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Old 05-22-2004, 02:32 PM   #1
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Brock Lesnar vs. Batista
Better Physique: Brock Lesnar - He has bigger traps and pecs, he doesn't have those hideous veins popping out all over his chest, and his arms are bigger. However, Batista is more well proportioned.

Strongest: Brock Lesnar - Rob Van Dam said once that he was one of the strongest guys he ever wrestled. He can easily toss guys like Big Show, Rikishi, Mark Henry, A-Train, and Taker around without breaking a sweat. We have yet to see Batista prove himself to be more than just a big physique. During that battle royal on Raw Batista seemed to have trouble spinebusting Kane.

Best Wrestler: Brock Lesnar - His moves are more impressive and he seems to have a better grasp on ring psychology.
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Old 05-22-2004, 02:54 PM   #2
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During that battle royal on Raw Batista seemed to have trouble spinebusting Kane.
That might have been sold, since the whole point of the Royale was to get Kane over as a monster.

I love Batista.
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Old 05-22-2004, 02:59 PM   #3
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Better Physique: Brock Lesnar - He has bigger traps and pecs, he doesn't have those hideous veins popping out all over his chest, and his arms are bigger. However, Batista is more well proportioned.

Strongest: Brock Lesnar - Rob Van Dam said once that he was one of the strongest guys he ever wrestled. He can easily toss guys like Big Show, Rikishi, Mark Henry, A-Train, and Taker around without breaking a sweat. We have yet to see Batista prove himself to be more than just a big physique. During that battle royal on Raw Batista seemed to have trouble spinebusting Kane.

Best Wrestler: Brock Lesnar - His moves are more impressive and he seems to have a better grasp on ring psychology.
You're also forgetting the fact that Lesnar is far younger, was far more over, and that outside of his intimidating look, Batista has nothing that distinguishes him form any other mediocre jober.

But..and this is a huge but....Batista actually loves his job, while Brock just looked at wrestling as a means to an end. So while Brock is more talented than Batista, at least Dave is still around.
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Old 05-22-2004, 03:13 PM   #4
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That's one match-up I would've loved to see. Can you imagine the carnege these two would've created as they attempted moves on each other?
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Old 05-22-2004, 03:47 PM   #5
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That's one match-up I would've loved to see. Can you imagine the carnege these two would've created as they attempted moves on each other?
Brock would have performed a heavy-duty ass beating on Batista.
Either that, or clumsy Dave would've accidentally broken Brock's neck...
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Old 05-22-2004, 03:49 PM   #6
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You're also forgetting the fact that Lesnar is far younger, was far more over, and that outside of his intimidating look, Batista has nothing that distinguishes him form any other mediocre jober.

But..and this is a huge but....Batista actually loves his job, while Brock just looked at wrestling as a means to an end. So while Brock is more talented than Batista, at least Dave is still around.
Amen.
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Old 05-22-2004, 03:54 PM   #7
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Batista's good and very entertaining. He's got a limited moveset, but they're good, and he doesn't botch them.

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Batista has nothing that distinguishes him form any other mediocre jober.
I disagree. Batista has been working pretty extensively with Fit Finlay and you can see it in the little things he does. He grinds his forearms into the face of his opponent when pinning them, for example.

He's also MUCH better on the mic than many "big men." For example, remember when he talked to Flair about getting the tag titles back from Edge and Benoit? And then he went out and was the best part of that tag match.

He's starting to use the Spinebuster as his finisher right now, which is great on SO many levels.

1) It's not a powerbomb.
2) It's being established as a credible finisher right now.
3) It's a nod to the fact that he's basically the Arn Andersen of Evoltuion.

And hell, that spinebuster on Kane last Monday was absolutely swank, especially since it came after a huge sequence of chokeslams.
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Old 05-22-2004, 04:02 PM   #8
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Batista has improved. But he's 35. How much more improvement can we expect? At this rate, he'll be in the main event scene for maybe a year.

And until he cuts a promo without growling or screaming, his mic work is OK, but nothing special.
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Old 05-22-2004, 04:06 PM   #9
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Batista is getting better. I liked his short fued with Austin (even though Austin is a legend, and at that point, anything Austin did was gold, I felt that Batista carried his wieght in that angle). They need to get Batista more than just the 4th member of Evolution. Also, another problem is that there are so many big dudes in the WWE, they can't all be bad asses or monsters like they should be. But at least they are thinning out those ranks, what with Mark Henry, Scott Steiner, Bigshow, Goldberg, and Brock Lesnar...also, is A Train doing anything right now?
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Old 05-22-2004, 04:09 PM   #10
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It's not like he's been wrestling for a long time - he started training 5 years ago. He can stay around longer than most could.

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And until he cuts a promo without growling or screaming, his mic work is OK, but nothing special.
From what I hear, he didn't in OVW...
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Old 05-22-2004, 04:34 PM   #11
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Let's play a game of trivia.

Round #1
Who has a contract?
1) Brock Lesnar
2) Batista
3) The Ginger Bread Man
4) Triple H's Grandmother

Whoever can get this correct should win a special prize.
IMO, Batista wrestles, Brock doesn't. That's enough said right there. I also don't understand where you get off comparing Lesnar to Batista. Their careers were/are nothing alike..
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Old 05-22-2004, 04:50 PM   #12
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BTW, even if he only gets one year in the main event - who cares? Most of WWE only gets short 3 month pushes in the ME then get thrown down to the midcard.
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Old 05-22-2004, 07:13 PM   #13
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Brock can wrestle. Dave kinda does fuck all.
Brock sucks on the mic. Does Dave actually speak?
Brock looks kinda goofy, Dave's a generic hoss.
Brock is trying to be an NFL star. Dave's still "wrestling."

2-1 Lesnar. Point 3 is a tie, no points awarded.
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Old 05-22-2004, 09:13 PM   #14
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Brock can wrestle. Dave kinda does fuck all.
Brock sucks on the mic. Does Dave actually speak?
Brock looks kinda goofy, Dave's a generic hoss.
Brock is trying to be an NFL star. Dave's still "wrestling."

2-1 Lesnar. Point 3 is a tie, no points awarded.
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Old 05-22-2004, 09:28 PM   #15
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A bit about Batista's age... if he did improve to the point of meriting a main event push, he could basically go DDP's road and have a good few years as a main eventer even though he's getting up there in age.

I wouldn't see any problem with his being too old if he could still perform well.
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Old 05-23-2004, 03:26 AM   #16
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I'm not so sure, Batista's becoming quite a credible monster in the ring. Brock, on the other hand, is already an established.....oh wait, I forgot. He QUIT.
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Old 05-23-2004, 03:54 AM   #17
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Brock'll be back.

Batista's credible as a monster til you see him in the ring.
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Old 05-23-2004, 06:06 AM   #18
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I know Vince lurves his big guys, but I think that Batista is way too far down the list to hit main event level.
If he gets given the IC Title, then he should be happy at that.
Plus, I'd probably be able to take him more seriously if he wasn't caked in about 12 layers of fake tan.
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Let's play a game of trivia.

Round #1
Who has a contract?
1) Brock Lesnar
2) Batista
3) The Ginger Bread Man
4) Triple H's Grandmother

Whoever can get this correct should win a special prize.
IMO, Batista wrestles, Brock doesn't. That's enough said right there. I also don't understand where you get off comparing Lesnar to Batista. Their careers were/are nothing alike..
1 and 2.
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Old 05-23-2004, 03:01 PM   #21
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Let's play a game of trivia.

Round #1
Who has a contract?
1) Brock Lesnar
2) Batista
3) The Ginger Bread Man
4) Triple H's Grandmother

Whoever can get this correct should win a special prize.
IMO, Batista wrestles, Brock doesn't. That's enough said right there. I also don't understand where you get off comparing Lesnar to Batista. Their careers were/are nothing alike..
Brock's still under contract. He was given a break to persue something else, but he still has a contract with the WWE, much like Foley did.
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Old 05-23-2004, 04:41 PM   #22
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3) It's a nod to the fact that he's basically the Arn Andersen of Evoltuion.
Bite your tonge... Batista is no where near the talent of an Arn Anderson...

But i understand that he's the "Enforcer" of Evolution but he is no where near what Double A was.
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Old 05-23-2004, 06:25 PM   #24
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Bite your tonge... Batista is no where near the talent of an Arn Anderson...

But i understand that he's the "Enforcer" of Evolution but he is no where near what Double A was.
God, shut the **** up, I never said that.
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Wondermouse didn't say that Batista was as good as Anderson, he was just stating the fact that he's in the position of Evolution that Arn was in the Four Horsemen. HHH is "Flair," Orton is "Blanchard," and Flair and Batista are "Ole" and "Arn." Same formula, just different players.

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A bit about Batista's age... if he did improve to the point of meriting a main event push, he could basically go DDP's road and have a good few years as a main eventer even though he's getting up there in age.

I wouldn't see any problem with his being too old if he could still perform well.
Batista and Flair will still be a tag team in ten years, except they'll both have saggy tits.
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Brock is miles ahead of Batista in every aspect of wrestling.
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God, shut the **** up, I never said that.
Whoa calm down there quick draw no need for all this fussin' and a feudin'. I know you weren't saying that he's as good as Double A. I was just stating that Double A is far superior to Batista, and that statment was completely seprate from your inital statment.

PS, Don't be a f*cking reject and pop off everytime you think someone misunderstands you. Just tell them what you ment and don't be jerk about it. It's called civility, you'd know that if you didn't have a hanger sticking out of your head you failed abortion.
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How about you stop telling me how to post, and shove the petty "bite your tongue" bullshit up your ass.
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How about you stop telling me how to post, and shove the petty "bite your tongue" bullshit up your ass.
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Old 05-24-2004, 09:10 AM   #33
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Batistas 35??? Fuck me I didn't think he was that old. I thought he was just like Brock and Randy Orton like early to mid 20s
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Old 05-24-2004, 12:45 PM   #35
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Batistas 35??? Fuck me I didn't think he was that old. I thought he was just like Brock and Randy Orton like early to mid 20s
Yeah, I thought that too, at first. He's got 2 kids.
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Old 05-24-2004, 11:16 PM   #36
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