Smackdown is boring.

**Bazooka** · 12-18-2003, 07:18 PM

Smackdown used to be so exciting just a few months ago, and more entertaining. Now raw seems to be the better quality. Look at the spoilers lineup for tonight, and you'll see it sucks.

**moshingfreak** · 12-18-2003, 07:40 PM

Dark_Kane, shut up already.

**Head** · 12-18-2003, 07:47 PM

Well obiously reading spoilers will make a show boring. Being suprised is half the fun. Just don't read the spoilers.

And the wrestling on Smackdown has been great as of late.

**Bad Guy** · 12-18-2003, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Invisible

Smackdown used to be so exciting just a few months ago, and more entertaining. Now raw seems to be the better quality. Look at the spoilers lineup for tonight, and you'll see it sucks.

I agree.

**Kane Knight** · 12-18-2003, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Head

Well obiously reading spoilers will make a show boring. Being suprised is half the fun. Just don't read the spoilers.

And the wrestling on Smackdown has been great as of late.

Not read spoilers? MY GAWD!

You know, it's funny how these things shouldn't have to be said, but due to the incredible thickness of some, need to be said repeatedly.

**moshingfreak** · 12-18-2003, 07:54 PM

i'll have to agree with Head. The wrestling has been pretty good. The match between Benoit and Lesnar a couple of weeks ago was great. Shannon Moore being wasted every week is cool. I think Smackdowns not doing too badly.

**Kenny** · 12-18-2003, 08:01 PM

I went through a long phase where I didn't read spoilers and I have to say I liked the show a lot better. I've been reading them lately though due to boredom on Tuesday and Wednsday. I also like to know what's going on cause I turn the channel when Vince or somebody comes on TV.

Did anyone see the Smackdown where Dark_Kane joined the "Vince McMahon: Kiss My Ass Club"... I missed that one but it had to happen some time.

**Kane Knight** · 12-18-2003, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny5682

I went through a long phase where I didn't read spoilers and I have to say I liked the show a lot better. I've been reading them lately though due to boredom on Tuesday and Wednsday. I also like to know what's going on cause I turn the channel when Vince or somebody comes on TV.

Did anyone see the Smackdown where Dark_Kane joined the "Vince McMahon: Kiss My Ass Club"... I missed that one but it had to happen some time.

I refuse to read spoilers myself. I come here to discuss wrestling, not find out the results. How sad are people when they can't wait 3 days to see what happened?

D_K Never joined the Vince McMahon KMA club. It's impossible to kiss your own ass.

**moshingfreak** · 12-18-2003, 08:10 PM

I have to wait 2 weeks before I see what happens. I'm two weeks behind. The Smackdown I saw tuesday night was where Benoit faced cena then lesnar and Shannon had to face Big Show

**Kenny** · 12-18-2003, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by moshingwrestlingfreak

I have to wait 2 weeks before I see what happens. I'm two weeks behind. The Smackdown I saw tuesday night was where Benoit faced cena then lesnar and Shannon had to face Big Show

Holy shit... where do you live?

**moshingfreak** · 12-18-2003, 08:16 PM

New Zealand

**Kenny** · 12-18-2003, 08:19 PM

hahaha, this whole time I we're talking about the quality of Smackdown... I forgot it's on right now. Brock's talking in the ring. Smell the ratings!

**moshingfreak** · 12-18-2003, 08:21 PM

i read spoilers because it doesnt make much difference to me. Anything I read here to me are spoilers, sort of.

**DMI** · 12-18-2003, 09:23 PM

ok, the cat and vince thing was FUNNY, was worth watching

**Mr.Violent J** · 12-18-2003, 09:56 PM

I dunno, I like Heyman on TV for sure. But it's like, if it's not Lesnar, Angle, Benoit, or Cena the show normally isn't worth watching at the moment.

EDIT: And Rey, can't forget Rey.

**Kane Knight** · 12-18-2003, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Violent J

I dunno, I like Heyman on TV for sure. But it's like, if it's not Lesnar, Angle, Benoit, or Cena the show normally isn't worth watching at the moment.

EDIT: And Rey, can't forget Rey.

That's coz they need to give some personality to some of the other people.

**Fryza** · 12-18-2003, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Violent J

I dunno, I like Heyman on TV for sure. But it's like, if it's not Lesnar, Angle, Benoit, or Cena the show normally isn't worth watching at the moment.

To me, that is what kills it. There has to be at LEAST ten guys I would rather see then all four of them you mentioned. I get a bit tired of the shows focusing on them alone (I know why and all, don't get me wrong) and they are good workers without a doubt. But I'd rather see the likes of O'Haire, Kanyon, Rhyno, or Ultimo Dragon ANY DAY over Lesnar, Benoit, Cena, or Angle. *shrug* Different view points..

**natureboycv** · 12-18-2003, 10:00 PM

I never read the spoilers, so then Smackdown will still have some surprises.

12-18-2003, 10:00 PM

Yeah Smackdown really wasn't good at all tonight. Benoit wrestling Pulumbo, Holly in the main event., Cena not wrestling, WTF. The tag match was good though.

**Mr.Violent J** · 12-18-2003, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fryza

To me, that is what kills it. There has to be at LEAST ten guys I would rather see then all four of them you mentioned. I get a bit tired of the shows focusing on them alone (I know why and all, don't get me wrong) and they are good workers without a doubt. But I'd rather see the likes of O'Haire, Kanyon, Rhyno, or Ultimo Dragon ANY DAY over Lesnar, Benoit, Cena, or Angle. *shrug* Different view points..

I will partially agree with that. I mean I do totally feel that the other guys need something too. Kanyon was one of my favorites in WCW, he can really work a match. Rhyno and O'haire have both proved that they can put on big matches, given the oppurtunity.

I think RAW just has the better over all show right now. I think the only time I was bored on RAW this week was Rico vs John Henderich*sp. Evolution, HBK, RVD, Booker T, Jericho, Matt Hardy. And the list goes on for RAW superstars that I could tune in just to see them.Some main even, some mid carders. I think that is where RAW is going right, they are starting to get in a nice balance. Now if only they could keep the belt OFF the cancer of HHH.

**Corkscrewed** · 12-19-2003, 02:12 AM

I still think RAW is a bit too disorganized. Smackdown always seems to have a solid direction that it's headed toward, but on RAW, sometimes it seems like the writers are just confused. Sure, it'll have a great show, but the following week might just be a collection of matches rather than the furthering of storylines.

Plus the wrestling is better.

**The CyNick** · 12-19-2003, 02:19 AM

Angle, Lesnar, Benoit, and Eddie are better than everyone on RAW except maybe JEricho, who would fit in somehwere in the middle of that list.

Heyman is a good GM, I hope they keep him on.

The problem I have with SD is that the rest of the guys that they choose to focus on all suck. Guys like APA the hosses from Team Lesnar, Holly, The F'N Cat. If they were to take up that time with some more CWs, and some more tag team wrestling it would blow RAW totally out of the water.

I think SD has fallen off since the summer, but RAW has been good the past few weeks in large part because they are stacking that show with guys like Rock and Foley, which SD doesn't get.

For me the bottom line is wrestling, and even though RAW has been a lot better recently they still can hold a candle to SD when it comes to ring work. I mean when was the last match on RAW that was as good as Benoit-Lesnar, HBK-Jericho, maybe, and thats it. So I'll still give the nod to SD, but its closer now then it was. At the same time, with the right booking I can see SD being a far better show than if RAW had the right booking.

**Darwin Henderson** · 12-19-2003, 04:58 AM

Lesnar is one of the worst champions ever. He has average wrestling skills, no ring presence, no charisma and shit mic skills. When you compare him to some of the champions over the last few years you can see how bad he is. HHH, The Rock, Austin, Michaels, Undertaker, Kane, Hogan etc all have something that Lesnar doesn't have, and there are far more talented people who aren't getting pushed.
And I think that Heymans speech was pathetic, as Lesnar isn't 1/10 as good as Samartino,Austin or Hogan.

**Tornado** · 12-19-2003, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Darwin Henderson

Lesnar is one of the worst champions ever. He has average wrestling skills, no ring presence, .

What the hell are you talking about? No ring presence, have you SEEN they guy?!!

**Darwin Henderson** · 12-19-2003, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tornado

What the hell are you talking about? No ring presence, have you SEEN they guy?!!

He just looks generic. A big guy in trunks.

**Tornado** · 12-19-2003, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Darwin Henderson

He just looks generic. A big guy in trunks.

Bollocks. The guy is freaking built like an Ox. He has an intimidating look to him. He looks, and wrestles like a champion.

And how you can say he is one of the worst champions ever is beyond me...
Vince McMahon, Big Show...

-edit- Comparing Brock to HHH as champ, thats a laugh, at least Brock sells and defends his title regularly

**Fryza** · 12-19-2003, 11:21 AM

Then they better start putting the ox to work instead of getting him ready for butchering. Lesnar is getting lazy, and his mic skills are equal that of Holly's wrestling skills.

**Tornado** · 12-19-2003, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Fryza

Then they better start putting the ox to work instead of getting him ready for butchering. Lesnar is getting lazy, and his mic skills are equal that of Holly's wrestling skills.

Thats my only problems with Brock. His mic skills absolutly SUCK, and I have noticed him getting lazy recently. But who can blame him when he gets saddled with guys like Morgan, Train, Show and Holly?
He should be wrestling guys like Cena, Benoit, and (when he returns) Angle, then he'd be back to looking like a great champion.

**Kane Knight** · 12-19-2003, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Darwin Henderson

He just looks generic. A big guy in trunks.

Most big guys don't look like Dolph Lundgren with a baby's head pasted on...

�eah, he looks generic...

**Fryza** · 12-19-2003, 11:28 AM

Honestly, I don't like Lesnar. I don't find his matches that great. But what you just said was "He needs to work with better wrestlers to look better." Problem with that is it can be said for ANYONE. Put Angle where Lesnar is now, same results. It has nothing to do with skill. I find when Lesnar goes up against guys like Cena and Benoit, it makes him look like crap. IMO.

**Kane Knight** · 12-19-2003, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tornado

Thats my only problems with Brock. His mic skills absolutly SUCK, and I have noticed him getting lazy recently. But who can blame him when he gets saddled with guys like Morgan, Train, Show and Holly?
He should be wrestling guys like Cena, Benoit, and (when he returns) Angle, then he'd be back to looking like a great champion.

I agree. Every time he touches the mic, he kills any sort of vibe he has going.

**Tornado** · 12-19-2003, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Fryza

Honestly, I don't like Lesnar. I don't find his matches that great. But what you just said was "He needs to work with better wrestlers to look better." Problem with that is it can be said for ANYONE. Put Angle where Lesnar is now, same results. It has nothing to do with skill. I find when Lesnar goes up against guys like Cena and Benoit, it makes him look like crap. IMO.

I see you point, i'm not a massive Lesnar fan either, but I like his style, and the guy looks like a champ. The match he had with Benoit a few weeks back was brilliant, and his series with Kurt Angle was off the charts.
So, yeah, dunno what point i'm trying to make here....

**Darwin Henderson** · 12-19-2003, 02:37 PM

IMO, Lesnar is a lot worse than almost every champion in recent years. Angle, Rock, Austin, Kane, HHH, Undertaker, Michaels, Foley all had decent wrestling skills, charisma, personality, intersting characters and good mic skills. Lesnar is ok in the ring but isnt a patch on the above mentioned champs of the past.

**The CyNick** · 12-19-2003, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Darwin Henderson

IMO, Lesnar is a lot worse than almost every champion in recent years. Angle, Rock, Austin, Kane, HHH, Undertaker, Michaels, Foley all had decent wrestling skills, charisma, personality, intersting characters and good mic skills. Lesnar is ok in the ring but isnt a patch on the above mentioned champs of the past.

It depends what we're talking about. Lesnar isn't as charasmatic as Angle, Rock, Austin and others, but keep in mind those guys were in the business a lot longer than Lesnar. I think he has made strides even since the summer in terms of connecting with the fans in promos. So in another year or so, I think he'll be among the better champions in WWE history.

In terms of ring work I think Lesnar is already among the best in the WWE. You look at the stuff he's done in the ring with good workers, but also with a guy like Big Show, and its clear he can work in the ring like few other main eventers especially considering his size.

BTW, I dont get how Kane makes your list of top champs, I mean Kane? The guy who used to wear a red mask? That guy? Seriously?

**Tornado** · 12-19-2003, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Darwin Henderson

IMO, Lesnar is a lot worse than almost every champion in recent years. Angle, Rock, Austin, Kane, HHH, Undertaker, Michaels, Foley all had decent wrestling skills, charisma, personality, intersting characters and good mic skills. Lesnar is ok in the ring but isnt a patch on the above mentioned champs of the past.

How the **** can you call Kane a better champion than Brock Lesnar?!!? Kane held the belt for what, 24hours?

**Darwin Henderson** · 12-19-2003, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick

It depends what we're talking about. Lesnar isn't as charasmatic as Angle, Rock, Austin and others, but keep in mind those guys were in the business a lot longer than Lesnar. I think he has made strides even since the summer in terms of connecting with the fans in promos. So in another year or so, I think he'll be among the better champions in WWE history.

In terms of ring work I think Lesnar is already among the best in the WWE. You look at the stuff he's done in the ring with good workers, but also with a guy like Big Show, and its clear he can work in the ring like few other main eventers especially considering his size.

BTW, I dont get how Kane makes your list of top champs, I mean Kane? The guy who used to wear a red mask? That guy? Seriously?

I didn't mean Kane was one of my fave champs, just I think that he is better than Lesnar.
I dont hate Lesnar, But I do think he is green and shouldn't be as high up as he is when people like jericho, benoit, booker T, RVD, Orton ,Cena etc all will have to work for years to get a push like him

**StoneColdStunner** · 12-19-2003, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tornado

What the hell are you talking about? No ring presence, have you SEEN they guy?!!

your so true Lesnar is a great wrestler and has a great ring presence

you so rule

**MVP** · 12-19-2003, 05:18 PM

Lesnar is one of the main reasons I watch Smackdown. I started watching again after he turned heel because he's a great draw and very talented in the ring. Along with Angle, Benoit, Guerrero, Cena, Mysterio, Big Show, etc. It'd be nice to see Kane go to Smackdown and feud with the Undertaker the way he started at Survivor Series.

RAW doesn't nearly offer as much.

**The Miz** · 12-19-2003, 08:40 PM

lesnar blows. his wrestling is average, and he's annoying as shit on the mic. his gimmick consists of saying "i am the greatest wwe champion in history." awesome.

**SUPREMO** · 12-20-2003, 03:04 PM

Smack down allright it is't boring

12-18-2003, 07:18 PM	#1
Bazooka brothas gonna work it out Posts: 2,446	Smackdown is boring. Smackdown used to be so exciting just a few months ago, and more entertaining. Now raw seems to be the better quality. Look at the spoilers lineup for tonight, and you'll see it sucks.

12-18-2003, 07:40 PM	#2
moshingfreak Ben E. Hana Posts: 710	Dark_Kane, shut up already.

12-18-2003, 07:47 PM	#3
Head Shocker Posts: 3,124	Well obiously reading spoilers will make a show boring. Being suprised is half the fun. Just don't read the spoilers. And the wrestling on Smackdown has been great as of late.

12-18-2003, 07:54 PM	#6
moshingfreak Ben E. Hana Posts: 710	i'll have to agree with Head. The wrestling has been pretty good. The match between Benoit and Lesnar a couple of weeks ago was great. Shannon Moore being wasted every week is cool. I think Smackdowns not doing too badly.

12-18-2003, 08:01 PM	#7
Kenny Luke 15:11-32 Posts: 3,933	I went through a long phase where I didn't read spoilers and I have to say I liked the show a lot better. I've been reading them lately though due to boredom on Tuesday and Wednsday. I also like to know what's going on cause I turn the channel when Vince or somebody comes on TV. Did anyone see the Smackdown where Dark_Kane joined the "Vince McMahon: Kiss My Ass Club"... I missed that one but it had to happen some time.

12-18-2003, 08:10 PM	#9
moshingfreak Ben E. Hana Posts: 710	I have to wait 2 weeks before I see what happens. I'm two weeks behind. The Smackdown I saw tuesday night was where Benoit faced cena then lesnar and Shannon had to face Big Show

12-18-2003, 08:16 PM	#11
moshingfreak Ben E. Hana Posts: 710	New Zealand

12-18-2003, 08:19 PM	#12
Kenny Luke 15:11-32 Posts: 3,933	hahaha, this whole time I we're talking about the quality of Smackdown... I forgot it's on right now. Brock's talking in the ring. Smell the ratings!

12-18-2003, 08:21 PM	#13
moshingfreak Ben E. Hana Posts: 710	i read spoilers because it doesnt make much difference to me. Anything I read here to me are spoilers, sort of.

12-18-2003, 09:23 PM	#14
DMI MITTENS Posts: 14,917	ok, the cat and vince thing was FUNNY, was worth watching

12-18-2003, 09:56 PM	#15
Mr.Violent J Posts: 399	I dunno, I like Heyman on TV for sure. But it's like, if it's not Lesnar, Angle, Benoit, or Cena the show normally isn't worth watching at the moment. EDIT: And Rey, can't forget Rey.

12-18-2003, 10:00 PM	#18
natureboycv OutrageousOlympicEntrance Posts: 12,420	I never read the spoilers, so then Smackdown will still have some surprises.

12-18-2003, 10:00 PM	#19
Loose Cannon Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah Smackdown really wasn't good at all tonight. Benoit wrestling Pulumbo, Holly in the main event., Cena not wrestling, WTF. The tag match was good though.

12-19-2003, 02:12 AM	#21
Corkscrewed Posts: 18,357	I still think RAW is a bit too disorganized. Smackdown always seems to have a solid direction that it's headed toward, but on RAW, sometimes it seems like the writers are just confused. Sure, it'll have a great show, but the following week might just be a collection of matches rather than the furthering of storylines. Plus the wrestling is better.

12-19-2003, 02:19 AM	#22
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	Angle, Lesnar, Benoit, and Eddie are better than everyone on RAW except maybe JEricho, who would fit in somehwere in the middle of that list. Heyman is a good GM, I hope they keep him on. The problem I have with SD is that the rest of the guys that they choose to focus on all suck. Guys like APA the hosses from Team Lesnar, Holly, The F'N Cat. If they were to take up that time with some more CWs, and some more tag team wrestling it would blow RAW totally out of the water. I think SD has fallen off since the summer, but RAW has been good the past few weeks in large part because they are stacking that show with guys like Rock and Foley, which SD doesn't get. For me the bottom line is wrestling, and even though RAW has been a lot better recently they still can hold a candle to SD when it comes to ring work. I mean when was the last match on RAW that was as good as Benoit-Lesnar, HBK-Jericho, maybe, and thats it. So I'll still give the nod to SD, but its closer now then it was. At the same time, with the right booking I can see SD being a far better show than if RAW had the right booking.

12-19-2003, 04:58 AM	#23
Darwin Henderson Posts: 117	Lesnar is one of the worst champions ever. He has average wrestling skills, no ring presence, no charisma and shit mic skills. When you compare him to some of the champions over the last few years you can see how bad he is. HHH, The Rock, Austin, Michaels, Undertaker, Kane, Hogan etc all have something that Lesnar doesn't have, and there are far more talented people who aren't getting pushed. And I think that Heymans speech was pathetic, as Lesnar isn't 1/10 as good as Samartino,Austin or Hogan.

12-19-2003, 11:21 AM	#27
Fryza Fthagn? Posts: 10,042	Then they better start putting the ox to work instead of getting him ready for butchering. Lesnar is getting lazy, and his mic skills are equal that of Holly's wrestling skills.

12-19-2003, 11:28 AM	#30
Fryza Fthagn? Posts: 10,042	Honestly, I don't like Lesnar. I don't find his matches that great. But what you just said was "He needs to work with better wrestlers to look better." Problem with that is it can be said for ANYONE. Put Angle where Lesnar is now, same results. It has nothing to do with skill. I find when Lesnar goes up against guys like Cena and Benoit, it makes him look like crap. IMO.

12-19-2003, 02:37 PM	#33
Darwin Henderson Posts: 117	IMO, Lesnar is a lot worse than almost every champion in recent years. Angle, Rock, Austin, Kane, HHH, Undertaker, Michaels, Foley all had decent wrestling skills, charisma, personality, intersting characters and good mic skills. Lesnar is ok in the ring but isnt a patch on the above mentioned champs of the past.

12-19-2003, 05:18 PM	#38
MVP Mas Vagina Porfavor Posts: 11,343	Lesnar is one of the main reasons I watch Smackdown. I started watching again after he turned heel because he's a great draw and very talented in the ring. Along with Angle, Benoit, Guerrero, Cena, Mysterio, Big Show, etc. It'd be nice to see Kane go to Smackdown and feud with the Undertaker the way he started at Survivor Series. RAW doesn't nearly offer as much.

12-19-2003, 08:40 PM	#39
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	lesnar blows. his wrestling is average, and he's annoying as shit on the mic. his gimmick consists of saying "i am the greatest wwe champion in history." awesome.

12-20-2003, 03:04 PM	#40
SUPREMO S**K IT! Posts: 121	Smack down allright it is't boring