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Old 12-21-2007, 07:10 PM   #1
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You think any WWE wrestlers could make it in MMA?
I think lashley might under some training since he's got years of amature wrestling experience.

anyone else?



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Old 12-21-2007, 07:16 PM   #2
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Old 12-21-2007, 07:33 PM   #3
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Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas have solid wrestling backgrounds, so with training they might hold their own, as alot of guys with their backgrounds are flocking MMA.
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What do you mean, "make it?" I wouldn't particularly think of many people who could be a champion per se, but Folks like the aforementioned WGTT could easily make SOMETHING of themselves in MMA.
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What do you mean, "make it?" I wouldn't particularly think of many people who could be a champion per se, but Folks like the aforementioned WGTT could easily make SOMETHING of themselves in MMA.
by make it I mean be a regular "wrestler" wether they be as good as Rampage or as bad as Keith Jardine both of those still are quite regular in the events
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Steve Blackman probably could have.

And as long as Stiener can still use roids, he could kill someone.
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Kurt Angle could do it... WITH A BROKEN FREAKIN' NECK! And HGH.
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ONLY, I repeat, ONLY the guys with NCAA and above wrestling backgrounds could stand any chance of being average, hell, maybe they could be great, you never know. But that is it.

Kurt is too old and broke, and Steiner cannot fucking MOVE, let alone win a fight. He can barely FAKE fight. Steiner 10 years ago would rule be formidable. Before he exploded with roids.

Im not so sure on Blackman, what is his background again? Anything legit?
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ONLY, I repeat, ONLY the guys with NCAA and above wrestling backgrounds could stand any chance of being average, hell, maybe they could be great, you never know. But that is it.

Kurt is too old and broke, and Steiner cannot fucking MOVE, let alone win a fight. He can barely FAKE fight. Steiner 10 years ago would rule be formidable. Before he exploded with roids.

Im not so sure on Blackman, what is his background again? Anything legit?
Blackman has a background in killing people. I meant that Stiener could have if he didn't get into wrestling. He could move.
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ONLY, I repeat, ONLY the guys with NCAA and above wrestling backgrounds could stand any chance of being average, hell, maybe they could be great, you never know. But that is it.
You do know there are pro wrestlers with an actual background in martial arts, right? Boxing, too...Care to revise your bullshit statement?

Beyond that, I know that pro wrestling has this whole rep for being fake, but you will learn to kick the shit out of people from wrestling training. Would I put it up against a traditional martial art? No. But it could be a decent base for MMA in the right cases.
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Old 12-21-2007, 10:20 PM   #12
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You do know there are pro wrestlers with an actual background in martial arts, right? Boxing, too...Care to revise your bullshit statement?

Beyond that, I know that pro wrestling has this whole rep for being fake, but you will learn to kick the shit out of people from wrestling training. Would I put it up against a traditional martial art? No. But it could be a decent base for MMA in the right cases.
I dont think there are any WWE guys with Martial art backgrounds right now, so, given the roster as it is, I don't see the "bullshit". Ill stick with it.

As for the Wrestling Base.....Maybe, I wont say no, because I dont know. But learning to bump and learning a few moves is different than a fight/match. You can teach anyone moves, but it takes experience and alot of natural instinct. Some people are naturally good fighters. Some people are just awkward.

Case in point, Maria. She can train all she wants, and they can teach her moves, but she always just looks awkward, like she doesn't belong in a ring. Not the best example for a MMA thread, but you get the idea.
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I dont think there are any WWE guys with Martial art backgrounds right now, so, given the roster as it is, I don't see the "bullshit". Ill stick with it.

As for the Wrestling Base.....Maybe, I wont say no, because I dont know. But learning to bump and learning a few moves is different than a fight/match. You can teach anyone moves, but it takes experience and alot of natural instinct. Some people are naturally good fighters. Some people are just awkward.

Case in point, Maria. She can train all she wants, and they can teach her moves, but she always just looks awkward, like she doesn't belong in a ring. Not the best example for a MMA thread, but you get the idea.
I believe Mr. Kennedy is a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and Escrima. Santino Marella used to practice Judo competitively at Shin Bu Kan and was actually an MMA fighter in Japan before signing with World Wrestling Entertainment.

That is two off the top of my head.

Nunzio and Funaki are both shoot wrestlers, which means they could probably handle themselves in a fight. As KK said, I would not want to get into a fight with someone trained in the Hart Family Dungeon. William Regal has also been kicking ass since about the age of 15. He might not be trained in any official martial art, but the instict is there.
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Old 12-21-2007, 11:36 PM   #14
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I believe Mr. Kennedy is a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and Escrima. Santino Marella used to practice Judo competitively at Shin Bu Kan and was actually an MMA fighter in Japan before signing with World Wrestling Entertainment.

That is two off the top of my head.

Nunzio and Funaki are both shoot wrestlers, which means they could probably handle themselves in a fight. As KK said, I would not want to get into a fight with someone trained in the Hart Family Dungeon. William Regal has also been kicking ass since about the age of 15. He might not be trained in any official martial art, but the instict is there.
As someone who has taken Tae Kwon Do, I'm going to say this...it's not a real sense defense martial art. I feel it's one of the weaker martial arts, and is really good only for exersice or flashy hollywood fight scenes. Otherwise I think any other form of combat could probably destroy someone with Tae Kwon Do.
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The Kid at Virginia Tech has a background in killing people, but would get fucked up in MMA.
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Also, most of the shit heads that get into mma are just that shit heads that just fight because they wasted the free education. Plus, that killer instinct and knock out punch is all you really need.
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What makes MMA fighters so much better than boxers or pro wrestlers in their fighting ability?

I know they have training in various martial arts and wrestling, but I would imagine that practically every wrestler in the WWE has the size and ability to train to become an MMA star. I'm just trying to understand why MMA fighters are being put on such a higher platform than these other guys.
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What makes MMA fighters so much better than boxers or pro wrestlers in their fighting ability?

I know they have training in various martial arts and wrestling, but I would imagine that practically every wrestler in the WWE has the size and ability to train to become an MMA star. I'm just trying to understand why MMA fighters are being put on such a higher platform than these other guys.
Same reason people think ninja are unbeatable. Cause of hyped up bullshit.
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Same reason people think ninja are unbeatable. Cause of hyped up bullshit.
Not completely. I mean, someone who is versed in multiple martial arts will do better than someone versed in only one. Boxing, Aikido, Kung Fu, all play to different strengths. By learning to adapt to different techniques, you can be versatile. Of course, what it ends up with in MMA is a ton of guys who fight in a similar style with minimal differences.

Granted, it's mostly hype, but this shit has a strong philisophical base.
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Not completely. I mean, someone who is versed in multiple martial arts will do better than someone versed in only one. Boxing, Aikido, Kung Fu, all play to different strengths. By learning to adapt to different techniques, you can be versatile. Of course, what it ends up with in MMA is a ton of guys who fight in a similar style with minimal differences.

Granted, it's mostly hype, but this shit has a strong philisophical base.
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Old 12-21-2007, 11:11 PM   #24
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Same reason people think ninja are unbeatable. Cause of hyped up bullshit.
Hey, hey, hey, I partially agree with you, but ninjas are unbeatable. Unless you have a gun and they are cornered and can't use their mystic powers for whatever reason.
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Old 12-21-2007, 10:36 PM   #25
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Maria's T&A. try picking someone who's not, you know, a Diva, at least.

Sensei actually made the point that very little separated legitimate pro wrestling training from a legit martial art. The primary differences deal in philosophy. He loved to use Hulk Hogan as an example, though he's probably a pretty poor one. Though it was interesting picturing Hogan as Uke. but yeah, philosophy. This is why Jericho could beat up Goldberg. I wouldn't want to fuck with someone who came out of Stu Hart's Dungeon or Japan, "fake" wrestlers or not, if I didn't have to.

This opinion may vary, but I tend to respect Sensei's opinion. He's an afficianado of MMA and wrestling (which makes the Hulk Hogan comments amusing, but...), so I don't think he's just talking out his arse.

And while Maria might not ever be a threat, that doesn't mean someone like Victoria or Trish couldn't fight. Would they? Doubt it, but could they? Well, they're there for more than TNA.

Of course, a lot of the guys today are broken down hasbeens. Even some of the "younger" stars, like Batista (Who collects his Social Security in two years). That does cramp things. I'm betting with a bit of training, your average young pro wrestler could become your average MMAer, as long as we're not talking about them actually being top tier guys. That's another story.
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CM Punk and RVD could probably do well for themselves.
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CM Punk and RVD could probably do well for themselves.
Punk being an instance of a Jiujitsu practitioner in WWE.

I prefer Ju jutsu over BJJ, but it's a solid art.
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CM Punk and RVD could probably do well for themselves.
CM Punk got his arse handed to him by Teddy Hart. He'd be booking his own funeral if he fought a trained fighter.
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Old 12-21-2007, 11:09 PM   #29
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One of the first MMA practitioners was Antonio Inoki...

I'd be remiss to forget Dan Severn, who was a wrestler BEFORE getting big in MMA.

As far as WWE wrestlers. If they were younger, I'd say Regal and Finlay could BOTH fuck up some people.
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One of the first MMA practitioners was Antonio Inoki...

I'd be remiss to forget Dan Severn, who was a wrestler BEFORE getting big in MMA.

As far as WWE wrestlers. If they were younger, I'd say Regal and Finlay could BOTH fuck up some people.
Wasn't Dan Severn some MMA guy before he showed up in WWF? They were all like "He's so dangerous!!!" and put over his armbar finisher as the most devastating thing ever.
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He was NWA Wrestler before debuting at UFC 4, IIRC. One of the main reasons UFC went from the BJJ era to the Wrestling era (with him, Frye, Coleman, and Couture)
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Al Snow and RVD are legit tough guys with martial arts backgrounds. I bet they could do alright for themselves.
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The more I think about it, the more I think RVD would do well. The guy is really flexible, which might help him (a little) in submissions and shit, and he could literally flip around and kick a guy's head off, I bet. The guy is also deceptively strong. Teach the guy some submissions, and I think he'd be there.

Also, if Vince wanted to embarrass MMA, he should get someone like Nunzio or Funaki, as I previously mentioned, to train for it and kick some ass (assuming it is possible for them to do so).
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Kennedy's Escrima is probably all that matters. Tae Kwon Do isn't very practical.

EDIT: looked shit up, escrima focuses on weapons, guess he's fucked.
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Kennedy's Escrima is probably all that matters. Tae Kwon Do isn't very practical.

EDIT: looked shit up, escrima focuses on weapons, guess he's fucked.
The guy was in the military. Not sure what they teach you, exactly, but I'm sure there are some practical forms of self-defense they hammer into you. Kennedy's also a fairly decent wrestler, which he could apply.

Not saying he would do well, just saying that he wouldn't exactly be a deer caught in the headlights.
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The guy was in the military. Not sure what they teach you, exactly, but I'm sure there are some practical forms of self-defense they hammer into you. Kennedy's also a fairly decent wrestler, which he could apply.

Not saying he would do well, just saying that he wouldn't exactly be a deer caught in the headlights.
Well yeah, but I don't see him lasting too long against the best.
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Was gonna point this out as well. Wasn't Elijah Burke a pretty legit boxer?
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