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Old 10-13-2011, 05:17 PM   #1
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He said he'd wrestle another match if the pieces fell into place, and he's in the new video game.

http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/vide...more=fullstory

I don't know what Lesnar's schedule is like after this next fight, but Lesnar vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania for 20-0 would do business and make lots of sense.
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Old 10-13-2011, 05:18 PM   #2
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I just don't see how Dana White lets him wrestle while he's under contract to UFC.
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Old 10-13-2011, 05:20 PM   #3
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Lesnar v Batista or no deal
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Lesnar v Batista in the squared circle or the MMA?
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I just don't see how Dana White lets him wrestle while he's under contract to UFC.
He only has one or two more fights in his UFC contract and that's it.

My feeling is that he did this to open the door if he decides to go away from UFC and have a sort of net there. It's a political move for sure.

He'll never come back full time, but I could EASILY see him doing at least one one-off storyline into a Mania. He'll easily make a million on it, probably more.
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Old 10-13-2011, 05:39 PM   #6
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He only has one or two more fights in his UFC contract and that's it.

My feeling is that he did this to open the door if he decides to go away from UFC and have a sort of net there. It's a political move for sure.
That and he might not ever be healthy enough again to fight for UFC.....
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Old 10-13-2011, 05:43 PM   #7
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He keeps getting his guts sawn down after every fight so he'll probz 'retire' after Reem kicks his ass.

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Both. One ppv in the WWE and then the second ppv in the UFC.
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He only has one or two more fights in his UFC contract and that's it.

My feeling is that he did this to open the door if he decides to go away from UFC and have a sort of net there. It's a political move for sure.

He'll never come back full time, but I could EASILY see him doing at least one one-off storyline into a Mania. He'll easily make a million on it, probably more.
What I don't like is that Lesnar has gone on-record saying that he feels better fighting "for real" (basically saying that WWE is fake, which it IS, but still...), so if he goes back, any media attention it brings will have people going like "So you're now fake-fighting again?"
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That's his problem. He was just saying the right thing at the right time. It'll bring eyeballs to WWE's programming, that's all that matters.
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What I don't like is that Lesnar has gone on-record saying that he feels better fighting "for real" (basically saying that WWE is fake, which it IS, but still...), so if he goes back, any media attention it brings will have people going like "So you're now fake-fighting again?"
which I'm sure Brock, notorious for caring what people think, will let affect his decision on a big payday
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which I'm sure Brock, notorious for caring what people think, will let affect his decision on a big payday
It's not about Brock. He'll come and go, get his paycheck (or paychecks). It's all about WWE, and how it is perceived.
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Old 10-13-2011, 05:54 PM   #13
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It's not about Brock. He'll come and go, get his paycheck (or paychecks). It's all about WWE, and how it is perceived.
no it isn't

WWE's line of thought: "Brock Lesnar = $$$"

Brock Lesnar's line of thought: "WWE = $$$"

that is all of the thinking that would go into it
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I'm sure WWE is worried about the way they're perceived when it comes to their in-ring product.

It'd be like someone going from a sitcom to a reality show, talking about how it's better than that fake-ass sitcom, and then when their stint is over they go back to "fake acting". Yeah, they're hypocrites, but who gives a fuck if they pull in the ratings/buys?

Everyone knows it's fake. Some people won't care about Lesnar going to WWE, and some people will watch to see him back. The ones who think it's ridiculous aren't going to watch it either way, so they're moot.
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I can see Brock going to WWE if he loses the 'Reem fight.

However, I don't see Brock losing to Overeem.

So, maybe a non wrestling appearance, but I doubt it.
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He only has one or two more fights in his UFC contract and that's it.

My feeling is that he did this to open the door if he decides to go away from UFC and have a sort of net there. It's a political move for sure.

He'll never come back full time, but I could EASILY see him doing at least one one-off storyline into a Mania. He'll easily make a million on it, probably more.
Exactly, Lesnar fights and fulfills his obligations with the UFC, takes one WWE match and a cool million, and is re-signed with the UFC a few months later. No biggie.
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Yeah, that wouldn't happen. Once Brock goes to WWE for any type of match, he'll be done with UFC for good, whether it's his doing or Dana White's.
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Dana White pays guys who bring in numbers. Lesnar is the biggest money generator in the sport.
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Old 10-14-2011, 02:51 AM   #21
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pretty crappy interview, not even sure if that was lesnar's actual words.
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Would love to see Lesnar face Undertaker for the 20-0 match, but not at this Wrestlemania. Rock/Cena is already gonna be big enough, Taker/Lesnar will just be overkill for the fans.
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What I don't like is that Lesnar has gone on-record saying that he feels better fighting "for real" (basically saying that WWE is fake, which it IS, but still...), so if he goes back, any media attention it brings will have people going like "So you're now fake-fighting again?"
You're right. It will detract from the general reverence the media has for pro wrestling.
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Would love to see Lesnar face Undertaker for the 20-0 match, but not at this Wrestlemania. Rock/Cena is already gonna be big enough, Taker/Lesnar will just be overkill for the fans.
At this point in Undertaker's career and how far the streak has gone, he needs to face someone different at this WrestleMania, before he retires. Someone he's had trouble beating in the past or never faced before. That would be Lesnar, and that would be $$$$$$$.
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Have Brock Lesnar at ringside for the Royal Rumble. The Undertaker returns in the 40th spot and is in the final four. Lesnar comes in and tackles Undertaker. The two brawl over the ropes in what’s meant to look like a fight, and security separates them.

Next night on RAW, Vince McMahon introduces Lesnar, and Lesnar addresses that he’s the baddest man on the planet and Undertaker came into his yard and provoked him, so he returned the favor at the Royal Rumble. Undertaker confronts him, WrestleMania challenge, Vince books it, two months of hype with a few appearances by Lesnar.

The match will be the closest that Undertaker has ever been to losing the streak, but in the end, he picks up the victory and retires from the WWE with the streak intact.
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Yeah, that wouldn't happen. Once Brock goes to WWE for any type of match, he'll be done with UFC for good, whether it's his doing or Dana White's.
For the sake of argument, this may not be true. Tito Ortiz did a stint in TNA in 2005 and returned to UFC as a fighter. He did only referee matches in TNA, so it's not exactly the same thing as Brock wrestling again for WWE, but it's the point of a fighter going to work for a pro wrestling organization and then going back to UFC.

Lesnar vs Taker would be huge for everyone involved. WWE would profit, Lesnar would definitely profit, and Taker needs a massive follow up to his last 3 WM matches that no one on the current roster can provide (except maybe John Cena, and he's already booked for Mania against Rock). And however the finish goes, it's good for business. Undertaker goes out on top 20-0 after beating HBK twice, Triple H and then Brock Lesnar, OR, Undertaker goes out at 19-1 after getting beaten by one of the most dominating and legitimately dangerous men to ever step foot in a WWE ring.

Dana White knows that the reason Lesnar is such a massive commodity in the UFC is because of the name he made for himself in the WWE, and because the WWE and UFC have a cross threaded fan base. I think he would consider letting Lesnar go wrestle one more match because it would only increase Lesnar's visibility not only to the media as a whole, but to the wrestling/fighting fanbase, and would make him that much larger of a star when he came back to fight for UFC.
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For the sake of argument, this may not be true. Tito Ortiz did a stint in TNA in 2005 and returned to UFC as a fighter. He did only referee matches in TNA, so it's not exactly the same thing as Brock wrestling again for WWE, but it's the point of a fighter going to work for a pro wrestling organization and then going back to UFC.

Lesnar vs Taker would be huge for everyone involved. WWE would profit, Lesnar would definitely profit, and Taker needs a massive follow up to his last 3 WM matches that no one on the current roster can provide (except maybe John Cena, and he's already booked for Mania against Rock). And however the finish goes, it's good for business. Undertaker goes out on top 20-0 after beating HBK twice, Triple H and then Brock Lesnar, OR, Undertaker goes out at 19-1 after getting beaten by one of the most dominating and legitimately dangerous men to ever step foot in a WWE ring.

Dana White knows that the reason Lesnar is such a massive commodity in the UFC is because of the name he made for himself in the WWE, and because the WWE and UFC have a cross threaded fan base. I think he would consider letting Lesnar go wrestle one more match because it would only increase Lesnar's visibility not only to the media as a whole, but to the wrestling/fighting fanbase, and would make him that much larger of a star when he came back to fight for UFC.
Tito Ortiz was in TNA because he and Dana had had a falling out at that point. Brock Lesnar consistently brings in over a million pay per view buys when he fights. Those are Wrestlemania buyrates. He broke Tyson's record for PPV buys. His visibility is fine as is and him going back to the WWE and losing does nothing for the UFC and there's no way Vince would let Brock come back for one night only, beat one of the greatest performers in WWE history and then leave again.
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Tito Ortiz was in TNA because he and Dana had had a falling out at that point. Brock Lesnar consistently brings in over a million pay per view buys when he fights. Those are Wrestlemania buyrates. He broke Tyson's record for PPV buys.
Exactly why Dana would re-sign Lesnar if he wished to return to UFC after WrestleMania. As I stated above, he's the biggest money generator in the sport.

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His visibility is fine as is and him going back to the WWE and losing does nothing for the UFC and there's no way Vince would let Brock come back for one night only, beat one of the greatest performers in WWE history and then leave again.
Of course Vince wouldn't let Lesnar beat Undertaker and then leave, but his payday would be enough for him to come back and lose, especially at WrestleMania in a match with Undertaker.
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Exactly why Dana would re-sign Lesnar if he wished to return to UFC after WrestleMania. As I stated above, he's the biggest money generator in the sport.
That's all fine and good in fantasy, reality is if Brock Lesnar beats Alistair Overeem in December he won't be going to the Royal Rumble to hype a Wrestlemania match with the Undertaker. Hell, Lesnar's next fight might even be the same month as Wrestlemania.

Again, the idea works for wrestling fans and the WWE, but for Dana White and the UFC it does nothing. The only way Brock goes back to wrestle for the WWE is if he retires from MMA or loses badly to Overeem and gets cut.

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Of course Vince wouldn't let Lesnar beat Undertaker and then leave, but his payday would be enough for him to come back and lose, especially at WrestleMania in a match with Undertaker.
I think that's the other thing. Dana may know it's fake, but I think he'd still have a problem with his biggest star in "for real" fighting losing to a 50 year old man in "fake fighting." The headlines in the MMA world and on sites like ESPN would be a joke after that.
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That's all fine and good in fantasy, reality is if Brock Lesnar beats Alistair Overeem in December he won't be going to the Royal Rumble to hype a Wrestlemania match with the Undertaker. Hell, Lesnar's next fight might even be the same month as Wrestlemania.

Again, the idea works for wrestling fans and the WWE, but for Dana White and the UFC it does nothing. The only way Brock goes back to wrestle for the WWE is if he retires from MMA or loses badly to Overeem and gets cut.
Agree 100%. That fight is a #1 contender's bout for the Heavyweight title. If Lesnar wins, he's likely re-signing so he can fight Velasquez/Dos Santos for the title. However, if he loses, most likely he'll leave the UFC for WrestleMania.


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Didn't stop him from signing him the first time. I mean, the guy was 1-0 and widely known at the time as "the wrestler." What did Dana do next? Put him in the main event of a pay-per-view with Frank Mir. As far as losing in a WWE ring, everyone knows that a loss to Undertaker is scripted and wouldn't hurt Lesnar. Again, wrestling for two years didn't hurt him.
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Didn't stop him from signing him the first time. I mean, the guy was 1-0 and widely known at the time as "the wrestler." What did Dana do next? Put him in the main event of a pay-per-view with Frank Mir. As far as losing in a WWE ring, everyone knows that a loss to Undertaker is scripted and wouldn't hurt Lesnar. Again, wrestling for two years didn't hurt him.
Wasn't the main event, but that's just minor.

Also, Brock Lesnar wasn't signed solely because he was a former WWE wrestler. He was signed because he was a dominant NCAA wrestling champion and wrestling is arguably the best base to have when transitioning into MMA. He'd also gained some credibility as a "real athlete" from his tryout for the Vikings. Hell, it had been 3 years since he wrestled for the WWE after only spending 2 years at the forefront. If being a former WWE champion or having some kind of status as a wrestling great was all it took or had such great appeal, Lashley and Batista would be in the UFC. Jim Ross was pretty much begging for a job doing UFC commentary and got ignored.

The main stream media that covers MMA views pro wrestling as a joke. ESPN and other sports publications didn't give a damn about Brock Lesnar until he moved away from pro wrestling and tried out for the Vikings/joined the UFC. Dana doesn't want his guys getting mixed up with that.

More than anything else, it's about perception. Go find the thread with the idiots who got a hard on after the Lesnar/Undertaker "confrontation" and said dumb shit like "Brock is scared of Taker" or that "Taker would beat Brock up in real life." The fact that those people were too stupid or too big of marks to understand why Brock wouldn't respond to Taker after getting his brain scrambled and losing his title or that a 6'4 NCAA wrestler with adequate boxing and jiu jitsu training would probably put an injury riddled 46 year old pro wrestler in a coma shows that some people aren't capable of distinguishing between Brock losing in the UFC and Brock losing in the WWE. If the UFC builds Brock up as the "Baddest Man on the Planet" why would they want him to go to the WWE and get beaten by the Undertaker?

When you have the Rock and Undertaker saying shit like if they could go back and do it all over again they would have done MMA, they're saying that stuff in reaction to the perception that MMA fighters are tougher/more bad ass than professional wrestlers and want to be perceived as a part of that mold. Why do you think the Undertaker adopted a jiu jitsu submission technique? Why do you think they talk up Daniel Bryan training in MMA? You don't think the WWE would try to use something like Brock losing as a way to hype their guys up again? Especially when there is some resentment towards MMA by some guys like HHH and Jericho again due to the perception that pro wrestling is inferior. It's not worth the headache to Dana.
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You are probably right though. If he loses to Overeem he's done with the UFC and should go for the one off Wrestlemania appearance. The competition at heavyweight has been elevated and at 34 after two bouts with diverticulitis, his days in the Octagon or even doing prolonged wrestling stints are limited anyways.
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Yeah, that's all I was getting at. I'm sure he'll jump at the chance to headline WrestleMania if he loses to Overeem and leave the UFC, but excellent points.
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