Bryan Danielson Released

[DrCrawford]

people spit all the time.

i dont think danielson knew, because remember when slater was going to choke cena with the ropes, someone yelled NO

for him to get fired over this, if thats what it was, is pretty stupid.

but if it is a work, its pretty stupid for them to post also. why was his name singled out, and not the rest of the rookies. makes no sense.

i hope its not true

[CSL]

Vince, on the other hand....

...is not completely retarded.

[Xero]

....He released Danielson...

[LuigiD]

fucking lame.
If the rumors are true and he was released due to the PG crap..come the fuck on. He is one of the most talented agents out there right now. Not even a second fucking chance? ridiculous.

[Providence Peep]

i dont think danielson knew, because remember when slater was going to choke cena with the ropes, someone yelled NO

You would think Danielson and anyone else hired to work for WWE would be informed of any and all rules first.

Also, if the spitting wasn't an issue, it wouldn't be edited out of the replays.

[CSL]

....He released Danielson...

Oh shit yeah, better close down WWE right now.

[Providence Peep]

fucking lame.
If the rumors are true and he was released due to the PG crap..come the fuck on. He is one of the most talented agents out there right now. Not even a second fucking chance? ridiculous.

they'll bring him back when this blows over

[Xero]

How about RAW last Monday. That was a great show.

Vince isn't completely retarded and knows what he's doing, but A LOT of things he does you have to look at and wonder "what the fuck?"

Stopping a match for a trickle of blood while allowing legitimate injuries to continue? Come on...

Don't think I need to continue, really.

[Providence Peep]

All we can guess is that WWE didn't know Danielson was going to do it.

They didn't know Danielson would do it, Danielson didn't know he couldn't, and yet they fired him anyway?! That doesn't seem fair.

[addy2hotty]

Also, if the spitting wasn't an issue, it wouldn't be edited out of the replays.

Exactly, which is my point. If it's edited out, then it must be a rule. People may 'spit all the time', but I can't recall the last time it happened like that on Raw.

Perhaps I have a lower opinion of spitting on someone else, but I've always kinda felt that something like that would be spoken about beforehand, to which point - Cena says 'no'.

Which means if he didn't, and it is an issue, Cena wasn't aware of the rules either.

[Providence Peep]

Exactly, which is my point. If it's edited out, then it must be a rule. People may 'spit all the time', but I can't recall the last time it happened like that on Raw.

Perhaps I have a lower opinion of spitting on someone else, but I've always kinda felt that something like that would be spoken about beforehand, to which point - Cena says 'no'.

Which means if he didn't, and it is an issue, Cena wasn't aware of the rules either.

The spitting probably IS a rule, just like with the blood. People are saying the spitting happens all the time - but does it really? Think about it. Name the last time you saw any WWE wrestler spit at another one.

[CSL]

They didn't know Danielson would do it, Danielson didn't know he couldn't, and yet they fired him anyway?! That doesn't seem fair.

Which is probably why there are lots of rumblings about him being brought back when it dies down, they know it's a bit of a daft/unique situation but are doing what they feel they have to do right now.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I wonder if WWE promised him that he'd be back and get a push when they broke him the news.

It'd be pretty funny if he went back to ROH really. His last show there, he promised he'd kick Cena's head in. Well, if that's his last memory in a WWE ring, then it was mission accomplished.

Zomg maybe this is the start of a WWE/ROH talent exchange!!!1!!!</font> :shifty:

[CSL]

This is probably Dixie Carter's 'big news', "Hey TNA fans! We might be able to sign a guy that worked for WWE for 5 minutes in about 90 days!"

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Truth be told, if it is a work, I wouldn't be at all surprised if WWE let him work an ROH show to sell it. They're not competition, not even close. And they've loaned talent out before; I could see them doing it again.

[addy2hotty]

http://www.worldwrestlinginsanity.com/am2/uploads/1/cole.jpg

Cole - WWE Universe, Daniel Bryan went so far last week that due to him, Justin Robert's hair has fallen out and he's turned into a fat, obnoxious color commentator who is sitting beside me.

We wish Jerry Lawler's crazy t-shirts well in their future endeavors.

[Evil Vito]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/

<font color=goldenrod>Hasn't shown up here yet, oddly. Might just be a matter of time, but all the other releases show up here.</font>

[CSL]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/

<font color=goldenrod>Hasn't shown up here yet, oddly. Might just be a matter of time, but all the other releases show up here.</font>

Yeah, it's not in the corporate releases section either, which has all guys released in 2010 so far listed, which could add to more conspiracy/work theories.

[BillyBonez]

I dont understand how u guys can think its real. Its so obvious part of a storyline to screw with the internet fans because they know internet fans jack off all over Bryan Danielson.

Remember Matt Hardy being "fired" during the Edge angle?

Yeah...now u should be sure that this is a fake firing.

[addy2hotty]

Shut up BillyBonez.

[Ultra Mantis]

The spitting probably IS a rule, just like with the blood. People are saying the spitting happens all the time - but does it really? Think about it. Name the last time you saw any WWE wrestler spit at another one.

Carlito spat in peoples faces all the time.

[Jordan]

I have not been this shocked about wrestling since WWE bought WCW, or Owen's accident. If this is a work, then congrats WWE because you really pulled one over one me. If this is real, wow. I just don't even know what to say.

[BillyBonez]

Shut up BillyBonez.

Hahaha dont be jellous that I didnt get tricked by this angle like yo did!

[Providence Peep]

Carlito spat in peoples faces all the time.

And where is he now? :shifty:
JK!

His spitting was part of his gimmick. Not quite the same thing.

[Evil Vito]

Yeah, it's not in the corporate releases section either, which has all guys released in 2010 so far listed, which could add to more conspiracy/work theories.

<font color=goldenrod>Where is that page? I can find the WWE Corporate page, but the news releases page only mentions Carlito (who was let go because of Wellness, so it'd make sense to be there while the other releases aren't)</font>

[addy2hotty]

Carlito spat in peoples faces all the time.

I can recall him doing it once in the last several years and that was on Slater on NXT. Certainly can't recall him doing it since it went PG and he went all phone-it-in.

[Ultra Mantis]

And where is he now? :shifty:
JK!

His spitting was part of his gimmick. Not quite the same thing.

If they have a guy whos gimmick is spitting in people's faces, why would spitting be a sackable offense?

[Ultra Mantis]

I can recall him doing it once in the last several years and that was on Slater on NXT. Certainly can't recall him doing it since it went PG and he went all phone-it-in.

He did it to Masters a couple of times during their "feud". I think the lack of Carlito spitting in people's faces was more down to the fact he was a complete jobber who rarely got the upper hand rather than because the product went PG.

[Jordan]

I feel like I don't even know up from down right now.

[TazFTW86]

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[Jordan]

I am totally worked over right now by WWE. They have me in the palm of their hand.

[Jordan]

Where do we go from here? How do I just pack up my life and start over?

[TazFTW86]

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[addy2hotty]

Danielson in that video doesn't strike me as someone with the threat of being fired hanging over him so I think we can safely say that, if true, this decision was made Thursday or Friday - based on this so-called complaint from a third party.

I'd hate to be talent in the WWE right now, one wrong move and you may not even know it was a wrong move for several days.

[Vastardikai]

If it was for being too stiff with Cena, then Sheffield should also be gone due to his Murder by Lariat of Cena.

[Jeritron]

What's going on now? People think it's not a work?

[addy2hotty]

What's going on now? People think it's not a work?

Pretty much the way it's going.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's gotta be a work. Or at least all signs point to it being a work.

1) If the choking thing was such a huge deal that was taken so seriously that a one time use would get a guy fired, then surely WWE would want to phase out chokeslams as well. They'd probably want to shy away from sleeper holds too. But they haven't.

2) Danielson worked an FCW show on Wednesday. They cut the Roberts clip out from NXT on Tuesday. If a guy's in trouble and in danger of losing his job, you don't let him keep working. You suspend him pending further investigation.

3) Danielson was way too calm on his Twitter for a guy who got fired.

4) The release is not on the WWE Corporate site. Carlito's is.

5) The higher ups thinking it's real means nothing. They work for a wrestling company. They can play along too.

6) Only a handful of people knew about the NXT invasion on Raw in order to add to the realism. So if realism is the goal, hey why not keep everyone in the dark on this too?


Of course I could be dead wrong, but I highly doubt it.

[McLegend]

I think it's not a work, because I don't think WWE would want to use the Benoit rule as part of a storyline to get some guy or storyline over.

I say 75% that it's legit.

I wouldn't fire him over it, but I would damn sure tell him not to do it ever again.

[Jeritron]

It seems like the type of thing that would get you in hot water, but wouldn't get you fired. It would be the most ridiculous thing ever if what you guys are saying is true.
If it was, then I'll eat my words and probably lose a substantial amount of interest in WWE.

But it's a work.

[thedamndest]

The shareholders thought Donald Trump bought Raw for real, keep in mind.

[McLegend]

It's gotta be a work. Or at least all signs point to it being a work.

1) If the choking thing was such a huge deal that was taken so seriously that a one time use would get a guy fired, then surely WWE would want to phase out chokeslams as well. They'd probably want to shy away from sleeper holds too. But they haven't.

2) Danielson worked an FCW show on Wednesday. They cut the Roberts clip out from NXT on Tuesday. If a guy's in trouble and in danger of losing his job, you don't let him keep working. You suspend him pending further investigation.

3) Danielson was way too calm on his Twitter for a guy who got fired.

4) The release is not on the WWE Corporate site. Carlito's is.

5) The higher ups thinking it's real means nothing. They work for a wrestling company. They can play along too.

6) Only a handful of people knew about the NXT invasion on Raw in order to add to the realism. So if realism is the goal, hey why not keep everyone in the dark on this too?


Of course I could be dead wrong, but I highly doubt it.
I think a chokeslam, and choking a guy with a rope or a tie are two different things.

You have a point with the rest of the stuff though.

[Jeritron]

I think it's not a work, because I don't think WWE would want to use the Benoit rule as part of a storyline to get some guy or storyline over.

I say 75% that it's legit.

I wouldn't fire the him over it, but I would damn sure tell him not to do it ever again.

I don't think the WWE is using the Benoit rule though. That's one of the scenarios the IWC has seemed to cook up in their panic over this being potentially legit

[McLegend]

I don't think the WWE is using the Benoit rule though. That's one of the scenarios the IWC has seemed to cook up in their panic over this being potentially legit

Yeah this is very true.

[Evil Vito]

4) The release is not on the WWE Corporate site. Carlito's is.

<font color=goldenrod>I agree with the other points, but Carlito's is the only release on the Corporate site. Mickie James, Shelton Benjamin, and every other release this year went unmentioned. Carlito just got mentioned because it was a Wellness-related firing.

If it IS a work, I don't exactly know how they kayfabe-wise explain how a guy without a contract still managed to get fired, but we'll see.

Raw is a must-watch this week, for certain.</font>

[Jeritron]

Suprised nobody has suggested that Vince's black eyes have something to do with this being real, and started up a shitstorm of speculation and panic on that front.

[Mooияakeя™]

What's all this shit about Vince's african american eyes?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If it IS a work, I don't exactly know how they kayfabe-wise explain how a guy without a contract still managed to get fired, but we'll see.


Because this was done to screw with the IWC. The IWC all knew Danielson was under contract and that he wasn't actually competing for a spot in WWE.

[Jeritron]

The only things that point to it being real would be that thinking WWE masterminding and IWC viral marketing campaign for their latest storyline seems to be giving them too much credit.
That's the thing here. What they're doing is something they've never done before.


I wouldn't fret though, because it's a work.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I still refuse to believe WWE would fire somebody because of a choke. If anything they'd post a message on WWE.com saying "We apologize for those offended by the graphic content when -insert content here-" or whatever.

Just doesn't feel like a "one strike and you're out" type deal, especially somebody with the experience and credibility of Danielson. If it was any other NXT rookie I could maybe see the intolerance, but not with him.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm253/southflarep/takerbackground.jpg

This is fine.

[Schlomey]

so they were told to go out there...destroy everyone and everything....OBVIOUSLY didn't give anyone a list of things NOT to do...then fire a man for doing what he was told. NICE JOB.

[Mooияakeя™]

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm253/southflarep/takerbackground.jpg

This is fine.

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This is not.

(ps. see the guys description!!!!!!! - he so serious right now)

[Evil Vito]

Because this was done to screw with the IWC. The IWC all knew Danielson was under contract and that he wasn't actually competing for a spot in WWE.

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, but wouldn't that expose the rest of the stable? Unless the idea is for Danielson to come back and be like "we were signed all along and you fuckers didn't stand up for me!" or something.

No fucking clue. But this is the most intrigued I've been with WWE in some time.

Dragon-gate</font>

[Ermaximus]

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Who was the guy in the black pants that tried to "help" Miz and Christian?

EDIT: Lol, nm it was the referee. LMAO.

[addy2hotty]

I'm sorry but I don't buy that being Justin Robert's natural reaction.

He played the role, even though it was against the 'rules'.

[XCaliber]

Suprised nobody has suggested that Vince's black eyes have something to do with this being real, and started up a shitstorm of speculation and panic on that front.

Someone else brought it up already a few pages back.

[Jeritron]

Kevin Dunn and the camera production cut right to it with a close up. They made a boo boo too.
Seriously, that's the type of thing that gets you a slap on the wrist or a trip to the "doghouse", or a fine, or at the very most a suspension.
I can never in my wildest dreams see that being cause to fire a talent, especially one that they have plans for.

Kudos to whoever cooked up this scenario and the Benoit "rule" though. They've created a shitstorm.

[thedamndest]

I'm sorry but I don't buy that being Justin Robert's natural reaction.

He played the role, even though it was against the 'rules'.

Yeah, did Justin Roberts come out and say he didn't know he was going to be attacked? Seems like everyone just jumped to that conclusion.

[Jeritron]

They had to know. Come on

[TazFTW86]

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this shit is funny!!

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>WWE may end up being responsible for destroying the internet when every internet wrestling message board crashes simultaneously if he returns.</font>

[Jeritron]

Cena didn't know either

[TazFTW86]

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[Supreme Olajuwon]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, but wouldn't that expose the rest of the stable? Unless the idea is for Danielson to come back and be like "we were signed all along and you fuckers didn't stand up for me!" or something.

No fucking clue. But this is the most intrigued I've been with WWE in some time.

Dragon-gate</font>

I have no idea where they're going with this. But I had no idea before this story came out either. It didn't really make sense for Danielson to be Barrett's lackey after Danielson did so much to stand out on NXT. But I didn't really question it because I was just happy he was on tv.

[Jeritron]

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[Jeritron]

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[thedamndest]

How would Jerry Lawler know to lie uselessly under a table after taking like two punches unless he knew? The guy doesn't regularly go to meetings.

[addy2hotty]

Think the reports stated that only Cena and the NXT rookies knew what was going to happen to garner the 'real life reaction', hence why Cole ran off.

The more I think about things though, the more I think the real reason hasn't been divulged.

If Danielson updates his Twitter before Monday, it's legit. if he doesn't, I'm sure he's showing up.

[CSL]

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lol

[thedamndest]

Jerry Lawler's real life reaction is the same as his fabricated reaction anymore. "Hey, what is this? OHHHH! OH NO!"

[addy2hotty]

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Exactly to this. Roberts was mocked for his 'performance', now a couple of reports say that Roberts was legit choked.

Then again, somewhere else I read that he was busted open legit, and the photos don't agree when he's being helped away.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

But guys how perfectly does this play into Danielson's rant weeks ago about WWE holding him back even though he's the best? He gets singled out and "fired" while the rest get nothing. It would make perfect sense that the reason Slater was told not to choke was because they wanted Danielson to be the only one to get that violent.

[Jeritron]

I'll tell you who didn't know. The kid screaming "Mr. King!"

[thedamndest]

Love how there are like six guys helping get Cena loaded on the stretcher and only when they're done do they go lift the table off King.

[Mooияakeя™]

Sorry, I meant this for the description:

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"THIS IS WHAT BRYAN GOT RELEASED FOR, THIS! THANK YOU WHITE PARENTS WHO COMPLAINED! I'M WHITE TOO BUT YOU ALL NEED TO GET OFF HIS D!"

[Evil Vito]

http://twitter.com/chikarapro/statuses/16017080104

[Mooияakeя™]

http://twitter.com/chikarapro/statuses/16017080104

lol.

[Blitz]

Very interesting. I'm legitimately unsure if this is a work or not. If it is, WWE are very committed. If not, they are idiots.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Like Jeritron said, the only reason this seems real is because we don't have faith that WWE has the ability to pull this off because we've never seen them do it.


But WWE is always a few years behind on trends and viral campaigns have been around for a few years now. Maybe it's time.

[Jeritron]

NXT invasion could be the next Cloverfield

[VSG]

http://twitter.com/chikarapro/statuses/16017080104

:lol:

[DLVH84]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO, WWE!!!

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Word is that someone very important complained to WWE officials about the angle with the idea that kids who were watching may think it’s fun to choke people with their ties. It’s unknown who actually complained but it had to be someone with a lot of power within the company or TV network.

---

Let the guessing games begin. There are probably only a handful of people that could get one of the best workers in the world fired with no warning over three seconds of TV time.</font>

[Lock Jaw]

10,000 TPWWBucks that this is not a work.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Honestly, I wish I could have tapped into the phone lines to hear these conversations. Firing Danielson over this doesn't seem like something WWE would do unless they had no choice. For all we know they lobbied for a fine or suspension but the complaining party (Mattel?) threatened to pull their sponsorship if he wasn't fired.

And if that's the case, then Mattel (or whoever) is pretty damn heartless.</font>

[Vastardikai]

I hope it's a work.

If not, seriously, Corporate Wrestling can go get fucked.

[muffalufagus]

This needs to be a work. Danielson was getting over! I really don't think that McMahon and company can be that fucking stupid to let a gem like Daniel Bryan Danielson go.

[Vastardikai]

This needs to be a work. Danielson was getting over! I really don't think that McMahon and company can be that fucking stupid to let a gem like Daniel Bryan Danielson go.

2 words: Muhammed Hassan.

[muffalufagus]

2 words: Muhammed Hassan.

I understand that, but it's fucking Danielson we're talking about here. Are they really going to let him go because Roberts did a fantastic sell job? What about all the boys in the back that are behind Danielson? Jericho? Regal? HBK? etc.

[therocksays]

Im tired of the WWE PG shit, WWE lost its balls. it was a hell of a lot better when they weren't being all nanny about everything. we used to have steel chairs,blood,people getting pissed off and could actually say the word "pissed off" this WWE is like a disney land for kids, I think it just sucks now. wahoo dance offs. i'm surprised they dont have the divas wear turtle necks for fucks sake or put those black boxes over their ass and cleavage. IS EE A BRA STRAP, STOP THE MATCH. If the rock came back for a night, they would have to beep everything out he says. " Turn that darn thing at a 90 degree angle, and put it near your buttocks" I guarantee you the kids parents aren't any were near PG at home. Stupid PG. thats just my opinion though. I want to go to a live event and start up a PG SUCKS chant.

[Vastardikai]

I understand that, but it's fucking Danielson we're talking about here. Are they really going to let him go because Roberts did a fantastic sell job? What about all the boys in the back that are behind Danielson? Jericho? Regal? HBK? etc.

Corporate Wrestling, bro. The boys in the back < Stockholders.

[muffalufagus]

Corporate Wrestling, bro. The boys in the back < Stockholders.

I'd really like to meet the people or person that bitched about that. Seriously? A choke is crossing the line? There is more violence in fucking cartoons.

[PullMyFinger]

lol I'm sorry, I find this whole thing hilarious. I think if this is real and not a work, WWE just did a great "FU" to the IWC and caused a rise out of them. The best part is that the IWC is powerless and will just complain why WWE continues to pump out a profit in the end with bigger stars.

I'm not trying to come off as a dick here, I'm just saying.

[Skippord]

who wants to play the choking game?

[McLegend]

Not the WWE.

[muffalufagus]

lol I'm sorry, I find this whole thing hilarious. I think if this is real and not a work, WWE just did a great "FU" to the IWC and caused a rise out of them. The best part is that the IWC is powerless and will just complain why WWE continues to pump out a profit in the end with bigger stars.

I'm not trying to come off as a dick here, I'm just saying.

I'd be just as upset if they did this to anyone else. It's just stupid. You're whole product is simulated violence, anyhow.

[Savio]

Cena didn't know eitherNeither did the NXT guys.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'd imagine Danielson's Twitter inbox is getting blown the fuck up with "ARE YOU REALLY FIRED?" questions - surely if he were canned he would answer and put this all to rest...unless WWE asked him to keep it under wraps or else forfeit the chance at being brought back.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

Neither did the NXT guys.

Neither did the writers

[Vastardikai]

More Speculation from Keller...

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_41905.shtml

If this is the case, then seriously: Fuck Corporate Wrestling...

[#1-norm-fan]

Now according to the front page, the tie-choking being unfit for PG and being something kids would want to emulate was the reason for the release though WWE is open to bringing him back after it blows over.

I know in WWE world, Danielson, despite the buzz he has created, is still really low on the food chain but I think if that is the case, a simple reprimand would have sufficed. Releasing the man seems pretty pointless.

[Evil Vito]

More Speculation from Keller...

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_41905.shtml

If this is the case, then seriously: Fuck Corporate Wrestling...

<font color=goldenrod>If that bit about Danielson being warned in the past is true (which I'm skeptical about, I'd have thought the dirt sheets would have gotten wind of that somehow)...then I guess he is a bit of a retard for breaking another rule, assuming he knew the choking protocol.</font>

[ImAnIdiot]

Just my 2 cents... the whole irony is Vinnie Mac wins either way lol... legit or not we are all going to be watching for the next few weeks boosting his ratings... I for one hope they finally got there collective heads out of their asses and are royally messing with us...

[The Show Off]

It's silly if not down right stupid to fire Danielson if that's what actually happened. If it did happen though...

His no compete clause would end on September 10th... I'll be the ROH show in New York City September 11th. It would be nice to see the best in the world gets a kings return.

[ImpactPlayer365]

Wouldn't you think Danielson would say something about it if he was legit fired?

A work...to start the PG Rebellion. Led by Edge. With the other NXT 1 guys. Ahhh...wishful thinking.

[DrCrawford]

ive been reading reports that it was HHH's kids that were mortified by the choking. ok, strangulation is wrong but its cool to see people get hit with a sledgehammer, or almost run over by a car?

way to not make sense, WWE.

[muffalufagus]

Didn't Jericho and HBK choke each other out with a belt in that street fight last October? I just don't see the point in releasing a fucking talent like Danielson over something like this.

[Vastardikai]

But the whole "Jesus Christ" thing is damned annoying. I mean Jesus Christ...

The WWE has come to terms with the release of Vastardikai (Wilford Brimley) as of June 12, 2010. We wish him well in all his future endeavors.

[Savio]

To work this into the storyline they should just say Justin Roberts filed a restraining order against him

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>From JoCrazy on the Other Feds board:
---
Got this review of the latest observer audio update from another message board:

<i>Reiterated that the Roberts spot was deemed too violent and it led to the firing, in a call made by Vince, but forced upon him by an "outside force who is important"

Complaints came in very quickly.

Decision was explained to the merchandise and marketing people, PR team, company doctor before it was announced that it was a legit firing

Person who complained was someone from the "outside, important to the company"

Danielson was a "scapegoat"

No timetable has been given, but he was said to be left with the impression that he would be welcomed back at a later time.

Danielson now looking for indy dates.

Danielson has a 90 day no-compete clause.

With respect to the possibility of Vince working his own employees, Meltzer believes he's capable of it, and a much more "insane" situation is currently going on with a much bigger name than Danielson in WWE just now.

Sources in WWE believe they will lose him to TNA, claiming they have just "made a TNA main eventer"</i></font>

[VSG]

<font color=goldenrod>
With respect to the possibility of Vince working his own employees, Meltzer believes he's capable of it, and a much more "insane" situation is currently going on with a much bigger name than Danielson in WWE just now.</i></font>

What??

[Cool King]

<font color=goldenrod><i>Reiterated that the Roberts spot was deemed too violent and it led to the firing, in a call made by Vince, but forced upon him by an "outside force who is important"</i></font>

So someone getting choked is too violent but....

Cena goes through an exploding spotlight. All good.

[DrCrawford]

or batista gets thrown through a floor

or sheamus beating people with a pipe is ok

[Vastardikai]

What??

The Masked "CM Punk" is actually Randy Orton. Randy is wearing a skin-tight shirt to fake the tattoos.

[addy2hotty]

The Masked "CM Punk" is actually Randy Orton. Randy is wearing a skin-tight shirt to fake the tattoos.

:rofl:

[Razzamajazz]

he should have gotten a suspension or a fine or something....they let drug users have 3 chances ffs

[Sixx]

So it was Linda's decision?

[Loose Cannon]

I want know what other Insane thing is going on right now.

[Fignuts]

Drug users don't hurt their sponsors' pockets. Only neck ties.

Have to say I havn't picked up raw or smackdown in a couple years, but I have Watched the occasional PPV.

Now though, things are getting so ridiculous, that I don't think I'll even do that. And it's not because of them firing Bryan Danielson, but because it's just getting softer and softer, and more boring to watch.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I want know what other Insane thing is going on right now.

Shane McMahon is still with the company and going to lead the NXT/WCW/FCW/ROH rebellion?

[VSG]

I want know what other Insane thing is going on right now.

J.R coming back to head the NXT group? I have more fodder where that came from.

[Jordan]

So it was Linda's decision?

That's what I think too.

This is really fucking pissing me off btw. I am really upset about this. Most stuff that upsets me about wrestling doesn't affect my day to day life, but I have been pissed about this all day.

Please don't go to TNA, pleasssse.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Despite it being way more serious, I think this is the biggest "WTF?" reaction we've had out of wrestling-related news since Benoit :o

The reaction is also similar too (though again, less serious)...thinking it's a work at first...come up with theories...and then the slow realization of what actually happened.</font>

[Jordan]

I am seriously at a loss for fucking words. I am not a die hard ROH fan, but this guy is the best there is right now.

This is like Shawn Michaels leaving WWF in the mid nighties and not coming back.

Sure they say the door is open, but Danielson is a hard headed mother fucker who isn't going to take shit from anybody. So who knows if he will even want to work there again.

Man I am just so fucking pissed right now.

[Jordan]

It had to be Linda, I don't know where this "Mattel" report is coming from but Linda seems more likley to have this pull.

She has made it far and can't let anything stand in her way.

If this is true I wish her 20 germans and 20 head kicks.

[ClockShot]

Long odds on Linda. If she's actually keeping an eye on company/TV while running for Senate, that's pretty fucked up. All along I've thought Vince would be handling day-to-day operations until it's all said and done in november.

Had to be someone on the higher on the food chain. NBC?

[Jordan]

No she doesn't work for WWE. But she probably has her "team" watching the show to make sure nothing incriminating happens.

[Jordan]

And who would be able to sway Vince and Steph's happy mood but the most important person in their lives?

[Savio]

And who would be able to sway Vince and Steph's happy mood but the most important person in their lives?
Sponsors? UPN? The real WWF? A Double Murder-Suicide? Injuries? Wellness Policy Violators?

[Droford]

It only took them 5 days to fuck up the NXT Invasion!

The IWC is gonna be pissed off and the casual fan isn't gonna care about the 7 rookies anymore than they care about Zack Ryder in a couple weeks.

Stick a nail in it and move on.

[erickman]

That's what I think too.



Please don't go to TNA, pleasssse.

why don't you want them to have a bad ass x div. you have amazing red moore jeff hardy homaside curent champ and kaz, you ad shane helms and danielson you got good wrestling.

[Droford]

Also, I think Danielson would be stupid to go to TNA in its current form. If it were a couple years ago, maybe, but I think he'd be worse off in TNA than he would be in WWE if all he had to do was let things cool off for a couple months. With WWE currently, the newer guys are getting shots now and probably will continue to for the foreseeable future. In TNA he'll get burried behind the old guys and probably not even get on TV half the time.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It still just baffles me that they would fire him for this. I can understand a sponsor being upset and maybe suspending/fining the guy for breaking a rule...but taking his job away completely? For one infraction?

Whatever, I'm going to continue on as though this is real...and hope to hell I get surprised later.</font>

[teamXtremist]

and whats on the front page of wwe.com show chocking out punk rotflmao

i think assuming this is a work is giving wwe too much credit but we shall see

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod><i>– WWE has trademarked the term “The Network.” No news on what it could be for, so speculate away.</i>

Hmm...worth mentioning.</font>

[Ultra Mantis]

<font color=goldenrod><i>– WWE has trademarked the term “The Network.” No news on what it could be for, so speculate away.</i>

Hmm...worth mentioning.</font>

I guess Cole is the new Cyrus.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is pretty ridiculous. I'm still not entirely sure it's not a work. But even then, it doesn't make perfect sense. Why would Bryan Danielson be fired and no one else? We haven't heard anything from Bryan yet, so who knows? All is not lost, though. Right now, Danielson overshadows the other guys in "The Network," a bit. They have something to whinge about if Danielson is gone, and he can return down the line kicking heads in. He can also show his loyalty to the WWE and pretty much ensure a few bones thrown his way when he does re-sign.

But Bryan Danielson in TNA is a pretty intense idea, too. Danielson vs. RVD? Danielson vs. Angle? I'd watch.

[Xero]

From JR's Blog:

""I was surprised to get up Saturday morning and to read that Daniel Bryan or Bryan Danielson had been released from WWE. I am not sure of the exact circumstances and until that information is confirmed it's hard to make any definitive comments. Bryan is a talented wrestler who is not going to have any trouble finding work. His in ring style is unique, the young man has certainly paid his 'dues,' what ever that means now days, and he's arguably the most talked about performer on NXT. Certainly Bryan leaves WWE with momentum and with more fans knowing his name than at any point in his career. Plus, who is to say that Bryan will never return to WWE? There may be a great deal more to this matter than any of us know or, honestly, need to know at this time."

---

Isn't he still in talent relations? How the fuck does he not know?

[VSG]

I was waiting for J.R's blog on this, and that just made it all the more confusing. He definitely should know about this..

[Sixx]

Wait, whatever he did on the show was scripted, I don't believe he acted like this "on his own". So why fire him and not the writers?

[Savio]

that would have been awesome if they fired some writers instead.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Didn't Cena win a match a few weeks ago by choking somebody out with handcuffs?

Didn't Shad and JTG choke each other with straps during their Strap Match at Extreme Rules?

The list goes on. Something still just feels really fishy here. I'm more convinced he's been fired solely because EVERY single source is saying he's gone, but I still wouldn't be fully shocked if he showed up on Raw (not to say I wouldn't mark the fuck out)</font>

[jerichoholicninja]

I'm not one of those guys who has sucked Danielson's dick for years, the first time I ever saw him was his NXT debut, but he clearly has world class talent in the ring and can handle his own on the mic/play a character and has grown into one of my favorites. If this is true this is possibly the dumbest most stupid thing the company has ever done and the reasoning behind had just made me less interested in wrestling to the point that I may never be more than a fan is passing.

If this is a work, I bow down to you Vince McMahon and will never question you again.

[Skippord]

maybe they were upset because Justin Roberts made a face like he had Fragile X

[Swiss Ultimate]

Why is this page still active?

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/wwenxt/seasonone/danielbryan/

[Xero]

Maybe they hired Daniel Bryanson.

[DrCrawford]

to be fair, they dont take those down right away, do they?

[Xero]

Usually not.

[McLegend]

I'm not saying it make sense, but I guarnte this is the thinking.

Kids at home don't have straps, don't have spotlights, don't have handcuffs( I'm sure there will be jokes here), but every household has ties and belts.

Also I don't think it's Linda as the outside source.

[Skippord]

I'm pretty sure a belt counts as a strap

[Xero]

If Linda is indeed responsible for the PG era, I wouldn't be surprised if her or her campaign complained.

[McLegend]

I'm pretty sure a belt counts as a strap

I'm saying the big straps that they would use for strap matches. Those don't count as belts.

However did they use real belts or something else like that?

[Skippord]

no idea

where do they get those big straps anyway?

[McLegend]

no idea

where do they get those big straps anyway?

Cowboy store?

[Xero]

So what about chokes in general? Or the sleeper? I mean, I'm pretty sure most kids have arms and hands...

[Skippord]

The sleeper is pretty dangerous probably, especially how Dolph Ziggler does it

[Xero]

Anything like a sleeper can be damaging to the neck if done for real.

[McLegend]

So what about chokes in general? Or the sleeper? I mean, I'm pretty sure most kids have arms and hands...

It's easier to fake with arms and hands. Harder to fake with a belt or tie.

Kids would kill themselves faster with belts or ties in this case

[Xero]

I can almost guarantee that there will be a "don't try this at home" promo on RAW.

[Hanso Amore]

YOU DONT CHOKE PEOPLE

YOU SIMPLY BEAT THEM WITH YOUR FISTS

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'll be honest, I would be a bit pissed off if this happened to any of the NXT rookies. They now are a man down in their stable because of 3 seconds on TV...but, obviously, the fact that it's Danielson makes it suck even more.

Contrary to most of the IWC, there are relatively few guys WWE releases where I think "man, he could have really been something, WWE shouldn't have let him go" etc. but Danielson was one of them.

I never thought he'd be a multi-time WWE champion, or anything of the sort...but I felt he could eventually be a consistent upper-card guy based on the virtue of his ring work, maybe a token title run at some point. But basically, I thought he could be Chris Benoit with much more charisma. A guy who could be counted on for a good match 9 times out of 10. A guy who may not draw HUGE money, but people would still pay to see him in a legit program. Despite it being "sports entertainment", I do believe that some guys can still get over based on their work rate, you just have to give them the proper time in their matches so the crowd can appreciate their craft.

But, ah well. We'll never know unless this is an amazing swerve, or they just bring him back at a later date. I can't even chew out WWE for misusing him other than firing him, because I think they did a great job with him thus far and it felt like he was about to break out...just an unfortunate turn of events really.</font>

[Droford]

I can almost guarantee that there will be a "don't try this at home" promo on RAW.
They need to update it with BD choking out Roberts.

"Don't choke somebody at home"

"Think before you choke"

"Careers cut short in an instant" is given new meaning..

[Hanso Amore]

Why he couldnt be suspended or reprimanded like drug users, I dont know.

[Droford]

Why he couldnt be suspended or reprimanded like drug users, I dont know.

He could be a serial choker and might snap and choke someone out again without thinking..

[Splaya]

If this is a work, which I still think it is, when Danielson returns, the internet will crash. Not TPWW, but the internet

[Hanso Amore]

dude, im like 100 percent. I ntotdays WWE, he is fucking fired.

[Evil Vito]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/114744414.png?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1276396461&Signature=yd5GK%2FhDITjRMOwy2UdMk0JZ8g8%3D

[Bad Company]

Work

[Fignuts]

God, wrestling is so stupid.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The PG shit is fucking stupid. I don't see what morals the company really puts out there for children. Use your fists to solve your problems? Are the WWE going to have John Cena change his belt into the WWE Debating Championship? I understand Vince wants the WWE to be recognised as "legitimate" entertainment, but the rest of the world still calls it "wrestling" and still treats it like a freak-show.

Wrestling is never going to please people who don't like kids hurting themselves being fuckheads. It's violence whichever way you cut the cheese -- no matter how muh John Cena talks about respect. If Vince got his balls back, the WWE would not be such a boring place.

[Poit]

Jerry Lawler's real life reaction is the same as his fabricated reaction anymore. "Hey, what is this? OHHHH! OH NO!"

Doesn't King avoid preparing for shows, so that his reactions are more "genuine"?

[The Pope]

The PG shit is fucking stupid. I don't see what morals the company really puts out there for children. Use your fists to solve your problems? Are the WWE going to have John Cena change his belt into the WWE Debating Championship? I understand Vince wants the WWE to be recognised as "legitimate" entertainment, but the rest of the world still calls it "wrestling" and still treats it like a freak-show.

Wrestling is never going to please people who don't like kids hurting themselves being fuckheads. It's violence whichever way you cut the cheese -- no matter how muh John Cena talks about respect. If Vince got his balls back, the WWE would not be such a boring place.

[Swiss Ultimate]

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:D

[BigCrippyZ]

Cue the old school NBC "The More You Know" theme PSA with John Cena...

"So, you're fighting with your co-workers, throwing them through stages (footage of Bats going through stage), throwing them through spotlights (footage of Cena going through spotlight, hitting them with pipes (footage of Sheamus hitting HHH with pipe), choking them with their ties (footage of Roberts being choked)... No, don't choke people with ties..." The more you know...

[Razzamajazz]

Daniel Bryan Gone.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I thought they took the profiles off the page when they announced the releases.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Tune into RAW when the NXT Guys show up and hand out hugs, cupcakes, ice cream, teddy bears, and "Vote Linda" buttons and T-shirts.</font>

[Sixx]

Why is this page still active?

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/wwenxt/seasonone/danielbryan/

Uhm. ELIMINATED? What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

[Lock Jaw]

I hope they fired the director who decided to stay on that shot of the choke.

[Lock Jaw]

Uhm. ELIMINATED? What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

That he was eliminated.

[The Pope]

That he was eliminated.

:rofl:

[Sixx]

From fuckin' what?

[The Pope]

NXT

[Sixx]

I didn't even know it was some kind of a tournament. Carry on.

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, WWE

[RKO'em]

chokeslammmm

[The Pope]

what do I carry?

[Nark Order]

Chris Benoit gets the last laugh in all of this.

[tjmidnight420]

Chris Benoit gets the last laugh in all of this.

:rofl:

[Volchok]

this is the most exciting night in TPWW history lol

[tjmidnight420]

Most popular thread in a while.

[Nark Order]

I know alot of IWC-ites are extremely fragile when it comes to Danielson so I'll word this in a way not to offend the lot of you.

Maybe now I'll stop hearing about hm. I mean, jesus. Some people on the website act as if he's one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. It's a little ridiculous. He seems like a solid worker from what I've seen of him but calm down. Mother of fuck.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I know alot of IWC-ites are extremely fragile when it comes to Danielson so I'll word this in a way not to offend the lot of you.

Maybe now I'll stop hearing about hm. I mean, jesus. Some people on the website act as if he's one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. It's a little ridiculous. He seems like a solid worker from what I've seen of him but calm down. Mother of fuck.

Why do you think you'll stop hearing about him? If this is legit, he'll go back to the indy scene, put on great matches, and get a bigger reputation among the IWC. You thing people are going to go "Oh, well, he didn't make it in WWE, we were wrong, we'll shut up now."

Come on.

[FearedSanctity]

:n:

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:y:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1144/truth.gif

[Volchok]

Yeah, true.. I haven't seen anything of him outside of WWE aside from the occasional HDNet showing when he was on.. but there's just something about him that makes me wanna see him. I've been really interested in him since the one NXT after he was eliminated.

[Volchok]

He really does have "it".

[Nark Order]

Why do you think you'll stop hearing about him? If this is legit, he'll go back to the indy scene, put on great matches, and get a bigger reputation among the IWC. You thing people are going to go "Oh, well, he didn't make it in WWE, we were wrong, we'll shut up now."

Come on.


I guess it was more of a "hope" than me actually thinking I'd stop hearing about him. I suppose I underestimated the resilience of annoying IWC banter.

[Lock Jaw]

He was slowly starting to win me over when he started to show some personality with the whole "attack Michael Cole" thing.

[Swiss Ultimate]

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[Swiss Ultimate]

From fuckin' what?

They did that to everyone eliminated from NXT.

I dunno, this is all sounding like a work to me.

What's great is, by being suspicious, if I'm right I get to call all the believers marks and if I'm wrong I can point to years of similar stunts for why I was right not to believe. Win/win.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You know who's more annoying than Danielson marks? Danielson haters.

[CSL]

This is like Shawn Michaels leaving WWF in the mid nighties and not coming back.

ahahahaha, come the fuck on.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You know what's a crazy coincidence? UFC and TNA both have PPV's this weekend. That's weird.

[Nark Order]

You know who's more annoying than Danielson marks? Danielson haters.

Not sure if you were referring to me here. I don't hate him. In fact, I kind of like him. The treatment that he gets online here is a little out of hand though. He's a good solid worker. He's not Ric Flair.

THAT'S ALLS I'M SAYIN.

[Jimmy Cones]

Just wanted to mention the Bret/Vince spitting that occurred.

If this is legit I might slowly back off from WWE and start watching indy feds to see what my options are, starting with TNA to see if they pick up Shelton at any point. I don't think the Americna Dragon would go to TNA though. It could burn a bridge with WWE and I don't think he's known for that.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

What would you consider appropriate?

[YoungFlyFlashy]

From fuckin' what?

NXT.

[Ermaximus]

Kinda suprised this is legit. Oh well, nothing we can do now but move on and hope he gets another chance later on down the road.

[ImAnIdiot]

IF this is legit it is because parents can't raise their fucking kids anymore!!! Think about it "Kids might try this!" Not if they get off their fucking asses and raise them... why the fuck does my wrestling have to be watered down because some retarded assholes have kids and do not want to raise them. My daughter watchs wrestling with me weekly... kind of our thing now-go on make some feeble attempt at a joke about me and my daughter HBPunk you know you wanna- and at four years old she understands this is FAKE but also very "bad for you to do" as she puts it... This WWE-PG bullshit is getting beyond retarded. What's next is Dora or that oriental cartoon bitch going to "invade" Raw and figure out peacful solutions to the problems... Are we going to have angles where they get mad over one person not sharing. Simply put it is not WWE or any form of entertainments job to raise kids!!! Not drop the bullshit and give me my enjoyable show back.

[Xerzes]

Very interesting. I'm legitimately unsure if this is a work or not. If it is, WWE are very committed. If not, they are idiots.

[Vastardikai]

I am seriously thinking that if Austin 3:16 were to happen today, someone would get offended, complain about it, and Austin would have been fired.

[owenbrown]

I am so sick of this PG pussy whipped shit

[owenbrown]

From PWInsider:

QUICK THOUGHT ON THE BRYAN DANIELSON (NO NEED TO USE THE RIDICULOUS NAME ANY MORE) SITUATION<!-- InstanceEndEditable -->

<!-- InstanceBeginEditable name="Author" -->By Dave Scherer (dschererpwi@aol.com) on 2010-06-12 19:02:23<!-- InstanceEndEditable -->
<!-- InstanceBeginEditable name="article content" --> There is an old (and I mean OLD) saying that "Politics makes for strange bedfellows". Well, unfortunately for wrestling fans, we are living proof that this is true. Whether it was Linda's campaign itself or someone who came on board with PGWWE after the company swore that they were doing program for kids, the fact remains that last Tuesday morning, everyone in WWE was really happy with the angle from Monday's Raw (including Vince McMahon himself). By Friday night, someone got to Vince McMahon and made him edit footage, and Bryan Danielson was no longer employed. If there was ever a reason for Vince and Linda McMahon to realize that turning their back on what made them rich and look outside of the family (http://pwinsider.com/article/48278/quick-thought-on-the-bryan-danielson-no-need-to-use-the-ridiculous-name-any-more-situation.html?p=1#)for personal validation was the wrong thing to do, this is it. Well, that is if they really care about their wrestlers the way that they say that they do.
<!-- UFdJIENvbnRlbnQgU291cmNlOiBGcmVlIENvbnRlbnQgQCBJUCBBZGRyZXNzOiA2OC4yMTcuMTUxLjE2NQ== --> When Linda loses the election, well if she loses the election, if Danielson hasn't moved on, they owe him a big contract for being a political fall guy in a situation he didn't even think he was in.
<!-- UFdJIENvbnRlbnQgU291cmNlOiBGcmVlIENvbnRlbnQgQCBJUCBBZGRyZXNzOiA2OC4yMTcuMTUxLjE2NQ== --> That's all. I am just pretty ticked about how this all went down and needed to vent.

[PullMyFinger]

From PWInsider:

QUICK THOUGHT ON THE BRYAN DANIELSON (NO NEED TO USE THE RIDICULOUS NAME ANY MORE) SITUATION<!-- InstanceEndEditable -->

<!-- InstanceBeginEditable name="Author" -->By Dave Scherer (dschererpwi@aol.com) on 2010-06-12 19:02:23<!-- InstanceEndEditable -->
<!-- InstanceBeginEditable name="article content" --> There is an old (and I mean OLD) saying that "Politics makes for strange bedfellows". Well, unfortunately for wrestling fans, we are living proof that this is true. Whether it was Linda's campaign itself or someone who came on board with PGWWE after the company swore that they were doing program for kids, the fact remains that last Tuesday morning, everyone in WWE was really happy with the angle from Monday's Raw (including Vince McMahon himself). By Friday night, someone got to Vince McMahon and made him edit footage, and Bryan Danielson was no longer employed. If there was ever a reason for Vince and Linda McMahon to realize that turning their back on what made them rich and look outside of the family (http://pwinsider.com/article/48278/quick-thought-on-the-bryan-danielson-no-need-to-use-the-ridiculous-name-any-more-situation.html?p=1#)for personal validation was the wrong thing to do, this is it. Well, that is if they really care about their wrestlers the way that they say that they do.
<!-- UFdJIENvbnRlbnQgU291cmNlOiBGcmVlIENvbnRlbnQgQCBJUCBBZGRyZXNzOiA2OC4yMTcuMTUxLjE2NQ== --> When Linda loses the election, well if she loses the election, if Danielson hasn't moved on, they owe him a big contract for being a political fall guy in a situation he didn't even think he was in.
<!-- UFdJIENvbnRlbnQgU291cmNlOiBGcmVlIENvbnRlbnQgQCBJUCBBZGRyZXNzOiA2OC4yMTcuMTUxLjE2NQ== --> That's all. I am just pretty ticked about how this all went down and needed to vent.
lol @ "If there was ever a reason for Vince and Linda McMahon to realize that turning their back on what made them rich and look outside of the family for personal validation was the wrong thing to do, this is it. Well, that is if they really care about their wrestlers the way that they say that they do.
When Linda loses the election, well if she loses the election, if Danielson hasn't moved on, they owe him a big contract for being a political fall guy in a situation he didn't even think he was in."

I still find all this hilarious that the IWC is so fuming. WWE just pimp slapped the IWC. Let's be honest, while this was a good angle, the avg WWE fan won't even care. It's only the IWC that is in outrage. This whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Here's a guy that was on NXT, but to the IWC he's being treated as The Rock or Stone Cold.

My problem isn't Daniel Bryan, he had a bit of talent obviously, but the IWC makes it seem like he's the greatest.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Here's a guy that was on NXT, but to the IWC he's being treated as The Rock or Stone Cold.


This is the perfect example of why Danielson haters are more annoying than Danielson marks. Danielson haters get mad because Danielson isn't famous and hasn't had success in WWE. Who the fuck cares? Good wrestlers are good wrestlers. Entertainment is entertainment. Why should it matter what stage it's on? Are you gonna watch an indy film and say it sucks because it wasn't made by Paramount Pictures?

You know how you decide whether or not you like something? By watching it. Danielson marks watch him and decide that he entertains them more than most other wrestlers.

[Skippord]

god I hate the term IWC

[Londoner]

Wtf@ this thread!

[The Franchise]

fuck this im done vince

[Tazz Dan]

Most popular thread in a while.

It's the second best thread this year behind the TPWW: New Generation thread in casual.

[PullMyFinger]

This is the perfect example of why Danielson haters are more annoying than Danielson marks. Danielson haters get mad because Danielson isn't famous and hasn't had success in WWE. Who the fuck cares? Good wrestlers are good wrestlers. Entertainment is entertainment. Why should it matter what stage it's on? Are you gonna watch an indy film and say it sucks because it wasn't made by Paramount Pictures?

You know how you decide whether or not you like something? By watching it. Danielson marks watch him and decide that he entertains them more than most other wrestlers.


That's fine, and it's people's opinion. But there's a difference between that and the IWC drooling over him and then blaming the WWE for all the kid's failures on a grand stage. If it's okay to like Daniel Bryan, its equally okay to think he's overrated, but that tends to light up a fire in the IWC. It's like they can't accept it at all.

[Londoner]

That's fine, and it's people's opinion. But there's a difference between that and the IWC drooling over him and then blaming the WWE for all the kid's failures on a grand stage. If it's okay to like Daniel Bryan, its equally okay to think he's overrated, but that tends to light up a fire in the IWC. It's like they can't accept it at all.

Maybe because its bullshit?

[thecc]

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[Autobahn]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POdgyvgh0Ps

Who is Bryan Danielson? Straight-Edge, Vegan and a terrible influence on our nation's young, impressionable children. The heinous actions of former ROH star and NXT rookie Bryan Danielson (Daniel Bryan) on Monday Night RAW were brought to the attention PATV ( Parents Against Tie Violence) Headquarters. PATV officials were appalled a "Family-Friendly" company like WWE would allow such violence on their PG-rated variety show "WWE Presents: Monday Night RAW". We can only hope that children wearing 3-piece suits while watching Monday night RAW will not imitate the actions of Daniel Bryan.

When asked to comment on the incident, Mr. Danielson simply replied "I have till five"

[Savio]

Uhm. ELIMINATED? What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Thats what they do now if you get fired.

[Kane Knight]

YOU DONT CHOKE PEOPLE

YOU SIMPLY BEAT THEM WITH YOUR FISTS

Yeah, now's the time to point out inconsistencies in wrestling.

[James Steele]

<object height="405" width="660">:rofl:


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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I kinda wanna bookmark and/or download all of these Rant Vids/Tribute Vids/whatever on the off-chance that this is just the best work ever.

I mean, if Meltzer is correct in saying that Vince is crazy enough to try working the ENTIRE company into believing an angle is legitimate, then in theory Vince and Danielson may be the only two people to know what has actually happened. All it takes is Vince explaining to the company why the release needed to happen. The fact that we've heard that it's "an outside source" sounds shady as fuck, as does the notion that they would completely fire a guy for 3 seconds worth of TV. Plus, Danielson hasn't Tweeted since his ominious post about "the winds of change stirring" aka Wade Barrett's line.

Mind, I'm still pretty certain it's real, just because I don't have the faith that WWE would actually go to these lengths for Bryan Danielson. But, they've got me hooked and I can't wait to see how they play this off on Monday.</font>

[Kane Knight]

This is the perfect example of why Danielson haters are more annoying than Danielson marks. Danielson haters get mad because Danielson isn't famous and hasn't had success in WWE. Who the fuck cares? Good wrestlers are good wrestlers. Entertainment is entertainment. Why should it matter what stage it's on? Are you gonna watch an indy film and say it sucks because it wasn't made by Paramount Pictures?

You know how you decide whether or not you like something? By watching it. Danielson marks watch him and decide that he entertains them more than most other wrestlers.

And this is why smarktards are more annoying than thinking people. Guy says the IWC blew it and him all out of proportion, and gets labeled a "hater." Gets his tastes dictated to him by someone who should certainly know better.

[James Steele]

Kane Knight, you are such a self-righteous miserable cunt. Please explain to me how you can bash the IWC like you aren't a fucking part of it. I have asked that for 6 years and you have yet to answer with anything other than "BAW".

[Swiss Ultimate]

BAW!

[DrCrawford]

From PWInsider:

QUICK THOUGHT ON THE BRYAN DANIELSON (NO NEED TO USE THE RIDICULOUS NAME ANY MORE) SITUATION<!-- InstanceEndEditable -->

<!-- InstanceBeginEditable name="Author" -->By Dave Scherer (dschererpwi@aol.com) on 2010-06-12 19:02:23<!-- InstanceEndEditable -->
<!-- InstanceBeginEditable name="article content" --> There is an old (and I mean OLD) saying that "Politics makes for strange bedfellows". Well, unfortunately for wrestling fans, we are living proof that this is true. Whether it was Linda's campaign itself or someone who came on board with PGWWE after the company swore that they were doing program for kids, the fact remains that last Tuesday morning, everyone in WWE was really happy with the angle from Monday's Raw (including Vince McMahon himself). By Friday night, someone got to Vince McMahon and made him edit footage, and Bryan Danielson was no longer employed. If there was ever a reason for Vince and Linda McMahon to realize that turning their back on what made them rich and look outside of the family (http://pwinsider.com/article/48278/quick-thought-on-the-bryan-danielson-no-need-to-use-the-ridiculous-name-any-more-situation.html?p=1#)for personal validation was the wrong thing to do, this is it. Well, that is if they really care about their wrestlers the way that they say that they do.
<!-- UFdJIENvbnRlbnQgU291cmNlOiBGcmVlIENvbnRlbnQgQCBJUCBBZGRyZXNzOiA2OC4yMTcuMTUxLjE2NQ== --> When Linda loses the election, well if she loses the election, if Danielson hasn't moved on, they owe him a big contract for being a political fall guy in a situation he didn't even think he was in.
<!-- UFdJIENvbnRlbnQgU291cmNlOiBGcmVlIENvbnRlbnQgQCBJUCBBZGRyZXNzOiA2OC4yMTcuMTUxLjE2NQ== --> That's all. I am just pretty ticked about how this all went down and needed to vent.

by friday night nothing, NXT on tuesday night was missing the footage of the choke. it doesnt flow consistantly with the reports that everyone was pleased, if it was edited.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

And this is why smarktards are more annoying than thinking people. Guy says the IWC blew it and him all out of proportion, and gets labeled a "hater." Gets his tastes dictated to him by someone who should certainly know better.

It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of reasoning. You're free to hate Danielson if you choose, but if you're reasoning is because he hasn't been successful in WWE, that's stupid. You can be a great wrestler without being WWE Champion. Nobody balks when people say Keiji Mutoh is one of the best ever. Why? Because he was a great wrestler who had success away from WWE.


And besides, you know as well as I do that most Danielson haters have barely seen him wrestle. They just hate the hype. That's not the Danielson mark's fault. At least Danielson marks have some evidence to go on. That sounds much more like a thinking man to me than what you're talking about.

[Providence Peep]

Big Vito 22 wrote: "The fact that we've heard that it's 'an outside source' sounds shady as fuck, as does the notion that they would completely fire a guy for 3 seconds worth of TV."

OK guys and gals, so someone just asked something on another site what I decided to also ask here.

If the firing is legit, and I think it is (although I think he'll be back), do you think it goes deeper than protocol? Specifically, do you think maybe Justin Roberts was no in on the NXT "invasion" angle and either a) made a formal complaint about his involvement to WWE H.R. or b) threatened the WWE with a major lawsuit?

Maybe that seems far-fetched, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

BTW, don't choke!

[Nark Order]

Many people speculate the cause of death for former WWE superstar Umaga but I think that we all kind of know what really happened. Go to 6:15 in the video.

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FIRE CENA!!

[The Pope]

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

An update on Daniel Bryan's firing: it was due to pressure from an outside source following Monday night's angle. The choking with the tie and spitting in John Cena's face were the two main sticking points, and Vince McMahon is said to have had no choice. It is almost a guarantee that this is not a work, since that would mean WWE had lied to everyone with any power in WWE. They have all been told that Daniel Bryan is gone for real.

It seems very clear that Bryan is being used as a scapegoat. It also appears to me that someone from the outside (not WWE management) was the one who threw a fit and WWE had no choice but to fire him for now.

To recap, here are the key bullet points:

# The Justin Roberts spot was deemed too violent and it led to the firing, in a call made by Vince, but forced upon him by an "outside force who is important"

# Complaints came in very quickly.

# The decision was explained to the merchandise and marketing people, PR team, company doctor before it was announced that it was a legit firing.

# The person who complained was someone from the "outside, important to the company"

# Danielson is being called a "scapegoat"

# No timetable has been given, but he was said to be left with the impression that he would be welcomed back at a later time once things pass over.

# Danielson is now looking for indy dates.

# Danielson has a 90 day no-compete clause.

# With respect to the possibility of Vince working his own employees, he's definitely capable of it, and a much more "insane" situation is currently going on with a much bigger name than Danielson in WWE right now.

# Sources in WWE believe they will lose him to TNA, Once source said they just "made a TNA main eventer"

[The Show Off]

If the firing is legit, and I think it is (although I think he'll be back), do you think it goes deeper than protocol? Specifically, do you think maybe Justin Roberts was no in on the NXT "invasion" angle and either a) made a formal complaint about his involvement to WWE H.R. or b) threatened the WWE with a major lawsuit?

Professional wrestling is like the mafia, no one ever goes against the family.

Lets just say Danielson was a loose cannon and did all this stuff without anyone knowing (which I don't believe is true) why would Justin Roberts do anything to make WWE look bad? That's put him at odds against the men that pay his pay checks.

[The Pope]

I think Justin Roberts is the one to blame, why would he tell Danielson to pull on his tie knowing it's around his neck? I think Roberts was out to sabotage Bryan's career and he succeeded, so to Roberts I hope he's happy, he got what he wanted.
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Haven't there been numerous reports the past couple years about Vince trying to find ways to keep the Internet reporters from getting information, spoiling things, etc? And how he gets pissed off when things are leaked?

I seem to remember a few fake news stories coming out a couple years back, I can only assume somebody in management started them to see if they would leak. I also remember hearing things about Edge being hidden to prevent leaks of his Rumble return, people being banned from backstage, etc.

So, I do believe that Vince could make a crazy story like this, knowing full well it would spread. The problem is, again, I just can't see Vince seeing that much in Danielson to go this far with it. I love the guy, but in the grand scheme of things in WWE, Danielson is just not that important. A "fake release" storyline complete with telling the entire company that he's fired is something they'd only seem to do with a guy like Randy Orton or some shit (could have done this last year when he punted Vince in the head if he wanted to)

I'm like 95% sure Danielson is really fired...I'm merely trying to come up with justifications for the other 5% because I'm a masochist who wishes AmDrag wasn't fired</font> :o

[Loose Cannon]

^lol

[Loose Cannon]

whoops, that was meant to DR Perfects video, not Vito's post

[FearedSanctity]

Dixie Carter posted the following Tweets an hour or so ago.
To clarify. I will not be making an announcement about how TNA will change forever. You will just see for yourselves in the coming weeks.

However, there is still a nice surprise for tonight's Slammiversary pay-per-view.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Danielson just Tweeted:

http://twitter.com/bryandanielson/status/16099679557

Vague as fuck. Could still go either way.</font>

[Xero]

lol he's playing the whole thing up.

It's best for him to keep us guessing whether it's a work or not.

[Londoner]

Haven't checked the link but if he's not being clear about it i'lld say its definitely a work. They just want us all to tune into raw next week to find out. :mad:

[Xero]

"Biding my time, waiting for the right moment to speak."

[Nark Order]

lol, this is not a work. Come on.

[Londoner]

"Biding my time, waiting for the right moment to speak."

:wtf:

[James Steele]

This is similar to the whole Matt Hardy firing fiasco a few years ago.

[Mooияakeя™]

I'm 100% tuned on the fact this is not a work.

If it is a work, it's done me and Vince is still a master.