have creative say, but they're not lacing up the boots (anymore) and especially in McMahon's case, they're not the ones putting pen to paper.

I really hate how some people have this giant issue with McMahon. Yes, he loves hosses. Yes, he's greenlit some pretty shitty ideas. But he's also presided over some fantastic wrestling, and played a damn good character on air to boot. I'd venture a bet that if it wasn't for him a good portion of the posters here wouldn't be into wrestling, myself included.
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Thats far too simplistic. Yes, they have creative say, but they're not lacing up the boots (anymore) and especially in McMahon's case, they're not the ones putting pen to paper.

I really hate how some people have this giant issue with McMahon. Yes, he loves hosses. Yes, he's greenlit some pretty shitty ideas. But he's also presided over some fantastic wrestling, and played a damn good character on air to boot. I'd venture a bet that if it wasn't for him a good portion of the posters here wouldn't be into wrestling, myself included.
All things go through McMahon. He signs off on everything. He is super hands on.

I don't hate Vince McMahon at all, I just think he is more preoccupied with sponsers and celebrities then with putting on a good product. I respect the man for what hes done in the past, but he is turning WWE into what HE wants to see instead of what wrestling fans want to see. You cant blame a big dude like Khali for taking Vinces money to stand there and chop people in the head if Vince is going to pay him for it.

As for TNA, I guess there are more problems there then just Russo, but I really just dont like the guy. That place needs to find a direction and stick to it, instead of running all over the place with storylines.
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