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Old 03-28-2006, 12:16 AM   #1
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Does Pete Rose deserve to be in the HoF?

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Old 03-28-2006, 12:20 AM   #2
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he's a douche
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Old 03-28-2006, 12:31 AM   #3
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of course he does

he's one of the greatest players ever
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Old 03-28-2006, 12:38 AM   #4
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rosepe01.shtml

There is no need for an explanation. The numbers speak for themselves.
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Old 03-28-2006, 05:20 AM   #5
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No, coz he got his arse kicked by Kane in heaps of Wrestlemanias.
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Old 03-28-2006, 12:15 PM   #6
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You'd think he'd be satisfied with being in the WWE Hall of Fame.
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:02 PM   #7
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Absolutely. He did a whole lot more good for his teams than bad. You know, what with the World Series titles and the all-time hits record and all.

Sadly, though, I imagine he'll wind up voted in posthumously since it's a "lifetime" ban.
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:04 PM   #8
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Yeah. The numbers don't lie. He'll get it one day.
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Old 03-28-2006, 02:02 PM   #9
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Yes he does. Someone correct me if I'm mistaken but he never gambled on his own team losing so it wasn't like he threw games. This would be like Diego Maradona not being allowed in any football Hall of Fame because he got fat and did a bit of coke. Mistakes happen.
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Old 03-28-2006, 02:22 PM   #10
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yeah never bet on his own team to lose. Check out the numbers, no way he shouldn't.
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Old 03-28-2006, 06:55 PM   #11
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If he bet on his team to lose he'd be broke as a joke. Maybe if more people bet on themselves to win they'd get 4000 hits too.
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Old 03-28-2006, 07:30 PM   #12
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Nope.



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But Jackson bet against his team and cost them the World Series.

How many World Serieses (Series? Serie?) did Rose throw?

1975? Oh, wait. They won.
1976? Oh, wait. They won.
1980? Oh, wait. They won.

His teams lost in 1972 and 1983.

In '72, they went seven games against a very good Oakland team that had guys like Catfish Hunter (who was in the top 5 in wins and ERA that year), Joe Rudi (who hit .305), Mike Epstein and Reggie Jackson (who had 25+ HRs each). It was also three years before the "Big Red Machine" got rolling. Never heard a thing about Rose throwing this Series.

In '83, his Phillies lost 4-1 to Baltimore. By that point, Rose's career was practically over (He only hit .245 and it was the first season in his career where he averaged less than one hit per game). This was far from Rose's team anyway (it was Mike Schmidt's). Again, never heard word one about Rose costing the '83 Phillies the Series.

So, while the gambling thing connects Rose and Jackson, the situations were very different. Jackson's actually affected the games he was playing. Rose's didn't.
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But Jackson bet against his team and cost them the World Series.
Jackson never recieved a dime and only agreed because he was too "stupid" to really think about it. And he only hit.....

1919 World Series:
12/32 H/AB, 5 R, 3 2B, 1 HR, 6 RBI, 1 BB, 2 SO, .375 AVG, .562 SLG

"Shoeless" Joe Jackson might be the greatest player NOT in the hall and one of the top 10 players of all time.
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Old 03-28-2006, 08:16 PM   #16
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That guy is clearly wearing shoes.
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Old 03-28-2006, 08:30 PM   #17
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So he is... Hmm...
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Old 03-28-2006, 08:58 PM   #18
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Whitey Ford, Don Sutton, and Gaylord Perry all openly admit to cheating while they played and they're all in the Hall. Babe Ruth was the first person to ever be caught with an illegal bat.
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Old 03-28-2006, 10:07 PM   #19
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Look up Shoeless' numbers in the infamous playoffs.

Rose deserves to be in. Even if Joe Jackson doesn't get in, that's not Pete's fault. (although i know what you're point was)
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Look up Shoeless' numbers in the infamous playoffs.

Rose deserves to be in. Even if Joe Jackson doesn't get in, that's not Pete's fault. (although i know what you're point was)
I already gave you his 1919 World Series numbers, there were no "playoffs" then.
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I already gave you his 1919 World Series numbers, there were no "playoffs" then.
I used the wrong wording. Sue me. Asshole.

I know you posted his numbers, I was agreeing with you. Asshole.



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I used the wrong wording. Sue me. Asshole.

I know you posted his numbers, I was agreeing with you. Asshole.



Good deal. Asshole.

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Yea, Slugs already argued for me what I would of argued. Jackson's numbers in that series put to rest any discussion of him costing the Sox the series. It was mostly Cicotte and Williams that screwed them over if we want to get into that discussion. Weaver played straight also. It's a load of crap that you don't have one of the top 5 left fielders of all-time in the Hall when all he was guilty of was knowledge of the fix.
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Rose gets in, but only as a player. There's no evidence of him gambling as a player, only as a manager. Put him in with a footnote re: gambling.
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