I think Sammy Sosa is done.

08-08-2004, 09:35 PM

I thought so last year, I seem some holes in his approach. I thought maybe it was just slump, but he looks the same this year. I just watched him strike out on a breaking ball that was never in the strike zone and it reminded me of my thoughts on him.

What do you think?

What other players do you think are done, that maybe noone else has noticed or mentioned?

**The Miz** · 08-08-2004, 11:16 PM

He is shit now, he has about a home run every 10 K's.

I think Mike Mussina and Juan Gonzalez are done

**The Miz** · 08-08-2004, 11:16 PM

Also Richard Hidalgo

**BCWWF** · 08-08-2004, 11:18 PM

Sammy is still more effective than most players out there

**The Miz** · 08-08-2004, 11:22 PM

If 83 K's in 79 games and a sub-.265 BA is more effective then damn, the rest of the league sucks dick

**BCWWF** · 08-08-2004, 11:53 PM

I just watched him K all over ESPN2. He has good power numbers, but yeah only 55 RBI's is pretty shite, then again he did miss a lot of the season didn't he?

**Boomer** · 08-09-2004, 12:08 AM

LOL I saw that same pitch. That's the kinda pitch little-leaguers swing at.

08-09-2004, 12:27 AM

He's too far off the plate.

I think my man, Shawn Green, is done.

**BCWWF** · 08-09-2004, 12:50 AM

Shawn Green is coming around now isn't he? The Dodgers are set to walk into the playoffs now too

08-09-2004, 01:21 AM

I hope so, but he's a shell of his former self, has been for 2 years now. It saddens me.

Another I think is done, even though he was never a huge hit, Hinske.

**Heyman** · 08-09-2004, 01:24 AM

Kelly Gruber.

**KingofOldSchool** · 08-09-2004, 01:57 AM

Crime Dog.

**KleptoKlown** · 08-09-2004, 04:00 AM

the thing with sammy...really makes you think about the corked bat even more.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 08-09-2004, 04:01 AM

They searched all his bats though. The ones from the Hall of Fame, ones he had on him. All of them (I think it was 58?) came back clean

**KleptoKlown** · 08-09-2004, 04:06 AM

yeah, but it really was around the same time.

I still belive it was unitentional, but the timming does make you take a second look.

For all we know, he could have known he was slipping before it showed in the stats and he used the corked bat to compinsate.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 08-09-2004, 04:11 AM

Yea you never know, but alteast you know all his "milestone" HRs where hit with "legit bats"

His swing just doesn't look right, just swings really hard.

**ct2k** · 08-09-2004, 09:39 AM

Joe Morgan made a good point about his swing last night and basically said he's just not reaching balls on the outside of the plate, strikes! And that change-up he went after last night was way way out of strike zone, certainly strange behaviour for him.

Jeff Bagwell has hardly been himself this season, same for Shawn Green, Juan Gonzalez has been injured the last few years so its not like he's been around much to properly assess, i'd be surprised if he didn't bounce back. And i hate to say it but Bernie Williams has been in a HORRIBLE slump, he's hitting below .250 right now which is unheard of for him, though i don't think he's finished yet by any means, he sure needs to get things going.

08-09-2004, 10:56 AM

Bernie isn't done, I don't think. Lots of injuries... he's gotta get over that and then hopefully for him he can still be productive.

I really do think these last couple years, Sammy still ends up with quite a few HRs because pitchers aren't afraid to throw to him, they don't... I dunno... think hard when facing him. So he still got 40HRs last year. Unless Sammy takes agressive action in the off season to regain that touch of hi, I don't think he'll be a 40 HR guy again.

Get carreer numbers though, can't deny that.

**Boomer** · 08-09-2004, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct2k

Joe Morgan made a good point about his swing last night and basically said he's just not reaching balls on the outside of the plate, strikes! And that change-up he went after last night was way way out of strike zone, certainly strange behaviour for him.

Jeff Bagwell has hardly been himself this season, same for Shawn Green, Juan Gonzalez has been injured the last few years so its not like he's been around much to properly assess, i'd be surprised if he didn't bounce back. And i hate to say it but Bernie Williams has been in a HORRIBLE slump, he's hitting below .250 right now which is unheard of for him, though i don't think he's finished yet by any means, he sure needs to get things going.

Well have you seen Bagwell throw a ball to third? He has needed shoulder surgery all year and has little power in his upper body. But he refuses to have the surgery done until the end of the season.

08-09-2004, 04:22 PM

Sosa really needs to be moved out of the 4 spot

player I believe are done

Maddux
Nomar(he's a horendous filder)
Pretty soon- Piazza

**The Miz** · 08-09-2004, 04:25 PM

He has the 2nd highest career average of ANY shortstop EVER. And I don't even think he's 30 yet.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 08-09-2004, 04:26 PM

LOL how is Nomar all done?

**ct2k** · 08-09-2004, 07:04 PM

Yeah that's a fuckin stupid suggestion. Piazza...I kinda agree with partly, i think him going to 1st proves he's not as fit as he once was, although catcher is probably the most physically demanding of all positions anyway. We'll see with him, he's such an awesome hitter i don't see why he couldn't go on for a while even if it was as a DH in the AL.

08-09-2004, 09:40 PM

Piazza is ok, getting away from the catcher position was a very wise move. Nomar is far from done. Hell he could play another 10+ years yet.

**BCWWF** · 08-09-2004, 10:44 PM

Joe Mauer could easilly be done playing catcher that is

**The Outlaw** · 08-10-2004, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner

Sosa really needs to be moved out of the 4 spot

player I believe are done

Maddux
Nomar(he's a horendous filder)
Pretty soon- Piazza

You are what we like to call a moron

**Moonax** · 08-10-2004, 10:42 PM

Sosa is the sort of player who when he misses it always looks fucking ugly. Thome is the same.

Green is toast.

Andruw Jones is done. He's never gonna be the superstar that people thought he was going to be.

**ct2k** · 08-11-2004, 07:24 AM

The arrival of Albert Pujols pretty much eclipsed his status as exciting young NL Outfielder with a hot bat, though he's only done in that sense. I'm fairly sure he'll carry on posting good numbers and helping the Braves or whatever team it is he's on in the defensive department.

**Moonax** · 08-11-2004, 01:55 PM

He's not that great defensively. He's ok.

He's never gonna be Hunter. He does just enought to keep himself in a job. He could have been amazing but he's regressed. Doesn't run, minimal power, minimal average.

**ct2k** · 08-11-2004, 02:00 PM

maybe the Braves shoulda kept Jermaine Dye and dropped Jones then eh

**Moonax** · 08-11-2004, 02:53 PM

I was simply saying that he is not going to be the superstar that people and Johnny 'twat' Gould think that he was going to be. He's pretty much peaked. He probably could have been much better but he couldn't be bothered.

He's also a flat track bully. He's great at feasting on crappy pitching but when you need someone to come through with clutch hits - he always chokes.

**Splaya** · 08-11-2004, 02:59 PM

Sosa I think is slumping because his sneezes are causing his back to hurt again. I think he is not telling us more than he should be

**The Outlaw** · 08-11-2004, 04:41 PM

Andruw is amazing in the field IMO.

**ct2k** · 08-11-2004, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonax

I was simply saying that he is not going to be the superstar that people and Johnny 'twat' Gould think that he was going to be. He's pretty much peaked. He probably could have been much better but he couldn't be bothered.

He's also a flat track bully. He's great at feasting on crappy pitching but when you need someone to come through with clutch hits - he always chokes.

Johnny Gould ain't that bad

But his Braves worship is a little annoying.

I say bring back Macklin

**Moonax** · 08-11-2004, 07:38 PM

Well he could be worse. I remember when it was presented by Tommy Boyd.

Although the best thing about Gould having such a hard on for the braves is when they get beat. I still chuckle about the world series when they got swept.

Joe Morgan gets on my tits as well. Read my lips Joe - I don't give a shit about Willie fucking Mays being Balco Bond's godfather.

macklin was the man. Todd's teaser ruled.

**ct2k** · 08-11-2004, 07:43 PM

Hell yes! Retro!

Joe Morgan is the man, but he does kiss Barry's ass a lot, but he's still the man, so's Jon Miller...And Rick Sutcliffe and Chris Berman, those 4 are my favourites anyway.

And yeah, loved th 99 WS

**Moonax** · 08-11-2004, 07:47 PM

I am actually old enough to remember when the football on C4 was presented by the Vicious Boys (or something like that) - this is pre-Mick Luckhurst/Gary Imalch.

Jon Miller can be a cock with all the Spanish stuff and they can be pretty patronising of the latino players.

**ct2k** · 08-11-2004, 07:49 PM

Yeah but i think thats partly put upon them by ESPN.

Chris Berman is probably my favourite infact, just for the totally random things he says, usually when so and so is coming to the plate.

**Moonax** · 08-11-2004, 07:58 PM

Well my pet peeve is the attitude towards East Europeans in the Ice Hockey. Mind you Clive Fucknut pissed me off for the same reason tonight.

I get pretty pissed off with the games we get in the UK. We see the Giants, yankees, Cards, Cubs, Bo Sox and Mets. It would be nice to see some other teams. D-Rays, Indians, Twins. jays. I accept that they want the 'name' teams but if we could have them playing someone different it would be good.

I think we get like 50 or so regular season games and it winds me up when we see yanks-bo sox 5 times.

Also, what's the point of them using K zone if every time the ball is about a mile outside the box and it's called a strike and joe Morgan turns around and says about it's close to the zone and K zone is really accurate. I'm like fuck off, it wasn't a strike.

**ct2k** · 08-11-2004, 08:02 PM

Its not up to channel 5 its up to ESPN, they shedule it all at the beginning of the season, no one expected Tampa to be anything but shit again this season, hence them being no where on the shedule!

Obviously i enjoy seeing the Yankees and we see them a fair bit...I just wanna see a little more AL ball besides that. More often than not its NL and more often than not that means either Cards, Cubs or Giants or a combo of 2 of em. The Twins have been riding high for a while now and there's no excuse for them not to be on the roster more

08-08-2004, 09:35 PM	#1
YOUR Hero Guest Posts: n/a	I think Sammy Sosa is done. I thought so last year, I seem some holes in his approach. I thought maybe it was just slump, but he looks the same this year. I just watched him strike out on a breaking ball that was never in the strike zone and it reminded me of my thoughts on him. What do you think? What other players do you think are done, that maybe noone else has noticed or mentioned?

08-08-2004, 11:16 PM	#2
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	He is shit now, he has about a home run every 10 K's. I think Mike Mussina and Juan Gonzalez are done

08-08-2004, 11:18 PM	#4
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Sammy is still more effective than most players out there

08-08-2004, 11:22 PM	#5
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	If 83 K's in 79 games and a sub-.265 BA is more effective then damn, the rest of the league sucks dick

08-08-2004, 11:53 PM	#6
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I just watched him K all over ESPN2. He has good power numbers, but yeah only 55 RBI's is pretty shite, then again he did miss a lot of the season didn't he?

08-09-2004, 12:08 AM	#7
Boomer The Wretched Posts: 4,690	LOL I saw that same pitch. That's the kinda pitch little-leaguers swing at.

08-09-2004, 12:27 AM	#8
YOUR Hero Guest Posts: n/a	He's too far off the plate. I think my man, Shawn Green, is done.

08-09-2004, 12:50 AM	#9
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Shawn Green is coming around now isn't he? The Dodgers are set to walk into the playoffs now too

08-09-2004, 01:21 AM	#10
YOUR Hero Guest Posts: n/a	I hope so, but he's a shell of his former self, has been for 2 years now. It saddens me. Another I think is done, even though he was never a huge hit, Hinske.

08-09-2004, 01:24 AM	#11
Heyman Father of Hinduship Posts: 21,083	Kelly Gruber.

08-09-2004, 01:57 AM	#12
KingofOldSchool ...IN HD!!!! Posts: 23,327	Crime Dog.

08-09-2004, 04:00 AM	#13
KleptoKlown You're a Fucken Samsquach Posts: 21,739	the thing with sammy...really makes you think about the corked bat even more.

08-09-2004, 04:01 AM	#14
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	They searched all his bats though. The ones from the Hall of Fame, ones he had on him. All of them (I think it was 58?) came back clean

08-09-2004, 04:06 AM	#15
KleptoKlown You're a Fucken Samsquach Posts: 21,739	yeah, but it really was around the same time. I still belive it was unitentional, but the timming does make you take a second look. For all we know, he could have known he was slipping before it showed in the stats and he used the corked bat to compinsate.

08-09-2004, 04:11 AM	#16
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Yea you never know, but alteast you know all his "milestone" HRs where hit with "legit bats" His swing just doesn't look right, just swings really hard.

08-09-2004, 09:39 AM	#17
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	Joe Morgan made a good point about his swing last night and basically said he's just not reaching balls on the outside of the plate, strikes! And that change-up he went after last night was way way out of strike zone, certainly strange behaviour for him. Jeff Bagwell has hardly been himself this season, same for Shawn Green, Juan Gonzalez has been injured the last few years so its not like he's been around much to properly assess, i'd be surprised if he didn't bounce back. And i hate to say it but Bernie Williams has been in a HORRIBLE slump, he's hitting below .250 right now which is unheard of for him, though i don't think he's finished yet by any means, he sure needs to get things going.

08-09-2004, 10:56 AM	#18
YOUR Hero Guest Posts: n/a	Bernie isn't done, I don't think. Lots of injuries... he's gotta get over that and then hopefully for him he can still be productive. I really do think these last couple years, Sammy still ends up with quite a few HRs because pitchers aren't afraid to throw to him, they don't... I dunno... think hard when facing him. So he still got 40HRs last year. Unless Sammy takes agressive action in the off season to regain that touch of hi, I don't think he'll be a 40 HR guy again. Get carreer numbers though, can't deny that.

08-09-2004, 04:22 PM	#20
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	Sosa really needs to be moved out of the 4 spot player I believe are done Maddux Nomar(he's a horendous filder) Pretty soon- Piazza

08-09-2004, 04:25 PM	#21
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	He has the 2nd highest career average of ANY shortstop EVER. And I don't even think he's 30 yet.

08-09-2004, 04:26 PM	#22
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	LOL how is Nomar all done?

08-09-2004, 07:04 PM	#23
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	Yeah that's a fuckin stupid suggestion. Piazza...I kinda agree with partly, i think him going to 1st proves he's not as fit as he once was, although catcher is probably the most physically demanding of all positions anyway. We'll see with him, he's such an awesome hitter i don't see why he couldn't go on for a while even if it was as a DH in the AL.

08-09-2004, 09:40 PM	#24
YOUR Hero Guest Posts: n/a	Piazza is ok, getting away from the catcher position was a very wise move. Nomar is far from done. Hell he could play another 10+ years yet.

08-09-2004, 10:44 PM	#25
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Joe Mauer could easilly be done playing catcher that is

08-10-2004, 10:42 PM	#27
Moonax Sunteti chiar prost? Posts: 15,102	Sosa is the sort of player who when he misses it always looks fucking ugly. Thome is the same. Green is toast. Andruw Jones is done. He's never gonna be the superstar that people thought he was going to be.

08-11-2004, 07:24 AM	#28
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	The arrival of Albert Pujols pretty much eclipsed his status as exciting young NL Outfielder with a hot bat, though he's only done in that sense. I'm fairly sure he'll carry on posting good numbers and helping the Braves or whatever team it is he's on in the defensive department.

08-11-2004, 01:55 PM	#29
Moonax Sunteti chiar prost? Posts: 15,102	He's not that great defensively. He's ok. He's never gonna be Hunter. He does just enought to keep himself in a job. He could have been amazing but he's regressed. Doesn't run, minimal power, minimal average.

08-11-2004, 02:00 PM	#30
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	maybe the Braves shoulda kept Jermaine Dye and dropped Jones then eh

08-11-2004, 02:53 PM	#31
Moonax Sunteti chiar prost? Posts: 15,102	I was simply saying that he is not going to be the superstar that people and Johnny 'twat' Gould think that he was going to be. He's pretty much peaked. He probably could have been much better but he couldn't be bothered. He's also a flat track bully. He's great at feasting on crappy pitching but when you need someone to come through with clutch hits - he always chokes.

08-11-2004, 02:59 PM	#32
Splaya 1-0 TPWW Chess Master Posts: 17,211	Sosa I think is slumping because his sneezes are causing his back to hurt again. I think he is not telling us more than he should be

08-11-2004, 04:41 PM	#33
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Andruw is amazing in the field IMO.

08-11-2004, 07:38 PM	#35
Moonax Sunteti chiar prost? Posts: 15,102	Well he could be worse. I remember when it was presented by Tommy Boyd. Although the best thing about Gould having such a hard on for the braves is when they get beat. I still chuckle about the world series when they got swept. Joe Morgan gets on my tits as well. Read my lips Joe - I don't give a shit about Willie fucking Mays being Balco Bond's godfather. macklin was the man. Todd's teaser ruled.