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Old 05-09-2008, 11:46 PM   #1
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Best description of Soma Joe ever...
From this page referring to terrible video game box art: http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager....=2&cId=3167717



"Fat guy who looks like he just kind of randomly wandered into the shot on his way from the sauna"

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Old 05-09-2008, 11:58 PM   #2
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Funny thing is, Joe would kick your ass.
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Noid, you just don't get it do you?
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I really don't. I mean, the "Soma Joe" name is crappy, the man is a good wrestler, with interesting ring presence that captures the imaginations of quite a lot of the people who watch him.

I really don't understand the hate. Is it because so many within the IWC like him?
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Old 05-10-2008, 02:49 PM   #5
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I really don't. I mean, the "Soma Joe" name is crappy, the man is a good wrestler, with interesting ring presence that captures the imaginations of quite a lot of the people who watch him.

I really don't understand the hate. Is it because so many within the IWC like him?
The name is referring to the fact that Samoa Joe is boring as fuck. He is mediocre at best. His promos are hilarious because they are more forced than the dick in Nick Hogan's ass right now. Yeah, he is agile for a fatass but you could say the same thing about Big Daddy V. I can't look at Samoa Joe as the face of wrestling or of a promotion. He is an indy darling. You people love him because he was in ROH with a bunch of other great wrestlers. 2 great wrestlers work in the indys, but if you want to be on the same level as WWE, you need 2 great workers. He has worked with great workers throughout TNA and still is only getting hype because TNA has no other young guy that hasn't been buried by WWE castoffs.
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The name is referring to the fact that Samoa Joe is boring as fuck. He is mediocre at best. His promos are hilarious because they are more forced than the dick in Nick Hogan's ass right now. Yeah, he is agile for a fatass but you could say the same thing about Big Daddy V. I can't look at Samoa Joe as the face of wrestling or of a promotion. He is an indy darling. You people love him because he was in ROH with a bunch of other great wrestlers. 2 great wrestlers work in the indys, but if you want to be on the same level as WWE, you need 2 great workers. He has worked with great workers throughout TNA and still is only getting hype because TNA has no other young guy that hasn't been buried by WWE castoffs.
The whole "He's agile for a big guy" is bullshit, anyway. I'd especially think that smarks would know better, since in theory they've seen something other than WWE, where big guys and fat guys are almost always lumbering and slow. It's an artificial distinction made up to "balance" things out.
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The whole "He's agile for a big guy" is bullshit, anyway. I'd especially think that smarks would know better, since in theory they've seen something other than WWE, where big guys and fat guys are almost always lumbering and slow. It's an artificial distinction made up to "balance" things out.
Shadow, is that you? Are you saying that every fat guy can do what Joe does, and that the entire industry plays along with it?

Of course a large man Samoa Joe's side can do what Joe does. Fuck, Joe does it. He's a human being. Anyone could technically put on a match with perfect psychology, too. People have limits, though. Joe has worked his ass off to craft a style that takes a lot out of people.

KOoS' post about the WWE only signing CM Punk on recommendation: Didn't Joe turn down a WWE contract?

JamesSteele's point about the name: I know what the name means, I just think it is really forced and awkward for a pun. It's your right to not like him, but Joe's promos work. They're not overly flashy, but they aren't that forced. Especially when held up against Randy Orton's, or even John Cena's. Joe's not a natural on the mic, he's a wrestler first, talker second, but he's nowhere near bad.
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Shadow, is that you? Are you saying that every fat guy can do what Joe does, and that the entire industry plays along with it?

Are you trying to put words in my mouth so that you can make another diatribe based on a lie?

Man oh man...I mean, for all your snipes at me being a journliast, it'd be nice if you actually had your facts straight before calling my kettle black. That would be rather difficult though.

I've explained myself to you before, Noid. On this very issue of "Big Men." That you continue to assert things contrary to what I've stated on the matter really does lead me to believe you're lying, intentionally, to make up an argument. Like the CM Punk deal, like your faux complaints to attack my journalism, like your entire "gimmick" which boils down to "I'm too stupid to understand you, so I'll make up an argument I can easily defeat with my half-assed reasoning."

You're like Fox news: Yelling at the real journalists and spinning bullshit all the while.
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Old 05-12-2008, 11:32 PM   #9
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JamesSteele's point about the name: I know what the name means, I just think it is really forced and awkward for a pun. It's your right to not like him, but Joe's promos work. They're not overly flashy, but they aren't that forced. Especially when held up against Randy Orton's, or even John Cena's. Joe's not a natural on the mic, he's a wrestler first, talker second, but he's nowhere near bad.
His promo's aren't flashy because he talks like he is on a fucking episode of Law & Order. Fact is, Joe isn't that great of a worker. Goldberg looked like a hell of a worker because he was stiff, didn't have to sell much, and had people thinking he was killing people. The fact is that Joe got almost as good of a push as Goldberg got in WCW and Joe has flopped as champion when TNA had bigger names than Jeff Jarrett. Joe is an indy darling because he helped put ROH on the map, but that hardly makes him one of the best in the world. CM Punk got a good gig in WWE and is doing something with it (outpopping Jesus and everything). Joe has gotten the ubderpush of being the face of a promotion and he hasn't done anything with it. JOE IS GONNA KILL YOU...if you take his burger. JOE IS GONNA KILL YOU...if you put the future of your promotion on his back. JOE IS GONNA KILL YOU...because he just can't be the guy everybody thinks he is.
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The name is referring to the fact that Samoa Joe is boring as fuck. He is mediocre at best. His promos are hilarious because they are more forced than the dick in Nick Hogan's ass right now. Yeah, he is agile for a fatass but you could say the same thing about Big Daddy V. I can't look at Samoa Joe as the face of wrestling or of a promotion. He is an indy darling. You people love him because he was in ROH with a bunch of other great wrestlers. 2 great wrestlers work in the indys, but if you want to be on the same level as WWE, you need 2 great workers. He has worked with great workers throughout TNA and still is only getting hype because TNA has no other young guy that hasn't been buried by WWE castoffs.
Yeah.

There is a reason why, when Mick Foley recommended both CM Punk and Soma Joe to WWE, they only signed Punk.
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If I have to explain it, it won't be funny noid.
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I really don't see a joke in there, anyway.
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Of course, the thread starter is Xero, so that's to be expected.
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You know, I don't see anywhere in my post detracting his in-ring work.

Or even hate for him, really.
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Noid, you just don't get it do you?
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I really don't.
God, this one needs to be saved for posterity.

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You know, I don't see anywhere in my post detracting his in-ring work.

Or even hate for him, really.

Noid Rage.
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Would it have been better if I made a 20 paragraph post explaining how he should be used in TNA and eventually turn it around to have him job to or team with a bunch of jobbers?

Sharkboy and Samoa Joe, next big thing!
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See though, Noid didn't get the connection that that's what he looks like there.

Now he's going to reply and say he did, but didn't find it funny, when he didn't realize it until now.

And NOW he's going to respond and say I'm "not funny" and go on a 3-5 paragraph post explain exactly WHY I'm not funny and explain how he "knows comedy" because he's a "stand up comedian".

Maybe he'll throw in that I'm just "playing a gimmick" that goes against anything in the IWC or entertainment in general and not understand that other people like other things and that if HE and a hundred other people say, for example, Santino is a "subtle comedic genius", that it's the God-given truth and the majority.

Maybe he'll explain how if the general population likes things it's called "popular" and that I'm not "in the majority".

Of course he'll have to throw in how I'm just an asshole who "has to get it my way" and try to turn every point I said here against me, whether he actually believes it or not.

Now he'll just post exactly what I wrote here except change the wording to sound like he didn't.

Or he'll just post something to the effect of "you're pretty much spot-on".

Perhapse he'll even point out my grannatical erors.
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See though, Noid didn't get the connection that that's what he looks like there.

Now he's going to reply and say he did, but didn't find it funny, when he didn't realize it until now.

And NOW he's going to respond and say I'm "not funny" and go on a 3-5 paragraph post explain exactly WHY I'm not funny and explain how he "knows comedy" because he's a "stand up comedian".

Maybe he'll throw in that I'm just "playing a gimmick" that goes against anything in the IWC or entertainment in general and not understand that other people like other things and that if HE and a hundred other people say, for example, Santino is a "subtle comedic genius", that it's the God-given truth and the majority.

Maybe he'll explain how if the general population likes things it's called "popular" and that I'm not "in the majority".

Of course he'll have to throw in how I'm just an asshole who "has to get it my way" and try to turn every point I said here against me, whether he actually believes it or not.

Now he'll just post exactly what I wrote here except change the wording to sound like he didn't.

Or he'll just post something to the effect of "you're pretty much spot-on".

Perhapse he'll even point out my grannatical erors.
LOL.

That has to be the most perfect breakdown of Noid I've ever seen.
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LOL.

That has to be the most perfect breakdown of Noid I've ever seen.
Considering it throws quotes at me I've never actually used, I'd say it's pretty piss-poor and inaccurate, actually. Wait, you're a journalist. That explains it.
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Considering it throws quotes at me I've never actually used, I'd say it's pretty piss-poor and inaccurate, actually. Wait, you're a journalist. That explains it.
Don't lie, 'Noid. It's unbecoming, and anyone who's read the shit you spew knows better....
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See though, Noid didn't get the connection that that's what he looks like there.
He has a towel around his neck.

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Now he's going to reply and say he did, but didn't find it funny, when he didn't realize it until now.
No, I'm going to repost that he doesn't, and that this is just a thread to take digs at Joe. For whatever reason, I don't understand.

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And NOW he's going to respond and say I'm "not funny" and go on a 3-5 paragraph post explain exactly WHY I'm not funny and explain how he "knows comedy" because he's a "stand up comedian".
No, just one paragraph explaining it:

I "know comedy" because I am naturally a very funny person. Believe it or not, I'm very different on TPWW than I am in real life. You don't know otherwise, and you won't be able to convince me otherwise. With some things if people don't know, you can't tell 'em. I am fairly certain (of course, I cannot be) that you don't know. You might be hilarious in real life, but you strike me as a bomber.

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Maybe he'll throw in that I'm just "playing a gimmick" that goes against anything in the IWC or entertainment in general and not understand that other people like other things and that if HE and a hundred other people say, for example, Santino is a "subtle comedic genius", that it's the God-given truth and the majority.
Nah, I don't really play the gimmick card. I make fun of KK for his "gimmick," but that's about it. Also, if you couldn't tell that "comedic genius" was hyperbole with Santino...well, if some people don't know, you can't tell 'em. That quote is probably going to pop up again. You just don't give the man enough credit. You overlook why the man is actually funny, and just make shitty generalisations.

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Maybe he'll explain how if the general population likes things it's called "popular" and that I'm not "in the majority".
Huh? I'm not even going to attempt to see how that helps your case. Why are you bringing simple facts about the situation into this?

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Of course he'll have to throw in how I'm just an asshole who "has to get it my way" and try to turn every point I said here against me, whether he actually believes it or not.
I'm not going to call you an asshole. You already try purposely enough to be one to know that you come off that way. It's perfectly intended on your part. Also, why put "has to get it my way" in quotation marks? For one, I don't think I've ever used that phrase in my life, and secondly, putting hypothetical statements in quotation marks just gives people an indicator of what to avoid to make you look like an idiot. Ah well, if some people don't know, you can't tell 'em.

And yes, I will argue with you for the sake of it. Why the hell not? You found the need to make this thread for the sake of it? There's hardly any point to it at all, actually.

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Now he'll just post exactly what I wrote here except change the wording to sound like he didn't.
Starting from now? That would disqualify anything that came before. You're selling yourself short with your word choices. And no, I'm flat-out disagreeing with you. Ah well...if some people don't know...

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Or he'll just post something to the effect of "you're pretty much spot-on".
"Hmm, nah."

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Perhapse he'll even point out my grannatical erors.
LOL! Xero made grammatical errors on purpose in a sentence talking about grammatical errors. That's something I have never seen someone do before. Isn't he funny? At least sarcasm updates itself via context.
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Old 05-10-2008, 01:08 AM   #23
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Honestly Kurt Angle looks way more ridiculous than Soma Joe on that cover...Look at his face! He looks like an angry kid with Down Syndrome.

And Sting looks like he's yawning...Leave it to TNA to make the worst video game cover ever.
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Old 05-10-2008, 01:23 AM   #24
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And Sting looks like he's yawning...Leave it to TNA to make the worst video game cover ever.
I thought he was about to sneeze.
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Old 05-10-2008, 11:30 AM   #25
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Honestly Kurt Angle looks way more ridiculous than Soma Joe on that cover...Look at his face! He looks like an angry kid with Down Syndrome.

And Sting looks like he's yawning...Leave it to TNA to make the worst video game cover ever.
Actually he looks like a guy who was told to say cheese and wasn't expecting to and now he wants to fight.
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Old 05-12-2008, 03:37 AM   #26
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Honestly Kurt Angle looks way more ridiculous than Soma Joe on that cover...Look at his face! He looks like an angry kid with Down Syndrome.

And Sting looks like he's yawning...Leave it to TNA to make the worst video game cover ever.
Do the wrestling companies design the covers for the games?
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Old 05-10-2008, 01:47 AM   #27
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Old 05-10-2008, 01:49 AM   #28
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And what the hell is going on in the background? AJ Styles elbow dropping a standing Booker T?
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Old 05-10-2008, 04:31 AM   #30
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I mean, you can't really argue that he DOESN'T look like a random fat guy who wandered out of the sauna into the ring.

Doesn't take anything away from him. Like some said, it may even make him that much more awesome.
Preference really, but you gotta recognize that descrip as fact
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:02 AM   #31
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I think Kurt actually shit himself just before the photo was taken. Stings just yelling out about it, and Joe just looks pissed off that it splattered on him.
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Old 05-10-2008, 09:14 AM   #32
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This alone will make the game not cool.
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Old 05-10-2008, 12:40 PM   #37
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I'm not a big fan of anything TNA does, really. Hardcore respect for most of their roster, but it's not booked to look like money. If WWE can push Randy "Resthold" Orton with his botched Diamond Cutter to main event status then it's possible for TNA to look good.... they just need to figure out how to do it.
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Old 05-10-2008, 12:59 PM   #38
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I'm not a big fan of anything TNA does, really. Hardcore respect for most of their roster, but it's not booked to look like money. If WWE can push Randy "Resthold" Orton with his botched Diamond Cutter to main event status then it's possible for TNA to look good.... they just need to figure out how to do it.
That's kind of unfair. Orton was made into a main eventer following association with some of the biggest names in wrestling--Past and present. That kind of rub works no matter how much you suck. Not to mention, Orton would be pushed no matter what because of his pedigree.

Flip over to TNA, and they can't do that. They've got some legit stars they could use, but they're few and far between compared to the WWE castoffs. Part of the way you get guys over in pro wrestling (At least the mainstream stuff) is by having them work with guys who are already established. No matter how good you are, it's hard to become a household name otherwise. Not to mention the fact that every time I tune in to TNA, someone's speaking that really shouldn't. They need to focus on mic skills a lot more or something. Workrate's great when you're trying to pack gymansiums and shit, but if you've got a TV deal, you might want to try something a little extra.
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Old 05-10-2008, 03:06 PM   #39
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That's kind of unfair. Orton was made into a main eventer following association with some of the biggest names in wrestling--Past and present. That kind of rub works no matter how much you suck. Not to mention, Orton would be pushed no matter what because of his pedigree.

Flip over to TNA, and they can't do that. They've got some legit stars they could use, but they're few and far between compared to the WWE castoffs. Part of the way you get guys over in pro wrestling (At least the mainstream stuff) is by having them work with guys who are already established. No matter how good you are, it's hard to become a household name otherwise. Not to mention the fact that every time I tune in to TNA, someone's speaking that really shouldn't. They need to focus on mic skills a lot more or something. Workrate's great when you're trying to pack gymansiums and shit, but if you've got a TV deal, you might want to try something a little extra.
Part of the Orton mention is that he got pushed with Evolution, then dropped for two years, then resurrected with nothing but boring showings since then. His original run seems so long ago at this point people were talking about how he would never be salvaged from his lingering de-push.
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Old 05-10-2008, 11:42 PM   #40
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That's kind of unfair.
I'm going to quote something my boss said to a customer who believed he was getting ripped off because he was black.
"Life isn't fair, get over it."

I'm not telling you to get over it, but life isn't fair. You're right. Orton got a huge rub from an icon, a legend in the making, and a hairless ape. After that you can't just put the Euro title on him and make him feud with Shannon Moore over spilt milk. Orton was headed places the moment he walked to the ring with Triple H and Ric Flair.
Being the son of a wrestler helped him get his foot in the door to be the youngest world champion in WWE history. Orton not making waves in the industry is like Bill Gate's son working at 7-11. No chance in hell.
Orton was given so much, worked for very little, and should get all the credit along with all the shit he has earned.
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