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Old 01-27-2015, 02:21 PM   #1
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Is there an element of homoeroticism to WWE's odd obsession with big men?
I know we've all joked about it before and it has been all in good fun but lately I'm wondering. What, do you think, is WWE's obsession with big men all about? I understand that in the 70's and 80s, being bulked was part of the business. Since then, there have been many high profile main event guys that haven't fit the big guy mold. Yet, they still go out of their way to push the big muscular guys to the moon. Honest discussion, why do you think this is? Is it more spectacular looking when a big guy is mauling people? Has the idea just been grandfathered in? Does Vince McMahon have some odd sexual obsession with big men?

What are your thoughts on big men in wrestling?

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Old 01-27-2015, 02:33 PM   #2
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Why would I want to see someone who is just as muscular as me and is my height wrestling for the world heavyweight title? Serious question.
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Old 01-27-2015, 02:43 PM   #3
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World Heavyweight Title its in the damn name of the title. A 170 lb champion just doesn't make since.
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The problem isn't so much the obsession with big men in general, it's the fact that most of 'em are shit.
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wrestling has massive undercurrents of homoeroticism regardless of the size of the guy. but yeah, vince loves thick muscle cock.
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Why would I want to see someone who is just as muscular as me and is my height wrestling for the world heavyweight title? Serious question.
Because they're characters on a television show. Couldn't care less what they look like if the story is good.
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Why would I want to see someone who is just as muscular as me and is my height wrestling for the world heavyweight title? Serious question.
Exactly
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Because they're characters on a television show. Couldn't care less what they look like if the story is good.
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Because they're characters on a television show. Couldn't care less what they look like if the story is good.
Walter White wasn't 6'5, wasn't believable to me.
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You need to go to your local wrestling show if you want to see 170 lb men fighting for a Heavyweight title.
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Vince like big men
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Vince also likes big old fatties too. Like Big Show.
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If you will engage in such talk, I will have you know that Vince hasn't kept it a secret about his quest to partake in a business acumen of buying big men to do battle in the arena. His concupiscent activity is obviously being parodied throughout some of these fine poster's unparagoned offerings.

It's hard to hide the big gasconade event of Wrestlemania, a showcase of his current talent. Today we are experiencing perfidious behavior from the fanbase. Should Vince venture to win them back or remain unencumbered? How long can people as diehard as myself remain ebullient when the pudding is not even ready?

Continue to excogitate.
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Wrestling works best when it's larger than life. A huge superhero-like guy fits that more than a guy who looks like the homeless dude who hangs out outside my house or a fry cook at McDonalds.
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that's simply a matter of preference. if i'm entertained, i don't care what the guy looks like. ultimately, that's what it's all about.
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It's all a matter of preference. I'm just speaking on what has always worked best as far as drawing people in. And in wrestling, "larger than life" works better than just some guy who looks like he could get his ass kicked by half the people in the crowd. And that's what Vince sees. Thus his "obsession" with that type.
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That's why Sid was a better world champion than Ric Flair. And Khali was better than Savage. And Yokozuna > Hart.
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When did I say that was the ONLY thing that factored into it? At no point did I say "a guy like Khali will always be better than a guy like Savage" based on size alone. First of all, Flair and Savage's personalities made them fit the larger than life role. They worked in their own ways. If Khali didn't move in a way that made him completely unbelievable as a threat despite his size and maybe was able to be intimidating even if it was just with his facial expressions while someone else did the talking then he'd have probably been able to draw more.

Also, Bret Hart was probably not someone you wanna use as an example of "average joe" type guys being great champions. Just sayin'.
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valid. Withdrawn.

It was more directed at the people who inherently associate "larger than life" with being the draw of wrestling. It certainly CAN be. And, if done right, frequently IS. But history has given us 50 years of Daniel Bryans (Flair, Michaels, Savage, et al) who were every bit as great - frequently better - than their larger-than-life Roman Reigns counterparts.
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I don't count Roman Reigns as part of the discussion though because I just think his personality hinders him. Reigns is actually a great example of a guy, like Khali (though not nearly as bad, of course) who fits the bill physically but doesn't have it elsewhere.

I also wouldn't put Bryan in the same field as Flair or Savage though. Flair and Savage had the personalities to make them come off as larger than life. Daniel Bryan is nowhere near that level.
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that's simply a matter of preference. if i'm entertained, i don't care what the guy looks like. ultimately, that's what it's all about.
This is where I'm at. If you're putting out a solid entertaining product with compelling characters, I don't think it matters what the characters look like, per say. I mean, they have to at least look like athletes of some kind, but other than that I don't think it matters what their dimensions are.

On the flip side I will say, having a diversity of physical appearances does help tell a story. I'm a bit torn.

The big guy obsession that Vince has is really weird though. Like oddly sexual.
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Why would I want to see someone who is just as muscular as me and is my height wrestling for the world heavyweight title? Serious question.
Because there aren't any other belts with weight classifications and sometimes undersized guys are incredible?
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That's why Sid was a better world champion than Ric Flair. And Khali was better than Savage. And Yokozuna > Hart.
Yokozuna was friggen awesome.
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Old 01-27-2015, 07:46 PM   #28
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That's why Sid was a better world champion than Ric Flair.
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valid. Withdrawn.

It was more directed at the people who inherently associate "larger than life" with being the draw of wrestling. It certainly CAN be. And, if done right, frequently IS. But history has given us 50 years of Daniel Bryans (Flair, Michaels, Savage, et al) who were every bit as great - frequently better - than their larger-than-life Roman Reigns counterparts.
All of whom were unique and exceptional talents not only by their in-ring skills but also larger than life personas.

Wrestling hasn't always been about "the big guy" you just have to look at the entire history of the business to appreciate that. But to an extent fans do enjoy watching "big guys" beat each other up whether in the wresting ring or in heavyweight boxing etc. Average Joes (and Josephines) like to admire people "better" than themselves. It's exciting and enthralling
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Old 01-28-2015, 01:18 AM   #31
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Main reason, why would you have the champion of your company look like a guy, that any normal person would have a shot at kicking the shit out of them?

Hogan, Andre, Austin, Undertaker, Lesnar, all big, larger than life characters.

Then you age Daniel Bryan.... Hell CM Punk was a guy that looked like anyone off the street could legitimately kick his ass.
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Old 01-28-2015, 04:35 AM   #32
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Hogan was THE guy that put WWE on the map, and delivered an unprecedented run for the company that gave them sustained mainstream appeal for the first time. They've been trying to recreate this for 30 years. Hogan was a big guy, so they need big guy to replicate it.
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Main reason, why would you have the champion of your company look like a guy, that any normal person would have a shot at kicking the shit out of them?

Hogan, Andre, Austin, Undertaker, Lesnar, all big, larger than life characters.

Then you age Daniel Bryan.... Hell CM Punk was a guy that looked like anyone off the street could legitimately kick his ass.
Floyd Mayweather would defeat most, if not all, of those guys in a legitimate fight and he can almost fit in my pocket. I'll never get that logic. I think people generally understand that that size and toughness have little to do with each other
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Floyd Mayweather would defeat most, if not all, of those guys in a legitimate fight and he can almost fit in my pocket. I'll never get that logic. I think people generally understand that that size and toughness have little to do with each other
Mayweather's a pussy. Scared Of manny
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well yeah, the really dumb stuff normally comes from the muties or somebody doing it intentionally. God knows tho, maybe I'm "behind" with ways of the wrestling forum
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