Wow (raw main event spoilers)

**Splaya** · 02-23-2004, 11:10 PM

The buildup was great tonight. Kane's pyro scared the shit out of me, and when Lesnar came from behind I marked out for the first time in over a year. Raw is seemingly getting better and better.

Your thoughts?

**The CyNick** · 02-23-2004, 11:25 PM

It all seemed way too rushed to me.

Part of the problem with the announcement is that as a fan I haven't been told that RAW guys cant fight SD guys. Had they played up the fact that interpromotional matches cannot be booked on a regular basis, then the announcement that at Mania they can be would have been a bigger deal. The way it was, I think most of the crowd expected the matches to be booked. Not that thats a bad thing, but the whole thing came off as being not that big of a deal, of course that could also be a result of the fact that Ive known about these matches since like Spet.

Austin as part of the Lesnar-Goldberg deal is good, although I hope they dont shift the focus away from the actual workers on to Austin. lesnar had to do something to Austin since it look slike Goldberg wont be on TV till Mania. Now Austin has a beef with both guys, and that makes the match more unpredictable.

Long-term planning here, I think it would be sweet if they started a build to Austin vs Lesnar for Wrestlemania XXI. I said this before, but I think Austin should Stun Goldberg after the match at Mania to send him packing. However, it might be cool if Austin went to Stun Lesnar, but Lesnar gets out of the way. Then on the 3 Big PPVs we see confrontations between Austin and Lesnar, finally leading to the match at Mania next year.

Vince vs Eric was a useless waste of time.

**Iceman90** · 02-23-2004, 11:27 PM

I thought it was a good show all the way around.

I have noticed a slight rise in the RAW product over the last month.

I am however, dissipointed that Victoria won the Woman's Belt. There are too many heel women. A face holding the belt (Lita) would make the matches better, and more logical.

Maybe Stacy and Ms. Jackie should wrestle.

Anyways, I didn't like the main event, but at least Hunter didn't wrestle tonight, and that is always a plus

**Splaya** · 02-23-2004, 11:29 PM

Victoria is a face now. Good job in the research department there buddy.

**HeartBreakMan2k** · 02-23-2004, 11:31 PM

My one big complaint with the way the interpromotional matches were actually booked, was that it seemed like all you really had to do was beg Vince and it was done, Kane and Taker should have been announced tonight. Berg vs Brock on Smackdown via Brock snapping and forcing Vince to book it or risk getting killed, and Jackie/Stacey vs Sable/Torrie... well that just shouldn't happen.

As a whole though, it worked well to me.

**HeartBreakMan2k** · 02-23-2004, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman90

I am however, dissipointed that Victoria won the Woman's Belt. There are too many heel women. A face holding the belt (Lita) would make the matches better, and more logical.

As Splaya just said, Victoria is a face now.

Also keep Lita away from the title, she's not very good.

**KingofOldSchool** · 02-23-2004, 11:33 PM

Shut the **** up CyNick your whiney "find a problem with everything in the WWE" philosophy is annoying.

02-23-2004, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick

It all seemed way too rushed to me.

Part of the problem with the announcement is that as a fan I haven't been told that RAW guys cant fight SD guys. Had they played up the fact that interpromotional matches cannot be booked on a regular basis, then the announcement that at Mania they can be would have been a bigger deal. The way it was, I think most of the crowd expected the matches to be booked. Not that thats a bad thing, but the whole thing came off as being not that big of a deal, of course that could also be a result of the fact that Ive known about these matches since like Spet.

Austin as part of the Lesnar-Goldberg deal is good, although I hope they dont shift the focus away from the actual workers on to Austin. lesnar had to do something to Austin since it look slike Goldberg wont be on TV till Mania. Now Austin has a beef with both guys, and that makes the match more unpredictable.

Long-term planning here, I think it would be sweet if they started a build to Austin vs Lesnar for Wrestlemania XXI. I said this before, but I think Austin should Stun Goldberg after the match at Mania to send him packing. However, it might be cool if Austin went to Stun Lesnar, but Lesnar gets out of the way. Then on the 3 Big PPVs we see confrontations between Austin and Lesnar, finally leading to the match at Mania next year.

Vince vs Eric was a useless waste of time.

you know you marked out at Lesner F5ing Austin Cynick.

**Iceman90** · 02-23-2004, 11:38 PM

I think that the ease that the interpromotional matches were booked weakens the brand extension.

**Splaya** · 02-23-2004, 11:40 PM

There could have been more buildup yes. But I think they wanted to get them all out of the way on one night, so for the next 3 weeks they can take everything to the absolute best level that they can.

**Iceman90** · 02-23-2004, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by splaya

There could have been more buildup yes. But I think they wanted to get them all out of the way on one night, so for the next 3 weeks they can take everything to the absolute best level that they can.

Not just the build up, but look at the premise behind the extension:

2 SEPERATE brands. They have worked hard to distance the 2 brands in the past (giving them their own champs, etc.) yet, they can easily just ASK and they get an interpromotional match.

Well, then why didn't anyone ASK earlier?

If this was played like 2 TRUE seperate brands, you couldn't just ask. Nobody in WCW was able to ASK Turner for a shot at a WWE guy.

They need to keep the brands seperate.

Anyways, I can rant on this all night, but I got homework to do!

**Splaya** · 02-23-2004, 11:48 PM

I can rant all night and trust me your wrong. Cause it's about one thing, the Raw/SD brand extension doesn't mean jackshit right now. The only thing that matters is Vince getting his buyrates. It's about the almighty dollar in the end. And the only way he is going to do that is by getting people to hear the big ass matches that there are going to be. Plus I guarantee at least 1 diva in that tag team evening gown- missed spot fest tag match goes nude. I guarantee it.

**Iceman90** · 02-23-2004, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by splaya

I can rant all night and trust me your wrong. Cause it's about one thing, the Raw/SD brand extension doesn't mean jackshit right now. The only thing that matters is Vince getting his buyrates. It's about the almighty dollar in the end. And the only way he is going to do that is by getting people to hear the big ass matches that there are going to be. Plus I guarantee at least 1 diva in that tag team evening gown- missed spot fest tag match goes nude. I guarantee it.

Hey, Vince isn't gonna get me buyi9ng WM XX.

I know it is about the $ in the end, but I don't give a shit, I WANT THE ACTION, AND HE SCREWED IT UP!!

Lesner/Goldberg - We will see 10 DIFFERENT moves total in this match

Diva Match - The nude pics will be posted online

Kane/Taker - Old School Brawl, same as we have seen from them in the past.

**The CyNick** · 02-23-2004, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool

Shut the **** up CyNick your whiney "find a problem with everything in the WWE" philosophy is annoying.

The day you actually add something to a thread then you can talk, until then keep your lame comments to yourself.

**KingofOldSchool** · 02-24-2004, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick

The day you actually add something to a thread then you can talk, until then keep your lame comments to yourself.

Ok.

OMGMGOMG WWE SUXXXS!111!!

TRIPLE H HOLDZ DOWN WRESTLERS!!

BOYCOTT!!

*ahem*

That is a typical rant of the Internet mark so I guess I can speak now.

**Splaya** · 02-24-2004, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman90

Hey, Vince isn't gonna get me buyi9ng WM XX.

I know it is about the $ in the end, but I don't give a shit, I WANT THE ACTION, AND HE SCREWED IT UP!!

Lesner/Goldberg - We will see 10 DIFFERENT moves total in this match

Diva Match - The nude pics will be posted online

Kane/Taker - Old School Brawl, same as we have seen from them in the past.

So your telling me you have no interest in the triple threat match, the Lesnar/Goldberg match and how Austin will fit into that, the Diva match, and the biggest and best buildup so far this Century: The Kane/Taker match. Honestly man if this doesn't make you order a PPV then please go talk somewhere else. I've got a satellite dish and I already have it pre ordered.

**KingofOldSchool** · 02-24-2004, 12:07 AM

The Diva match - No
Lesnar/Goldberg - No
The Rest - Yes

**Iceman90** · 02-24-2004, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by splaya

So your telling me you have no interest in the triple threat match, the Lesnar/Goldberg match and how Austin will fit into that, the Diva match, and the biggest and best buildup so far this Century: The Kane/Taker match. Honestly man if this doesn't make you order a PPV then please go talk somewhere else. I've got a satellite dish and I already have it pre ordered.

I just wanna see the Diva match for nude women, not the match.

Taker/Kane slightly interests me, but not enough to order the whole show (I'll borrow the tape from by buddy).

I have always been a fan of great wrestling not this Goldberg/Lesner brawl fest that they are highlighting.

The Benoit/HBK/HHH match would be good, except we all know how it will turn out, and that HHH won't go down clean.

**KingofOldSchool** · 02-24-2004, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman90

I just wanna see the Diva match for nude women, not the match.

Then go rent porn you stupid bastard.

**Iceman90** · 02-24-2004, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool

Then go rent porn you stupid bastard.

Well, there will be no Diva match. Those 4 can't wrestle.

**Splaya** · 02-24-2004, 12:14 AM

Did you watch wrestling back in the day. I mean Sable did Sable bombs and Sablecanranna's all the time. I really doubt she could now but I'll pull a holy shit if she does.

**Iceman90** · 02-24-2004, 01:03 AM

Yeah, I watched wrestling back in the day.

Sable USED to be good. Now she is just another old lady.

**Mikey** · 02-24-2004, 09:10 AM

The only reason I want to see the Lesnar-Goldberg match is to laugh when they get Stunners

**ColdwaVer** · 02-24-2004, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman90

I just wanna see the Diva match for nude women, not the match.

If you really beleive that any of those four is going to end up naked for more time than the nipple flashes we've seen from Jackie on Raw, then you are an even sorrier individual than your posts indicate.

**The CyNick** · 02-24-2004, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool

Ok.

OMGMGOMG WWE SUXXXS!111!!

TRIPLE H HOLDZ DOWN WRESTLERS!!

BOYCOTT!!

*ahem*

That is a typical rant of the Internet mark so I guess I can speak now.

I dont understand why you need to throw in the personal insults. If you have an opinion/news item, post it, let people debate it. But when you resort to the insults it shows you have nothing to contribute.

I may complain a lot about the WWE, but thats because the product has been going south for the better part of 3 years now, so its justified. Also, I dont just bitch about how bad things are, I contribute ideas/news items. I mean if you contributed 1/10th of the positive things I contribute to this site then maybe I could take criticism from you, but thats not the case now is it?

**Ricky** · 02-24-2004, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikey

The only reason I want to see the Lesnar-Goldberg match is to laugh when they get Stunners

lol yeah same here.

**KingofOldSchool** · 02-24-2004, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick

I may complain a lot about the WWE, but thats because the product has been going south for the better part of 3 years now, so its justified. Also, I dont just bitch about how bad things are, I contribute ideas/news items. I mean if you contributed 1/10th of the positive things I contribute to this site then maybe I could take criticism from you, but thats not the case now is it?

I did at one time, then whiney idiots like yourself came along and I just didn't give a rat's ass anymore.

**BasicThuganomics** · 02-25-2004, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman90

I just wanna see the Diva match for nude women, not the match.

Taker/Kane slightly interests me, but not enough to order the whole show (I'll borrow the tape from by buddy).

I have always been a fan of great wrestling not this Goldberg/Lesner brawl fest that they are highlighting.

The Benoit/HBK/HHH match would be good, except we all know how it will turn out, and that HHH won't go down clean.

Well, if you are a fan of great wrestling then you will want to see WMXX simply for the Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle match. This match could easily end up being match of the year. Not to mention the cruiserweight battle royal that is rumored to happen. Y2J vs Christian should also be pretty good as well. If RVD and Booker T actually make it on the card, (I can only hope) Then i am sure that they will put on a good match too. Foley/Rock vs Evolution (rumored) should very good also. Basically, I think this is shaping up to be a very good Wrestlemania that is worth buying.

**Savio** · 02-25-2004, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick

Vince vs Eric was a useless waste of time.

Yes vince no sold

**Ol Dirty Dastard** · 02-25-2004, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool

I did at one time, then whiney idiots like yourself came along and I just didn't give a rat's ass anymore.

lol, CyNick is probably a better poster than you ever were.

No offence or anything, but he adds a lot to the wrestling forum.

**Bad Guy** · 02-25-2004, 05:15 PM

the one week i dont watch raw it gets good. figures.

**The CyNick** · 02-25-2004, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Carrington

Yes vince no sold

Yeah I noticed that (how could you miss it), its funny that Eric is a legit karate expert (well maybe not an expert, but he's decent I assume) and yet Vince cant sell a kick from a guy who knows karate. I know wrestling is a work, and it doesn't have to be 100% realistic, but geez, you would think Vince could sell something.

02-25-2004, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash Bang Newstead

lol, CyNick is probably a better poster than you ever were.

No offence or anything, but he adds a lot to the wrestling forum.

CyNick, Kane Knight and Rob = 3 best posters in wrestling forum. Heyman gets an honarable mention.

**ilt_undertaker** · 02-25-2004, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HeartBreakKid2k

Also keep Lita away from the ~~title~~ring, she's not very good.

**ilt_undertaker** · 02-25-2004, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HeartBreakKid2k

Also keep Lita away from the ~~title~~ ring, she's not very good.

**The CyNick** · 02-25-2004, 06:16 PM

Cannon/Newstead:

appreciate the love, you guys aint so bad yourselves.

I actually wasn't trying to get support or anything (but like I said its appreciated), my main point was I dont see the point of anyone using personal attacks. I know thats going to happen all the time on a public message board, but I expect the people who have been here a long time, and actually know a thing or two about wrestling (so they dont 'need' to resort to name calling) to stick to talking about wrestling. You can disagree and think someone's points are dumb, but when we get the name calling stuff I think it wastes everyone's time.

**Ol Dirty Dastard** · 02-25-2004, 06:43 PM

Yeah, but whatever, KOS is being a dumbass so I figured it was best to shut him up.

I was the man in this forum backin late 2001 up until the end of '02. The good ol' days

, well there was some pretty crappy wrestling going on but still

**HeartBreakMan2k** · 02-25-2004, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ilt_undertaker

plus rep

**ilt_undertaker** · 02-25-2004, 09:11 PM

^

+ rep

**BasicThuganomics** · 02-25-2004, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash Bang Newstead

Yeah, but whatever, KOS is being a dumbass so I figured it was best to shut him up.

I was the man in this forum backin late 2001 up until the end of '02. The good ol' days

, well there was some pretty crappy wrestling going on but still

you were the man in this forum? HAHA!!!!!!

jk....

02-23-2004, 11:27 PM	#3
Iceman90 Posts: 433	I thought it was a good show all the way around. I have noticed a slight rise in the RAW product over the last month. I am however, dissipointed that Victoria won the Woman's Belt. There are too many heel women. A face holding the belt (Lita) would make the matches better, and more logical. Maybe Stacy and Ms. Jackie should wrestle. Anyways, I didn't like the main event, but at least Hunter didn't wrestle tonight, and that is always a plus Jacko Is Wacko If You Are A Boy! TPWW Hardcore Champion (10) 02/03/04 - Took vacant title 02/03/04 - pinned CANADIAN. 02/03/04 - pinned CANADIAN. 02/03/04 - pinned CANADIAN yet again to regain the belt. 03/03/04 - pinned splaya. 03/03/04 - pinned thuganomicalcrippler. 03/03/04 - pinned splaya. 03/03/04 - defeated Helmsphere by submission. 07/03/2004 - pinned Savior. 21/03/2004 - pinned JasonVoorhees

02-23-2004, 11:38 PM	#9
Iceman90 Posts: 433	I think that the ease that the interpromotional matches were booked weakens the brand extension. Jacko Is Wacko If You Are A Boy! TPWW Hardcore Champion (10) 02/03/04 - Took vacant title 02/03/04 - pinned CANADIAN. 02/03/04 - pinned CANADIAN. 02/03/04 - pinned CANADIAN yet again to regain the belt. 03/03/04 - pinned splaya. 03/03/04 - pinned thuganomicalcrippler. 03/03/04 - pinned splaya. 03/03/04 - defeated Helmsphere by submission. 07/03/2004 - pinned Savior. 21/03/2004 - pinned JasonVoorhees

02-23-2004, 11:25 PM	#2
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	It all seemed way too rushed to me. Part of the problem with the announcement is that as a fan I haven't been told that RAW guys cant fight SD guys. Had they played up the fact that interpromotional matches cannot be booked on a regular basis, then the announcement that at Mania they can be would have been a bigger deal. The way it was, I think most of the crowd expected the matches to be booked. Not that thats a bad thing, but the whole thing came off as being not that big of a deal, of course that could also be a result of the fact that Ive known about these matches since like Spet. Austin as part of the Lesnar-Goldberg deal is good, although I hope they dont shift the focus away from the actual workers on to Austin. lesnar had to do something to Austin since it look slike Goldberg wont be on TV till Mania. Now Austin has a beef with both guys, and that makes the match more unpredictable. Long-term planning here, I think it would be sweet if they started a build to Austin vs Lesnar for Wrestlemania XXI. I said this before, but I think Austin should Stun Goldberg after the match at Mania to send him packing. However, it might be cool if Austin went to Stun Lesnar, but Lesnar gets out of the way. Then on the 3 Big PPVs we see confrontations between Austin and Lesnar, finally leading to the match at Mania next year. Vince vs Eric was a useless waste of time.

02-23-2004, 11:29 PM	#4
Splaya 1-0 TPWW Chess Master Posts: 17,212	Victoria is a face now. Good job in the research department there buddy.

02-23-2004, 11:31 PM	#5
HeartBreakMan2k Franchise of TPWW Posts: 15,458	My one big complaint with the way the interpromotional matches were actually booked, was that it seemed like all you really had to do was beg Vince and it was done, Kane and Taker should have been announced tonight. Berg vs Brock on Smackdown via Brock snapping and forcing Vince to book it or risk getting killed, and Jackie/Stacey vs Sable/Torrie... well that just shouldn't happen. As a whole though, it worked well to me.

02-23-2004, 11:33 PM	#7
KingofOldSchool ...IN HD!!!! Posts: 23,327	Shut the **** up CyNick your whiney "find a problem with everything in the WWE" philosophy is annoying.

02-23-2004, 11:40 PM	#10
Splaya 1-0 TPWW Chess Master Posts: 17,212	There could have been more buildup yes. But I think they wanted to get them all out of the way on one night, so for the next 3 weeks they can take everything to the absolute best level that they can.

02-23-2004, 11:48 PM	#12
Splaya 1-0 TPWW Chess Master Posts: 17,212	I can rant all night and trust me your wrong. Cause it's about one thing, the Raw/SD brand extension doesn't mean jackshit right now. The only thing that matters is Vince getting his buyrates. It's about the almighty dollar in the end. And the only way he is going to do that is by getting people to hear the big ass matches that there are going to be. Plus I guarantee at least 1 diva in that tag team evening gown- missed spot fest tag match goes nude. I guarantee it.

02-24-2004, 12:07 AM	#17
KingofOldSchool ...IN HD!!!! Posts: 23,327	The Diva match - No Lesnar/Goldberg - No The Rest - Yes

02-24-2004, 12:14 AM	#21
Splaya 1-0 TPWW Chess Master Posts: 17,212	Did you watch wrestling back in the day. I mean Sable did Sable bombs and Sablecanranna's all the time. I really doubt she could now but I'll pull a holy shit if she does.

02-24-2004, 01:03 AM	#22
Iceman90 Posts: 433	Yeah, I watched wrestling back in the day. Sable USED to be good. Now she is just another old lady.

02-24-2004, 09:10 AM	#23
Mikey Posts: 4,668	The only reason I want to see the Lesnar-Goldberg match is to laugh when they get Stunners

02-25-2004, 05:15 PM	#31
Bad Guy TPWW VET Posts: 10,837	the one week i dont watch raw it gets good. figures.

02-25-2004, 06:16 PM	#36
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	Cannon/Newstead: appreciate the love, you guys aint so bad yourselves. I actually wasn't trying to get support or anything (but like I said its appreciated), my main point was I dont see the point of anyone using personal attacks. I know thats going to happen all the time on a public message board, but I expect the people who have been here a long time, and actually know a thing or two about wrestling (so they dont 'need' to resort to name calling) to stick to talking about wrestling. You can disagree and think someone's points are dumb, but when we get the name calling stuff I think it wastes everyone's time.

02-25-2004, 06:43 PM	#37
Ol Dirty Dastard boop/bop/beep Posts: 38,453	Yeah, but whatever, KOS is being a dumbass so I figured it was best to shut him up. I was the man in this forum backin late 2001 up until the end of '02. The good ol' days , well there was some pretty crappy wrestling going on but still

02-25-2004, 09:11 PM	#39
ilt_undertaker Sexy Posts: 5,443	^ + rep