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Old 04-20-2009, 08:39 PM   #1
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What was a bigger mess: TNA in general or WCW 99-01
Hard to pick that's for sure.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:01 PM   #2
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WCW for sure....see they had little or no direction at the time. At least TNA has a direction, whether people agree with it or not. Honestly I still can't figure out why everyone seems to think TNA is a mess...
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:07 PM   #3
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Because they are trying to be different and yet are only pushing ex wwe guys and not creating any stars
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:17 PM   #4
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WCW for sure. They would start story lines and drop them suddenly with no explanation whatsoever. And I don't mean one or two midcard stories. all the time. Midcard, main event, undercard. WCW was a fucking disaster towards the end.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:37 PM   #5
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I'd say both are/were an equal mess.

WCW suffered from the fact that they didn't push new stars...similar to what the WWE are going through now.

TNA suffers from the fact that they offer no unique value proposition. There is almost nothing unique/interesting about TNA other than the fact that they have a six-sided ring. Instead of pushing newer talents and wrestlers, TNA keeps pushing guys that are WWE rejects.

TNA should look at how Paul Heyman ran ECW for a good example of how a small company, with a small budget, can bring something unique to the table. Yes - Paul Heyman made many mistakes, the being unique and offering the fans something different, was not one of them.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:40 PM   #6
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Paul Heymans mistakes were all about book keeping, not booking. Financially he fucked up, as far as wrestling went, he had the formula.
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Paul Heymans mistakes were all about book keeping, not booking. Financially he fucked up, as far as wrestling went, he had the formula.
Although you are a moron for the most part, you are 100% correct in this case.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:45 PM   #8
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TNA for sure. They start story lines and drop them suddenly with no explanation whatsoever. And I don't mean one or two midcard stories. All the time. Midcard, main event, undercard. TNA is a fucking disaster.
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Old 04-21-2009, 10:38 AM   #10
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Gertner......the fact that they are pushing the so called ex WWE guys does not necessarily constitute a mess. It's just what they are doing, and judging by the ratings as of late, perhaps it was right. I'm sure that pisses you guys off...haha.
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Old 04-21-2009, 11:58 AM   #11
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I don't really get why people so begrudge guys like Booker T and Mick Foley and the Dudleys having well placed jobs in wrestling. They have given years and years to the game and been mega successful in doing so. They are tail-end of their careers, sure. But don't deserve to be jobbed out or jobless. Nash and Steiner are not entirely the same thing, but Nash wrestles alot less and is more of a bodyguard figure, and Steiner the same really.

Jarrett is still a very decent worker in my opinion, and although the TNA booking that keeps an interviewer by his side for reaction at all time is possibly the worst aspect of the show, in sporadic matches, I don't see why he shouldn't work.

As for Sting, well, Mania very nearly featured Hulk Hogan in a high profile match, and I know who I'd rather watch.

You guys pretend like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, Ric flair weren't all midcarders for at least 5 years before any big breakthrough.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:07 PM   #12
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What about Eddie Gurrereo, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit? There is a common trend in wrestling, that the guys who build through the ranks slowly become the best workers. Michaels for instance, debuted in Texas in 82 or something like that. He didn't get a mainstream singles push until 92, Jericho, 10 years before a big push. Benoit, 10 years before a big push. Edge, at least 8 years before his decent singles push.

Who in TNA has waited as long as these guys?
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How people can diss TNA after they just had Lashley point at the ring mere days ago is beyond me.
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I'd say WCW because they were losing a lot of money and were a mess backstage. Not to mention they could never really get the ratings they got from 96-98.

TNA has a lot of problems to fix, but even with all of their ridiculous booking they've managed to grow and even recently turn a profit. They still don't draw big numbers in ratings, but they've slowly started to increase.

WCW rapidly declined while TNA is ever so slowly growing.

I do agree that TNA are following some of WCW's mistakes, but at least they have pushed a couple former WWE guys who weren't already main eventers like Christian, Matt Morgan (even though I think he's boring), and Kaz. TNA needs to use the ex WWE stars to put over and make TNA stars. I don't know why they've fucked around with Daniels for so long.
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The ex WWF guys should have too step it up a notch and they have to make the X Division and World Title Different... One with a Kurt Angle/Jeff Jarett traditional rules type and than the AJ Styles/Daniels/Joe style X-Division with Christian and Booker T trying to work that style (since they were healed back move set wise for so long)... RVD could bring credibility to the X Title just like the TV title in ECW.

These "rejects" from the WWF aren't all old and could fit in the X-Division, but it seems to have disappeared and turned into the old WCW Cruiser weight title Division(on smackdown)
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Old 04-22-2009, 07:53 PM   #18
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I'd say both are/were an equal mess.

WCW suffered from the fact that they didn't push new stars...similar to what the WWE are going through now.

TNA suffers from the fact that they offer no unique value proposition. There is almost nothing unique/interesting about TNA other than the fact that they have a six-sided ring. Instead of pushing newer talents and wrestlers, TNA keeps pushing guys that are WWE rejects.

TNA should look at how Paul Heyman ran ECW for a good example of how a small company, with a small budget, can bring something unique to the table. Yes - Paul Heyman made many mistakes, the being unique and offering the fans something different, was not one of them.

Just so you know, TNA also isn't pushing any new stars. It's almost all ex WWE guys.
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Old 04-22-2009, 09:19 PM   #19
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Just so you know, TNA also isn't pushing any new stars. It's almost all ex WWE guys.
You mean aside from the following which happened in the past year...

Samoa Joe over Kurt Angle (Lockdown 08)
LAX over Team 3D (Sacrafice 08)
Samoa Joe over Scott Steiner (Sacrafice 08)
LAX over Team 3D (Slammiversary 08)
AJ Styles over Kurt Angel (Slammiversary 08)
Samoa Joe over Booker T, Christian Cage, & Rhiino (Slammiversary 08)
AJ Styles over Kurt Angel (Hard Justice 08)
Samoa Joe over Booker T (Hard Justice 08)
Abyss & Matt Morgan over Team 3D (No Surrender 08)
Samoa Joe over Kurt Angle & Christian Cage (No Surrender 08)
Beer Money Inc. over Team 3D (among others) (Bound for Glory IV)
AJ Styles over Booker T (Destination X 09)
Styles, Daniels, Joe, & Jarrett over MEM (Lockdown 09)

Now I'm not saying that TNA is perfrect but to say that TNA isn't putting over there young guys is just wrong. They're establishing Joe and AJ right now to make them on the level of the MEM which I'd say they are now. As of now I think Joe, AJ, and Abyss are already on the level of MEM which is pretty good and they look to be poised to do the same for Christopher Daniels.

Not to mention that they are pushing Beer Money over huge as of lat despite their loss to Team 3D at Lockdown. And they're establishing Matt Morgan slowly. And they seem to be high on Hernandez and Homicide and are poside to give them singles pushes eventually.
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