Bryan Danielson Released

[Londoner]

just seems too surreal too me...

[Jeritron]

ugh don't even know right now


Honestly, I know fans "threaten" to stop watching all the time based on creative decisions, but I really don't.
I think I'd lose a ton of respect and interest for WWE if this turned out to be as legitimate as people are beginning to think, though. It's not even for creative reasons either. It would just be the most ridiculous thing ever for a lot of reasons, including the very principle of it.

Talents get 3 strikes to use illegal drugs before being released, and this leads to countless deaths that haunt the business in a way no other industry compares to.

Yet a guy can be made a scapegoat for performing a harmless and previously common stunt? Especially considering that it is in no way more violent than hundreds of things they've made cornerstones of their product over the years.
Zero tolerance? No fine, no suspension? Just a flat out firing. Being made a scapegoat is ridiculous. It would be particularly bad if it turns out he was instructed to do any of these things


Dunno, still hoping this is a work and all of that text is purely based on the hypothetical scenario of it being true.
We shall see.

[Mooияakeя™]

It still beats me how you can beat people with objects and chairs (which when u think of it is more to hand than a tie consider most people sit on them when watching TV) and then through people through lights or tables and yet still this gets a guy sacked.

You can guarantee if this was a guy at the top like Edge / Orton / fuck, even Sheamus, this would not be a future endeavour.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Both of his Tweets have been pretty ominous.

My guess is that, even if this ISN'T a work, they asked him to be kinda shady about the whole thing because they want to bring him back sooner rather than later and turn this into a proper angle.

Of course, if it were a work I figure they'd want him saying he was fired and moving it along that way. We'll see. Probably real though.</font>

[Londoner]

It still beats me how you can beat people with objects and chairs (which when u think of it is more to hand than a tie consider most people sit on them when watching TV) and then through people through lights or tables and yet still this gets a guy sacked.

You can guarantee if this was a guy at the top like Edge / Orton / fuck, even Sheamus, this would not be a future endeavour.

If it is true then its obviously just being used as a bullshit reason to cover up something going on backstage, imo.

[Jeritron]

It's not that the WWE workplace has ever been fair either. I don't feel as though I'm owed anything, or that anyone other than me should even care I feel this way.
It just pisses me off on principle, and more specifically guts my interest in the product (just as quickly as the angle boosted it).
I'm sure I will cycle back into watching at some point, especially if they rectify this situation by hiring him back.
It's just pretty ridiculous though.

I was pretty certain this was a work, too.

[Londoner]

I was getting bored with WWE anyway and then this storyline sparked my interest again, if they fuck this up i dont think ill watch again for a long time.

[Mooияakeя™]

You know, they might just bring him back. Vince might have had his hand "pushed" and had to release him (that seems the main thing all news guys are putting out) then when it all blows over, they can bring him back in September in whatever way they please. Basically Vince had to do this and BD knows it and understands where Vince came from etc.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Though I doubt it gets patched up this soon if it's not a work...I'm gonna go ahead and pray to the Wrestling Gods (JBL?) that he makes his return on the June 21st Raw.

I'd never have to attend another live WWE event, cause I'd have been there live for the moment that made me mark out more than anything</font> :shifty:

[CSL]

You know, they might just bring him back. Vince might have had his hand "pushed" and had to release him (that seems the main thing all news guys are putting out) then when it all blows over, they can bring him back in September in whatever way they please. Basically Vince had to do this and BD knows it and understands where Vince came from etc.

Try telling most of the internet that.

[Jeritron]

Not sure why Vince had to do this though. Because of the campaign? Is one spot from Raw really going to be brought up in a serious political campaign?

A fine or suspension surely would have accomplished the same thing, by indicating disciplinary action and effectively covering their asses in case it ever was brought up.
One small action does not make or break the WWE's current image for Linda's campaign. If it's going to factor in, it already would have. It was on live television and we all saw it. It's not exactly headline news outside of wrestling that some guy used a tie choking spot. Is her opponent running slander ads with an image of Justin Roberts being choked out?

Come on.

[Jeritron]

Running for senate based entirely off a fortune and family success built from television violence and choking spots.
Suddenly it matters. What's one more tie spot amongst foundations?

[CSL]

It's politics. Opponents will try and skew anything to negatively affect the opposition. They could probably construe that image of Danielson choking Roberts as 'Linda McMahon finds vicious choking as acceptable entertainment for a PG audience including our children' or some balls. If there's a chance that one person will be offended by something, they're probably going to try and overcompensate for it. Which they appear to have done.

[Londoner]

It's politics. Opponents will try and skew anything to negatively affect the opposition. They could probably construe that image of Danielson choking Roberts as 'Linda McMahon finds vicious choking as acceptable entertainment for a PG audience including our children' or some balls. If there's a chance that one person will be offended by something, they're probably going to try and overcompensate for it. Which they appear to have done.

Well they shouldn't have told Danielson to do that in the first place then.

[Xero]

The thing about the Linda thing, and I DO believe that was a factor, is that the release was NOT listed on the Corporate site. If it did have something to do with that, they would have announced it there ASAP.

For the record, they normally only put them up on Corporate when they're released in relation to wellness. But this is something that should have made it up there.

[Xero]

Well they shouldn't have told Danielson to do that in the first place then.

How do you know he was told to do it? We don't. He really could have just been told to go out and raise hell attacking people without any hard ideas of what to do.

[Londoner]

How do you know he was told to do it? We don't. He really could have just been told to go out and raise hell attacking people without any hard ideas of what to do.

Maybe.

[CSL]

Well they shouldn't have told Danielson to do that in the first place then.

Maybe they didn't. As I said, choking happens in just about every single run in involving a group, Danielson's probably done it a thousand times and could quite easily have done it without thinking. And even if they did, it doesn't change anything. Apparently they were happy with the angle, it was somebody/thing outside of WWE that reacted negatively to it. Although they probably should giving how sensitive things appear to be at the moment, I doubt they are going to plan every step of a mass run in on live TV against some kind of Linda campaign checklist.

[Xero]

What would have happened if someone important to the angle, say Cena, got busted open the hard way and started bleeding profusely? Stop the angle and clean him up?

[CSL]

I'd guess Cena would have the sense and is a good enough professional to realize that blood is out atm, that the angle could be important and would have made an attempt to cover it with his positioning, telling guys to back off, his knowledge of where the cameras are etc. And the production truck would obviously avoid showing him as well.

[Jeritron]

It's politics. Opponents will try and skew anything to negatively affect the opposition. They could probably construe that image of Danielson choking Roberts as 'Linda McMahon finds vicious choking as acceptable entertainment for a PG audience including our children' or some balls. If there's a chance that one person will be offended by something, they're probably going to try and overcompensate for it. Which they appear to have done.

Yes, but a fine or a supsension really accomplishes the same thing. I feel as though they overracted, and probably responded to the fear of this having an effect on the campaign that it likely won't.
At this point, anyone who sees a choking on WWE is just going to look past it as business as usual.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>His firing was definitely because of the choke...however, I wonder how much the "Benoit Protocol" really had to do with it, or if it was just a reporter making shit up. I do buy there being a rule against chokes with weapons, however I find it hard to believe they'd take it really seriously unless it was completely unnecessary. To me, it added to the angle big time. But, every other weapon choke in recent memory has been within the confines of a match and therefore likely planned ahead of time.

Meh, whatever. There is just wayyyyyyy too much going on here. At least WWE seem to want him back, so heads will be kicked in in due time.</font>

[Jeritron]

I realize they are protecting their interests, but the claim that Vince had no choice is dealing in polar absolutes. The interests are also fairly ridiculous in the first place.

[Londoner]

Oh well whatever, we'll find out tmrw.

[Jeritron]

I think it's also fairly ridiculous that just because fans are disgusted with the possibility of this being true, that it's construed as the IWC being unreasonable.
Of course, the IWC is tremendously unreasonable, but I don't think finding this ridiculous is an instance where they should be considered as such.

[Londoner]

I think it's also fairly ridiculous that just because fans are disgusted with the possibility of this being true, that it's construed as the IWC being unreasonable.
Of course, the IWC is tremendously unreasonable, but I don't think finding this ridiculous is an instance where they should be considered as such.

Exactly.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I realize they are protecting their interests, but the claim that Vince had no choice is dealing in polar absolutes. The interests are also fairly ridiculous in the first place.

Remember when everyone found out the "Higher Power" that Undertaker was following orders from was really Vince McMahon?

[VSG]

Remember when everyone found out the "Higher Power" that Undertaker was following orders from was really Vince McMahon?

Don't you mean "Hover" Power? Can't find that classic video though..

[Xero]

All from Cena's Twitter (http://twitter.com/WWEJCena ), posted in chronological order:

I am very upset to hear about the release of bryan danielson. Social networks were formed so people would have a voice, and an opinon. I

Know you all have your own, theories and whatnot. I respect that. I have never asked any of you to feel a certaint way about me. But

Bryan left a lasting impression on the wwe universe in a very short time, and although it came at my expense, I agree with the majority

Of you who are caught off guard by this choice.

I know I'm not exactly appreciated by all, nor do I care to be, but I believe what I believe. I would like bryan to come back to the wwe.

I would like to sign your petition to bring him back. I was taught to stand up for what I beileve in. I tried and failed, so I could

Use some help. Tell me how to sign and I will. If for nothing else, to at least have a chance to have a match with him after what was done

I know that seems a bit more fair. Give me a chance to have a fair match with him, and give him yet another chance to prove that he does

Belong with us. Sorry for the long message, I know I am probally way out of line, I am sorry if I have offended anyone. But like me or not

That is what Hustle. Loyalty. And most importantly Respect means to me. Enjoy game 5.

[Inadequacy]

That's pretty cool

[Mooияakeя™]

There seems more to this now. Why would Cena do this. Surely he understands whatever has been said. Unless fuck all has. POWER STRUGGGLLLEEEE IN THE BACK.

[Xero]

Maybe that's the bigger issue backstage. Cena's starting to act out against WWE decisions.

[Mooияakeя™]

Good. Maybe he has some voice back there.

[CSL]

Maybe that's the bigger issue backstage. Cena's starting to act out against WWE decisions.

lol no chance. He doesn't have to since he seems to be one of the few guys with anything resembling stroke amongst 'the boys'.

[Mooияakeя™]

@WWEJCena I really dont like you. I utterly cant stand you, but I'll sign the petition. Im glad to see this time its not your fault.

@Cubfan2240 thanks

@WWEJCena Burying and lobbying to fire future talent isnt the way to build a strong future. And fyi, Im a huge Anderson mark.


WHY THE FUCK IS THAT GUY FOLLOWING HIM THEN????

[DrCrawford]

i think i have a new found respect for cena

[Providence Peep]

I'm not sure if I understand.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They could turn this into quite the angle. Cena could lobby to get Danielson back because he wants a match with him for what he did to him. Eventually, Bryan Danielson returns, and kicks Cena's head in randomly one night. Danielson says that Cena didn't really want him back -- and that it's people like him being threatened that he was fired in the first place.

I'm not trying to sound like a total smark, but given how intense The Network decimating Cena was -- a potential Cena vs. Danielson match could perhaps even be built up for WrestleMania next year.

That if this isn't all a work. :shifty:

[Jeritron]

I wonder how the lockeroom feels about this all. Sure, plenty of guys may not take the leap of speaking out, but some may.
If that's real, Cena just did, even if it's not behind closed doors. Cena is Cena. That will get to Vince.
Do you really think The Undertaker is going to bite his tongue if he doesn't like this?

I would hope Vince and the powers that be have some heat on them from the boys for something this ridiculous, if the current reports are true.

[Xero]

I wonder how Shawn is reacting, and if he's getting in Hunter's ear. I'm sure he has something invested in Danielson.

[CSL]

That Cena twit/tweet/whatever seemed to be very much in character, which judging by other posts from him like praising CM Punk for sticking around during the beatdown etc, he does quite often.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The thing is, even business-wise this is not really great for the WWE. The last time we see Daniel Bryan, he tells John Cena he's not better than him, spits in his face, and kicks him in the fucking head. Then he's a free agent? Bryan Danielson is literally too bad-ass for the WWE, if this is the case.

[Verbose Minch]

I'd just like to point something out in regards to the mystical ''Benoit chocking protocol''.

In Smackdown VS Raw 2007 (Which Benoit was in), it was possible to drag your opponent to the announcers table, you would then take off the cover, tear out the 2 tvs, and then choke your opponent with the power cord. In 2008 after the incident, this was taken out of the game.

Just figured I would point that out.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Cena always tweets in character, but that being said...I have a feeling that if he didn't care one way or another if Danielson was there, he wouldn't have said anything. Or he would have done a generic "I'm gonna get that Wade Barrett!!!" tweet, or something.

If nothing else, I'm glad to see pretty much everybody in the company respected him, and realized that he was a useful addition to the roster. Vince didn't want to release him, Cena seems to want him back, he seemed cool with just about everyone, etc. He'll be back. Hopefully sooner rather than later.</font>

[What Would Kevin Do?]

All from Cena's Twitter (http://twitter.com/WWEJCena ), posted in chronological order:

I would like to sign your petition to bring him back. I was taught to stand up for what I beileve in. I tried and failed, so I could

Use some help. Tell me how to sign and I will. If for nothing else, to at least have a chance to have a match with him after what was done
.


That part strikes me as very interesting. If this is true, it sounds like Cena went to bat for Danielson in the back, and didn't have enough pull to keep him.

[thedamndest]

Why would they even say that you can't choke someone with a cord but let wrestlers do the Crippler Crossface?

[McLegend]

Wasn't HBK the only one that used the crossface though?

Also the boys in the back should be on Danielson's side. Pretty much anyone(not everyone) of them could be in the same situation.

[Inadequacy]

HHH has used a few times too

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Cena sounded like he was voicing his own opinion but then decided he needed to stay in character at some point, hence the crap about having a match.

There are just wayyyyyy too many small pieces that have to fall in the right place for this to be a work. It would be so ridiculously elaborate and, again, this is Bryan Danielson. It just...doesn't feel like something WWE would do.

I think that if I copied and pasted everything I've posted in this thread about the incident into a Word document, it'd prolly be around 10 pages or so :o at least they got me talking</font>

[VSG]

Anyways...

WWEJCena
@ministrychick77 thanks
33 minutes ago via TweetCaster in reply to ministrychick77

[Xero]

lol yeah. Can't believe he responded to her.

[VSG]

Looks like he responded to just about everyone, guess he is a little free right now.

[DrCrawford]

maybe he was released for voicing his opinion lololol jk

[Xero]

WWEJCena Cenation. Thank you for letting me vent. Be well. Game 5 was unreal. Only thing that would make my day would be some snatch...and clean.

Sexual innuendo from the WWE Champion. :wtf:

[Mooияakeя™]

FUCKING LOL: http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?bdaniels

[Xero]

3348. Chris Benoit The Rabid Wolverine knows how it feels to be rejected because WWE doesn't recognize me at ALL anymore! THAT MAKES ME ANGRY!!! Speaking of which, I need someone else to suffocate with a pillow. It's getting awful boring down here in hell.

rofl

[Xero]

3337. TNA Slammiversary HEY! I just took place remember, does nobody care ? you will when we sign Bryan Danielson, oh wait our bookings so bad we'll still suck

[James Steele]

3348. Chris Benoit The Rabid Wolverine knows how it feels to be rejected because WWE doesn't recognize me at ALL anymore! THAT MAKES ME ANGRY!!! Speaking of which, I need someone else to suffocate with a pillow. It's getting awful boring down here in hell.

rofl


:nono:

[The Pope]

3337. TNA Slammiversary HEY! I just took place remember, does nobody care ? you will when we sign Bryan Danielson, oh wait our bookings so bad we'll still suck

WTF is that :nono:

[Lock Jaw]

3554. The Petition Itself I'M A HEEL NOW! SCREW DANIELSON! RAWWWWR!

[VSG]

3541. Michael Cole: Daniel Byran has no personality and no heart! What he did on RAW to Justin Roberts was inhumane and cruel. There are no excuses for his actions. He deserves to be fired!

Sigh.. Atleast spell the name correctly!

[rob11]

2486. Steiner You see, Bryan Danielson is the lowest form of homie sapien there is. If you take one half of Danielson and one third of that fat sum***** Smoh Joe, you get three quarters and an eight. Divide that by 7, and 53\% percent of that is the chance Danielson has of being able to be a man and go one on one with the big, bad, booty daddy. When the Earth turns on a 45 degree axis for the stars to create an equinox to see the big dipper, maybe one day Bryan Danielson will leave that cesspool of a promotion he calls Ring of Honor, but what I like to call Mexico North. And I apologise to any Mexicans reading.

[The Pope]

Vintage Lock Jaw

[Lock Jaw]

2486. Steiner You see, Bryan Danielson is the lowest form of homie sapien there is. If you take one half of Danielson and one third of that fat sum***** Smoh Joe, you get three quarters and an eight. Divide that by 7, and 53\% percent of that is the chance Danielson has of being able to be a man and go one on one with the big, bad, booty daddy. When the Earth turns on a 45 degree axis for the stars to create an equinox to see the big dipper, maybe one day Bryan Danielson will leave that cesspool of a promotion he calls Ring of Honor, but what I like to call Mexico North. And I apologise to any Mexicans reading.

lol









Mexicans can't read.

[The Pope]

I'm a Mexican, can you guys tell me what that says? No puedo leer en ingles.

[Lock Jaw]

You're not Mexican.







You're MexiCOOL!!

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/m/mexicool/01.jpg

[The Pope]

I am Super, I am Crazy, I am Super Crazy!!!!

[VSG]

I am Super, I am Crazy, I am Super Crazy!!!!

No, you are... The Juice!

[Evil Vito]

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/13718/

<font color=goldenrod>Free show. The first 25 minutes or so discuss Danielson/the NXT angle.

A good deal of it is stuff we've already seen/read...but he does bring up a couple other good points:

-The announcement happened at a time where there is very little web traffic on the site (late Friday night). If they wanted to make an angle out of it, it'd not only be at a better time, but probably be on the front page as opposed to being stuck onto the general News page where only the die-hards would look. They specifically mentioned that most Wellness firings have happened on Friday afternoon out of hopes that not as many people see it, and although this wasn't a Wellness firing, they were certainly aware that this news wouldn't be seen by as many people.

-If it WAS a work, it would probably be bad for morale to lie to your executives, particularly since many of them haven't got the first clue about the wrestling business and come from forms of entertainment that aren't based on lies.

But they do agree that it's completely asinine to fire him given all the other shit that happens on TV, and that the NXT angle will clearly need to be re-worked since he was likely going to be a focal point along with Barrett. Not to mention, everybody is baffled because he's now free to go wherever he wants in 90 days with his last memory being kicking the WWE Champion in the head.

Just thought I'd bring it up. I know some people here still think it's a work, and probably will continue to do so until they go on with 7 guys as if nothing happened and we don't see Danielson within a couple weeks...but yeah.</font> :-\

[Tazz Dan]

VOTE THE FRAZE, ROUND 3, KING OF THE FORUM 2010 IN CASUAL. IF YOU SUPPORT A TAZZ DAN MODERATION YOU WILL SUPPORT MY SUPPORTING. :y:

[Jeritron]

I was told that it is well known amongst wrestlers and employees in WWE that blatant choke holds with weapons or the ring ropes are not allowed in WWE, and the reason why is directly because of the events which occurred during the Chris Benoit tragedy.

I was told that Vince McMahon himself called Danielson directly on Friday night and informed him of his WWE release. Immediately after, Stephanie McMahon informed the rest of the WWE employees and talent that Danielson was no longer with the company.

Many online reports are suggesting that Danielson was thrown under the bus, so to speak, with this firing and from what I was told that is generally true. The source I spoke with gave me the impression that Danielson will be re-hired on the "91st day," which is a reference to his 90 day no-compete clause. Of course this is NOT a confirmation that Danielson will indeed be hired back, but the impression I was given is that Danielson's firing was something that WWE had to do to make sure they followed protocol, and not necessarily something that WWE wanted to do.

[James Steele]

Except they do it all the time...

[Jeritron]

To be honest I can't think of any examples in the past 2 years where it's been done. I'm not saying it hasn't, but I can't think of any

[#BROKEN Hasney]

4245. MATTEL BRING BACK BRYAN DANIELSON! WE JUST FINISHED MAKEING HIS ACTION FIGURES!!

[#BROKEN Hasney]

4248. MICHAEL TARVER I SHOULD BE ELIMINATED

[#BROKEN Hasney]

VOTE THE FRAZE, ROUND 3, KING OF THE FORUM 2010 IN CASUAL. IF YOU SUPPORT A TAZZ DAN MODERATION YOU WILL SUPPORT MY SUPPORTING. :y:

Spam. Should be cleaned up by a REAL mans moderator.

[Nark Order]

To be honest I can't think of any examples in the past 2 years where it's been done. I'm not saying it hasn't, but I can't think of any

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[Nark Order]

FIRE SHAD IMMEDIATELY!!

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I can't imagine the uproar Shad's firing would cause if a lowly NXT rookie can get to 15 pages.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I'm still going with WORK on this.

[ImpactPlayer365]

I'm still going with WORK on this.

[Skippord]

if DAMN iNATOR and ImpactPlayer365 believe it's a work then by gum, its a work

[Providence Peep]

If he returns to the WWE in 91 days, then perhaps we might never know whether the firing was a work or not. Although at this point, in my opinion, it's legit.

[Afterlife]

I hear Bryan Danielson got released. Is that true?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I still think this might be a blessing in disguise. Especially if Bryan Danielson gets a Matt Hardy circa 2005 treatment from fans. Granted, it's a different crowd these days, but Carlito's release didn't exactly cause this sort of stir. Danielson returning down the track as a bad-ass out for everyone's blood could be awesome, too.

I hope it's a work, but if it's not, I don't think it's the end of the world for Danielson and the WWE. Quite the opposite.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, Danielson's best bet at returning sooner rather than later is if the NXT segments become marred with "WE WANT BRYAN" chants started by the IWC.

Not that I expect it to happen, mind you...but it's not impossible either. Lita received "YOU SCREWED MATT" chants even when she was a face, before she sided with Edge on-screen. Casual fans probably had no idea what the hell was going on, but the chants were effective enough.</font>

[Innovator]

THEY DOOK DIS DEARB

[Loose Cannon]

I think they should seriously just put a mask over him. The guy or gal who called in the complaint will have no idea

[Afterlife]

I think they should seriously just put a mask over him. The guy or gal who called in the complaint will have no idea

Yeah, the long-head, short-torso, maroon tights guy in a mask would totally throw them off.

[Loose Cannon]

Mr America threw everyone off

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

Choking with a rope? Bye bye Heath Slater then

[CSL]

Slater stopped/corrected his 'mistake' pretty much straight away.

[DrCrawford]

because someone yelled NO. i didnt hear that when danielson choked roberts

[Evil Vito]

because someone yelled NO. i didnt hear that when danielson choked roberts

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah. That's something that seems rather odd to me. I'm honestly not entirely sure that Slater was aware of the rule, since he got in Roberts' face as Danielson was choking him yelling "HOW DOES IT FEEL???" rather than stopping him.

Also, Slater and Gabriel helped to rip off Roberts' jacket, shirt, etc. so I'd have to think they knew a choke was coming, cause why else would you wanna undress the guy?</font> :o

[The Ravishing One]

When you beat someone up - you have to strip them. Its the final nail in the coffin.........well 2nd to last nail before you make them humble.

[The Ravishing One]

THEY DOOK DIS DEARB



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[Xero]

From PWInsider:

Earlier today, we reported that the Raw replay on Telemundo included the now infamous shot of Daniel Bryan choking Justin Roberts with his tie.

Well, Jose Roman sent word that on the two Raw replays on Universal HD, the shot of the tie-choking aired as well.

So, this act was so heinous that Bryan Danielson was released, but WWE certainly didn't go out of their way to make sure it wouldn't air three times since Friday (when Danielson was released).

[Razzamajazz]

uh-oh, looks like they screwed up the work

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lol I actually saw the Telemundo version. I was flipping the channels and wound up seeing Cena surrounded by the rookies just as they were about to get into the ring. The commentary throughout the whole ordeal was hilarious because it seemed as though they tried to play it off like an Invasion.

*Otunga punches out ref*
"AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!"</font>

[CSL]

Spanish commentary makes everything better

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[Loose Cannon]

hmmmm, something just hit me. Maybe "The Network" they just trademarked is meant to be used in this Bryan thing. Maybe they are going to run a storyline similar to ECW's in 2000. The Network doesn't like choke holds.

[Splaya]

Great point LC. Holy shit, this might be sick

[nrt4]

hmmmm, something just hit me. Maybe "The Network" they just trademarked is meant to be used in this Bryan thing. Maybe they are going to run a storyline similar to ECW's in 2000. The Network doesn't like choke holds.

Looks like we'll be seeing this guy sometime soon.
http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/mcmahon/48/multimedia/cyrus.jpg

[BigDaddyCool]

Nice way to fail on your first post, newb.

[Lock Jaw]

I'd mark out for the return of FortuneCity.

[BigCrippyZ]

hmmmm, something just hit me. Maybe "The Network" they just trademarked is meant to be used in this Bryan thing. Maybe they are going to run a storyline similar to ECW's in 2000. The Network doesn't like choke holds.

As much as I'd love to see something like this, I can't see them going this direction, at least not the way I would want to see it with done, not during the PG era. Due to the black armbands on the season 1 rookies, I think they're going to start calling the stable of NXT season 1 rookies or maybe anyone who's against the WWE establishment "The Network". I'd love to be proven wrong though and have something similar to ECW's storyline.

[Volare]

hmmmm, something just hit me. Maybe "The Network" they just trademarked is meant to be used in this Bryan thing. Maybe they are going to run a storyline similar to ECW's in 2000. The Network doesn't like choke holds.

:y:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, given the fact that a lone "N" was all that was on the armband, Network seems as though it would be a likely name for the stable. I mean, the stable has to have a name some kind...and they just happened to trademark a word that begins with N. So yeah.

Kinda sucks when you think about it - there are so many things with this Danielson release that seem suspicious and like it could be a work, and yet pretty much all of them can be explained by some other means. I doubt WWE intended this much controversy or coincidence to come from this, but at least they have a built-in storyline down the line.</font>

[muffalufagus]

So we're all pretty much aware that this is legit, right? I mean... no way this is a work.

[CSL]

Dunno. Mark Feuerstein is hosting tonight. He was in The West Wing at one point. The west wing is in the White House. White. Milk is white. Milk comes from cows. Cows = Cattle. Cattle Mutilation. Bryan Danielson.

I think it's quite obviously a work. All the signs point to it.

[muffalufagus]

Dunno. Mark Feuerstein is hosting tonight. He was in The West Wing at one point. The west wing is in the White House. White. Milk is white. Milk comes from cows. Cows = Cattle. Cattle Mutilation. Bryan Danielson.

I think it's quite obviously a work. All the signs point to it.

I love South Park.

[RatedGSuperstar]

I haven't been around much lately, and just saw this late last night. I'm disappointed like most people, but this could end up being the best thing that ever happened to Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan if they do intend on bringing him back.

As others have said, the storyline is already there. If they play the cards right, they could end up making Danielson seem incredibly dangerous/bad ass to the average joe who never heard of him before NXT.

Right now this stinks, but it could make the eventual return even better than the incident that got him fired in the first place.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It's almost certainly real. My main point of interest tonight now is just seeing how they handle the NXT stable. If we only see Wade Barrett tonight and none of the other rookies, it could mean they plan on re-hiring Danielson sooner rather than later and he'll just be in on the next attack as though nothing happened. The casual fan won't know he was fired if none of the other rookies sans Barrett showed up, they wouldn't notice the drop in numbers.

That, or it could mean that they tried re-writing Raw and had absolutely no idea what the fuck to do to patch this up.</font> :p

[parkmania]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c174/Badassd2/nodragonnopeace.png

[addy2hotty]

I'm still stunned about Cena's comments on it all tbh.

I still refuse to believe the poster boy has no stroke backstage though.

[Evil Vito]

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[Loose Cannon]

LOL Come on.

At least the code is not Daniel Bryan

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Clearly, this is the real reason he was fired. It would hurt the Father's Day sale. "Benoit Protocol" my ass!</font> :shifty:

[Evil Vito]

http://i.imgur.com/Wtu4Z.png

[The Ravishing One]

lol

[Tazz Dan]

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[The Ravishing One]

Whys this in here TD?? You trying to piss me off?

[Tazz Dan]

:shifty:

[Volare]

I love Tazz Dan. I saw that last Saturday and was rollin!



Back to point though. I think this is legit, but I bet WWE will be kissing Danielson's ass to stay because of everything that went down for a comeback.

[CSL]

I doubt they'll be 'kissing his ass', there's only one place to be if he wants to make any kind of money.

[Blue Demon]

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LMAO</font> :o

I was gonna make a joke about this...but no need

[Volare]

I doubt they'll be 'kissing his ass', there's only one place to be if he wants to make any kind of money.

Yeah, your right. I should've said calling him once in awhile.

[addy2hotty]

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Robert Green wasn't wearing a cap. :n:

[Volare]

He should have, to hide his face in shame!

[CSL]

Like it's been alluded to, when this is all blown over, I would guess both parties will be happy with how things turn out (providing he re-signs). And either way Danielson will probably be happy. His earning potential has never been higher, WWE seem high on him, TNA will probably try and tempt him. He's probably sitting at home laughing at how much of a fuss has been made out of it all.

[Jeritron]

What sucks about it is that it comes at the start of a potentially huge angle, in which he was a major player.
He was a big part of the group and my interest in said group. It's gutting.

If it came at a normal time, it wouldn't be so much worse than an injury or hiatus, since he will probably be back with a big return.
It's just ridiculous for this to happen at this time.

[Jonathan KoЯn]

I dont really care for Bryan anyways

[DrCrawford]

love what i read on the main page, about how you cant reference benoit, yet michaels did the crossface a few months back. cool.

[VSG]

love what i read on the main page, about how you cant reference benoit, yet michaels did the crossface a few months back. cool.

So did HHH and Batista, the crossface is not on the list.

[Razzamajazz]

just another case of ryan clark being an asshat

[Skippord]

At least Danielson can do more MMA training for awhile

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, think we can put this matter to rest now. Seems pretty obvious that he's been released, given the fairly generic write-off.

However, the exaggerated "YOU WILL NEVER SEE HIM AGAIN!" clearly left the doors open for a return to feud with NXT...so it's not that bad.</font>

[thecc]

The final countdown part II tour should be enjoyable.

[Johnny McNasty]

I missed the first 15 mins of Raw, so was whats up with that "YOU WILL NEVER SEE HIM AGAIN!" line?

How weird is it that choking someone with a tie was banned after the Benoit incident, but not the cross face? I find it really strange, especially considering it was reported that the cross face is what Chris used to kill his son.

[thecc]

I hope he wrestles in Chikara as Daniel Bryan. He could team up with Colin Delaney.

[CSL]

I missed the first 15 mins of Raw, so was whats up with that "YOU WILL NEVER SEE HIM AGAIN!" line?

How weird is it that choking someone with a tie was banned after the Benoit incident, but not the cross face? I find it really strange, especially considering it was reported that the cross face is what Chris used to kill his son.

Emphasis on the word 'reported'

[Johnny McNasty]

True, but still you have to think that bit of disgusting news just being reported would make the WWE shy away from allowing that maneuver to be used. Who knows really though? I'm sure the move was banned for some time after that whole mess, but if it is allowed now a days than why not allow choking?

[CSL]

There is something a lot more graphic when it comes to a guy gurning into a camera, veins bulging and choking a guy with a piece of a tie/some rope than there is a guy trying to make another guy submit in the middle of a wrestling match with his hands wrapped around his face.

[Johnny McNasty]

I just can't see much of a difference between what you just described and say someone choking someone out with a sleeper hold or any other submission move involving a choke. Concerning the "don't use stuff kiddies can have access to at home" rule, what is more readily available a tie, or your own arm?

Also I just seen Miz use the bottom rope to choke Ryder for a bit earlier tonight. What is up with that?

Plus how is putting someone into a car then crashing the car several times less graphic than choking someone with a tie? WWE's logic fucks with my head.

[CSL]

I guess it's the context. To me, a guy jumping somebody backstage, kneeling over him and punching him repeatedly in the face is a lot more graphic and violent than any hold, strike, finishing move or submission etc that can be done in a ring, even though punches happen all the time during matches too.

[VSG]

I think the "management" did a superb job of handling everything. In fact, if/when Bryan returns, it will now be as a face and hence one might argue all he has to do is play with the "management". I am pretty sure this angle is headed for a couple of months at the very least and so its unlikely that he will be forgotten by the audience.

[CSL]

I'd have preferred the potential setup for his return to have been as a heel, maybe Barrett could have spoken about management being the reason he's gone or a restraining order etc but the way they've gone is fine. Just glad they didn't completely ignore it even though they easily could have.

[VSG]

Exactly, it's probably the 1st time they have even included a fired guy in a storyline segment. No one backstage wanted this to happen I guess, and they are trying hard to keep Bryan with them.

[Evil Vito]

I'd have preferred the potential setup for his return to have been as a heel, maybe Barrett could have spoken about management being the reason he's gone or a restraining order etc but the way they've gone is fine. Just glad they didn't completely ignore it even though they easily could have.

<font color=goldenrod>Exactly. Plus, they could still very easily make him heel upon return if they wanted/needed to. Not hard to pull a "Okay, I've re-hired you to go against Barrett!" "Surprise lol I just swerved yo ass *kick*"</font>

[Evil Vito]

I missed the first 15 mins of Raw, so was whats up with that "YOU WILL NEVER SEE HIM AGAIN!" line?

How weird is it that choking someone with a tie was banned after the Benoit incident, but not the cross face? I find it really strange, especially considering it was reported that the cross face is what Chris used to kill his son.

<font color=goldenrod>Each of the 7 rookies refused to apologize, Bret called them cowardly, etc...so Barrett mentioned "We had another guy by the name of Daniel Bryan, like you he seemed to have some sympathy...so rest assured you'll never see him again!" or something to that extent.

Implication is that he would return as a face against the NXT group if he comes back, but they could always change things.</font>

[McLegend]

If this isn't a work Vince is a huge Pussy for this.

HUGE

[CSL]

It's not a work.

[McLegend]

I don't think it's a work either, but just covering all bases.

[Vastardikai]

Danielson should have just thrown Roberts in a car and smashed it into other cars.

[Johnny McNasty]

<font color=goldenrod>Each of the 7 rookies refused to apologize, Bret called them cowardly, etc...so Barrett mentioned "We had another guy by the name of Daniel Bryan, like you he seemed to have some sympathy...so rest assured you'll never see him again!" or something to that extent.

Implication is that he would return as a face against the NXT group if he comes back, but they could always change things.</font>

Thanks for that Big Vito. Hmm I do like that they let Barrett and the guys claim to be the ones who got rid of him, as it would have been quite retarded for Bret to have done so. Like I said earlier I can see this working out hugely in Bryan's favor if he just chills for the next 90 days.

[CSL]

Danielson should have just thrown Roberts in a car and smashed it into other cars.

Well he'd still have a job if he did.

[XCaliber]

It's fine too infer a kid being superkicked without any repricussions and yet and someone gets fired over using a choke with a tie? Yeah that makes sense damn I wish WWE would grow a set and stop being hypocrites. This whole situation is making me consider to switching my wrestling brand loyalties after all these years.

[Evil Vito]

Thanks for that Big Vito. Hmm I do like that they let Barrett and the guys claim to be the ones who got rid of him, as it would have been quite retarded for Bret to have done so. Like I said earlier I can see this working out hugely in Bryan's favor if he just chills for the next 90 days.

<font color=goldenrod>No problem.

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2010/june15-21/14746778

The vid's there. Cool they actually wrote him off. Hopefully it's not too long before he's back (if he is).</font>

[CSL]

It's fine too infer a kid being superkicked without any repricussions and yet and someone gets fired over using a choke with a tie? Yeah that makes sense damn I wish WWE would grow a set and stop being hypocrites. This whole situation is making me consider to switching my wrestling brand loyalties after all these years.

I guess it's the context. To me, a guy jumping somebody backstage, kneeling over him and punching him repeatedly in the face is a lot more graphic and violent than any hold, strike, finishing move or submission etc that can be done in a ring, even though punches happen all the time during matches too.

Everything you just saw was implied. It was implied that Bret was beaten up. It was implied that he was in the back of the car. You didn't actually see anybody slap him around and you definitely didn't see him front and centre of the screen being choked out by a maniacal looking vegan.

I know the posts I quoted aren't specifically aimed at your post but you get what I'm getting at. Also, that HBK/little girl skit was a comedy segment whereas last weeks RAW ending definitely wasn't. And also, Chris Benoit didn't superkick his son to death and then hang himself with the boot he kicked him with.

Yeah, it's all a bit daft. Yeah, WWE probably realize so. But until either the full story comes out or are in that position, I don't see how people can get upset about it outside of 'I like Bryan Danielson, it's a shame he won't be on my TV for a few months' (which is what most of it really is)

[ImAnIdiot]

I like how everyone here has faith this will even be brought up upon his return... this is the same company that replays what we saw just before a commercial break immediately following the break "In Case We Forgot"

[Juan]

I like how everyone here has faith this will even be brought up upon his return... this is the same company that replays what we saw just before a commercial break immediately following the break "In Case We Forgot"

They do those quick replays for people who are just tuning in, you dense twit.

[parkmania]

Here's an interesting point of view from former wrestling insider Mark Madden - It's not a work. ROH had built Danielson up as "the best wrestler on the planet", and the IWC ate it up. WWE brings him in and "shows" everyone that he's not that good, stripping away his credibility, and then kicks him to the curb at the first opportunity.

[Loose Cannon]

except he did prove he was actually that good. He proved me wrong. I was thought he was over hyped (and he still is though) and put high expectations on him. From what I saw, he delivered. I think Mark Madden needs to shut up

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah fuck Mark Madden. And even at that, it's impossible to compare his WWE time with his ROH/Japan/indy time. Unless you're on SmackDown, chances are your match will be around 5 minutes long as opposed to 15+.</font>

[McLegend]

I thought Danielson did pretty well. Did Mark Madden even watch any of Danielson's time in WWE?

[McLegend]

Really if you think about it Danielson got fired for doing his job to well. So screw him.

[Providence Peep]

Does Mark Madden think anyone actually cares about his opinion of Bryan Danielson? Mark Madden?!? Of all people?!?!

[RGWhat316]

Read a report earlier that said Linda's campaign may have had something to do with this crap as well.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I have a feeling this "story" won't die for like at least a month. Apparently today, Meltzer admitted he's not sure WTF is going on and that many of his sources in the company are starting to think it's a work just based on all the weird shit around it (particularly Cena's Twitter...even though most of the other stuff is mere coincidence). But Meltzer also admitted that if its a work, its rather baffling and pointless because most casual fans still are totally unaware that any of this.

Oh yeah, and this'll give something for the IWC to fantasize about - I guess he even theorized that if they were to bring him back sooner rather than later, they could even have him be the guy that drove the limo...since the stunt driver does bear a slight resemblance:</font>

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1742/danielbryancopy.png

[Londoner]

^ thats what ive been thinking all along, that he will be revealed as the driver...

[Xero]

Barrett did say we'd never see "Daniel Bryan" again. :shifty:

[Jeritron]

Even if he's supposed to be the driver, they would not actually have him driving the car. That's a job for a stunt driver, and he's also been sent home.
Driving a car for them is the same as working a match. He's fired.

[The Pope]

It's a work... Fuck you Cena for fucking it all up.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, he's definitely fired. Of course, if he returns within a month everybody will be like "LOL I TOLD YOU IT WAS A WORK!" when it really wasn't. It'd be like Matt Hardy, if anything.</font>

[DAMN iNATOR]

I have a feeling this "story" won't die for like at least a month. Apparently today, Meltzer admitted he's not sure WTF is going on and that many of his sources in the company are starting to think it's a work just based on all the weird shit around it (particularly Cena's Twitter...even though most of the other stuff is mere coincidence). But Meltzer also admitted that if its a work, its rather baffling and pointless because most casual fans still are totally unaware that any of this.

Oh yeah, and this'll give something for the IWC to fantasize about - I guess he even theorized that if they were to bring him back sooner rather than later, they could even have him be the guy that drove the limo...since the stunt driver does bear a slight resemblance:

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1742/danielbryancopy.png

^ thats what ive been thinking all along, that he will be revealed as the driver...

Yeah, I thought at first it sort of looked like him, but then again it could've been some random indy jobber from a Charlotte-area fed for all we know. But yeah, I could definitely see that as a possibility for where this all goes eventually.

[Xero]

From JR's Blog. He shoots down the rumor of Linda's campaign having anything to do with it:

I've made it a point to not to dwell much on politics on this website. There are many reasons why but largely I find politics boorish and self serving. Partisan politicians are to be disdained because when their personal or their parties agendas come before the American people I find it reprehensible. In my eyes, many TV politicians are akin to certain TV preachers and , well, we all know how that's worked out over the years.

Today a friend sent me a link to a wrestling website that posted a anonymous email saying that Daniel Bryan's firing had something to do with Linda McMahon's campaign for the Senate in Connecticut. More specifically this unknown, unidentified person even went so far as to say that Bryan's termination was dictated by the someone of authority in the campaign. First of all, if you knew Vince McMahon as I do you would know immediately how ridiculous that theory was. McMahon taking orders from some outsider? Right.

I've heard some BS in my life and my share of conspiracy theories during my 4 decades in the wrestling business but this one ranks right up there with some of the stupidest theories I've ever heard.

I like Linda McMahon personally and feel she is a class act as she has always treated me professionally and with respect but if she had asked me, she didn't BTW, I would have suggested to her to not walk but to sprint away from politics. I'm that down on the whole political scene and that world's half truths, posturing for personal gain, party first agendas, and the can't balance our own check book mentality of professional politicians. Granted Mrs. McMahon isn't a professional politician of which I should clarify and furthermore I am not a registered voter in the state of Connecticut.

In all the years that I worked in the front office of WWE never once did Linda attend a booking meeting, discuss with me or my group who was being fired or hired or what was going to happen on TV. When she appeared on TV as a character on a fictional show, for the record, she played a role that was written for her. She was never overjoyed, as I recall, about being on TV in the first place much less when she had to kick me south of the belt line one faithful night in Corpus Christi. She did not like the assignment and neither did I but we both did our jobs as we were produced to do. It was show biz plain and simple.

My point in this blog is that Linda McMahon has zero to do with the day to day running of the WWE and the WWE being the public company that is it isn't so stupid as to allow a political campaign to influence the hiring or firing of a wrestler, what happens in segment 11, or what's booked on the next PPV.

Linda has been detached from WWE likely longer than most outsiders even know.

I've had plenty of personal issues with WWE, for the record I still think that I should be working on the air, and this blog likely won't endear me to some of the higher ups but let me make this clear....Linda McMahon nor any of her campaign workers or staff have a damn thing to do with how the WWE operates from a business perspective and they never will.

The decisions that are made within the WWE are made in the best interest of a public company. End of story.

For someone to be 'anonymous' and to try and take a cowardly approach to why the mysterious termination of Daniel Bryan took place and to place the blame on a political campaign is simply insane. I have great respect for all fans and their opinions regarding the many complex facets of the business but this one has struck a chord that I felt compelled to address.

This anonymous tip business was just plain stupid and as comedian Ron White says, "You can't cure stupid."

Sorry to go off on a 'political' tangent but the talented Daniel Bryan is no longer in WWE's plans. I've been there and I know how he feels. Like many fans I, too, am personally disappointed in this development and hope that Bryan returns to WWE some day.

However, if the young man does or does not return it will have nothing to do with anyone's senate campaign.

[thecc]

http://botchedspot.com/comics/2010-06-14-daniel-bryan.jpg

[RP]

sounds like a politician

[Jeritron]

I love how Madden and some people think the WWE did this to cut him down and kick him to the curb.
I highly doubt that. What would be the point of signing and pushing a guy just to prove a point? I don't think the WWE cares about what smart marks think that much.
Especially since the last thing they had him doing on television was kick John Cena in the head. If it was a premeditated act of burial, they would have had him job to hornswoggle or something.
It's obvious that whatever happened came up in the days following Raw, and had nothing to do with any agenda or conspiracy.
Madden is a clown.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah. I'm also fairly convinced that if he were to return relatively soon (ie: while the NXT angle is still going on, ie from now to SummerSlam probably), it will be as a heel and the "Daniel Bryan felt remorse" thing would just be a red herring.

I mean, if they were content with just pulling him out of the angle and being a face, they could have just had him be the only NXT guy to apologize and shit on air without actually firing him. I doubt any sponsors/politicans/whomever would be like "NO THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH! FIRE HIM!"</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>JR's comments are quite interesting, though. If he's right in saying that Vince would never be influenced by an outside source, then that would suggest that firing Danielson was his own call, not "he had no choice."

Still feels un-Vince like to simply fire a guy right after beginning a huge angle, especially since the day after the Nvasion, all signs indicated that everybody in the company was happy about it.

We'll probably never see this much controversy over a release again</font>

[Londoner]

JR just described exactly why i hate politics. :cool:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>And the case can now be closed:

http://twitter.com/bryandanielson

"Still not the right time, other than to say this: I am now available for independent bookings."

---

In before "it's still a work! he's being allowed to take bookings to work people extra hard!"</font>

[Xero]

http://botchedspot.com/comics/2010-06-14-daniel-bryan.jpg

ROFL

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Well, that didn't take long:

Bryan Danielson has been booked for the EVOLVE show on 7/23, and the Dragon Gate USA show on 7/24

Apparently, under the 90-day no compete clause, WWE has to approve of any bookings until it expires. But usually they'll sign off on anything not televised or TNA.

So yeah, guess the more bookings we hear about until then, the better of an idea we can get about when he might return. I still think they want him to be back before the NXT angle is over, and since I think it'll end at SummerSlam maybe we'll see him screw over Wade Barrett in a WWE Title match or something. The timing of these bookings would make sense if that were the case, since you figure they'd want him doing some shows shortly before returning to get rid of any ring rust.</font>

[thecc]

There's so many possible matches for Danielson in the next 90 days. Hopefully Chuck Taylor is his opponent at evolve and Shingo at DGUSA. Beyond that I'd love to see the wwe let his use the Daniel Bryan name for Chikara ala Colin Delaney. It could be a great way to book him as a heel.

[Xero]

Seriously considering going to that EVOLVE show.

[Mooияakeя™]

Well he ain't being a complete baby about this, or he doesn't know how to use Twitter cos he's still following loads of WWE product. No idea on if they are "following" him.

[Mooияakeя™]

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1742/danielbryancopy.png

http://th03.deviantart.com/fs41/300W/i/2009/009/d/b/Neo__s_Matrix_Sealed_Mouth_by_WolfMoonIllusions.jpg

[Xero]

It seriously looks like a mask to me, just because of the blank stare and expressionless face.

[thecc]

Seriously considering going to that EVOLVE show.DO IT! Evolve has been rad this year. There probably will be a Japanese dude on the show too.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>JOHN CENA: 'IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR WWE AS A BUSINESS ENTITY TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT DANIEL BRYAN WILL BE ABLE TO GENERATE REVENUE'
By Buck Woodward on 2010-06-16 17:49:23

Huge thanks to Chad Mosher, who typed up the following report on John Cena's appearance on the Busted Open radio show on Sirius XM Radio today.

He discussed subjects like “Stone Cold” Steve Austin, the WWE Championship and his rapping persona but the most interesting aspect was his comments on Bryan Danielson. The interviewers brought up Cena’s Gillette commercial where he struck Mr. McMahon with a chair and asked, “How are you able to hit the CEO…with a chair but Daniel Bryan can’t choke out a ring announcer?.. With the NXT invasion angle… to get rid of Bryan Danielson – you came out on Twitter and said ‘listen, we want this guy back, I’ll sign a petition, where do I sign?’ Really, where does this situation stand, John?”

Cena replied with: “It stands where it is. I believe Bryan was given his release, and this is just my belief, it’s complete speculation so basically you’re going off my secondhand knowledge, it’s something to do with violating our PG content agreement which is very serious… It was tough for us to get that [TV-PG] logo in the beginning. For us to violate that content agreement, we get in trouble with our TV providers, we get in trouble with our sponsors, it pretty much is not good business. I think that is the reason upon the Bryan Danielson release but on the same token, for a young man such as him to make an impact on the WWE Universe in that short a time, it says something about who he is as a person and where he belongs amongst our group.

“I agree with a lot of folks who think the penalty might have been a little too severe but the best advice I can give everybody… the WWE is a business. That’s why I was one of the names on that petition… But if the fans collectively want this young man back in the company, the only way to do that is the power is within the ticket buyers. If the ticket buyers come out by the fifty thousands, by the hundred thousands and say, listen, we want this young man back, we think he has something to offer, we’re a company that worries about the bottom line.

“As far as a fix to the situation, who knows what a fix is gonna be, but I’d put the power in the hands of the consumer. That’s why I was one of the first to sign that petition because I think if you show strong enough belief… it would be very, very difficult for WWE as a business entity to ignore the fact that Daniel Bryan will be able to generate revenue.”

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As much as I hate Cena's character, it's really hard not to like him. Just always seems like a genuine class act.</font>

[Jeritron]

I'm not entirely convinced Danielson will be back in 90 days. He could, but there's been nothing to promise that other than rumors. Everyone seems to be clinging to that, and although it's probable, I don't think it would be shocking if it didn't happen for much longer.

[Tyler Killer]

I suck

[Xero]

Agreed.

[Tyler Killer]

I suck penis, that is

[Razzamajazz]

lol @ the edits

[Xero]

Xero's a queer

Leave this. It's true.

[Tyler Killer]

loud noises

[Tyler Killer]

My first post was a legitimate question until you went and fucked it up. So :foc:

[CSL]

He has a point.

[Xero]

. < The Point

[CSL]

Brilliant.

[Xero]

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[Jeritron]

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[tjmidnight420]

I suck

I don't know what this said to start but I'm pretty sure Juan said the same thing he did with a whole lot less words. :y:

[Droford]

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2729/image06072010235743.jpg

[Xero]

That ghost is about to mouth rape Cena.

[Jeritron]

The Artist Formerly Known as Daniel Bryan

[Droford]

Casper the Wrestling ghost

wait..that should be Sheamus

[Xero]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/sandman3g/nowitsshaemus.jpg

Now it's Sheamus.

[Droford]

"You're not whiter than me, fella"

[thecc]

Jon Moxley
Shingo
Ibushi
Chuck Taylor

All these matches need to happen.

[James Steele]

And the case can now be closed:

http://twitter.com/bryandanielson

"Still not the right time, other than to say this: I am now available for independent bookings."

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In before "it's still a work! he's being allowed to take bookings to work people extra hard!"

Its the Matt Hardy situation all over again. Real firing that turns into a neat angle. Maybe Daniel Bryan will show up and beat up Michael Cole and say "COME SEE ME IN RING OF HONOR!!!!"

[McLegend]

The Matt Hardy thing was a total work from the beginning though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Matt Hardy thing was not a work. If it were a work, then it would have actually been capitalised on. Hardy would have won the WWE Title that year, because there was not a single thing bigger. They put him in a match with Edge, he got his ass kicked, and Edge got awarded the match. It made Hardy look like a clown. If the Hardy thing were a work, Matt would have gotten disqualified at SummerSlam for kicking Edge's ass too badly.

Bryan Danielson will be back. The WWE will want him back, and Danielson knows that he can make a lot of money there. TNA just isn't the platform. He could return as a bad-ass babyface against the Nvasion (I like that name, actually), or he could return as a heel, complaining that he showed remorse and he was the only one who wasn't hired by the WWE.

[McLegend]

I would bet money that the whole thing was made up to get Edge over, and not Hardy.

And Yes Danielson will be back, but I hope he comes back apart of the NXT stable.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think so. Edge was already getting pretty over as a heel. Lita also remained a face until the fan backlash began.

[McLegend]

Edge wasn't never nearly as over until after that whole thing. Every thing about that was planned.

EVERYTHING

[Tazz Dan]

Come vote for me in KoTF people. Cheers. :D

[Juan]

Come vote for me in KoTF people. Cheers. :D

Come on with the spam, bro

[Evil Vito]

I'm not entirely convinced Danielson will be back in 90 days. He could, but there's been nothing to promise that other than rumors. Everyone seems to be clinging to that, and although it's probable, I don't think it would be shocking if it didn't happen for much longer.

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah. There's no real way of knowing when he'll be back, just a guessing game. I'd bet on his return being within the 90 days, but that's only because all indications are that management really liked him and he seems to have the support of most of the boys (including the face of the company). If they want him badly enough, they'll probably come to an agreement just before his clause expires and TNA comes after him and whatnot.

It's implied that his return won't be any earlier than the last indy date he's booked for, so I guess keeping an eye on that is the way to go for now. Danielson and Gabe Sapolsky are close, so even though they probably have a "look, you have to allow me to back out on the offchance WWE want me back sooner", I can't see him bailing on Gabe and pissing off everybody who bought tickets to EVOLVE and/or DG USA just for Danielson.</font>

[TNA&USA#1]

Why would Danielson ever want to go back to WWE? He got fired for no reason. They took away his paychecks for at least 3 months to satisfy a corporate sponsor. Why would Danielson ever want to return to a place with that kind of loyalty?

[Evil Vito]

Why would Danielson ever want to go back to WWE? He got fired for no reason. They took away his paychecks for at least 3 months to satisfy a corporate sponsor. Why would Danielson ever want to return to a place with that kind of loyalty?

<font color=goldenrod>Because WWE is the only place to make a good amount of money, and everybody there liked him. Plus I'm sure he understood why he was being fired, and that they really didn't want to do it.

If he had no intention of returning and didn't mind burning his bridges, a Bryan Danielson shoot interview would have already been released by now.</font>

[Innovator]

Edge wasn't never nearly as over until after that whole thing. Every thing about that was planned.

EVERYTHING
Hardy botched that return promo real badly, that led to him being devalued.

[tjmidnight420]

Why would Danielson ever want to go back to WWE? He got fired for no reason. They took away his paychecks for at least 3 months to satisfy a corporate sponsor. Why would Danielson ever want to return to a place with that kind of loyalty?

Dude Danielson isn't gonna go to your precious TNA to be curb stomped by Hogan and his boys.

[TNA&USA#1]

<font color=goldenrod>Because WWE is the only place to make a good amount of money, and everybody there liked him. Plus I'm sure he understood why he was being fired, and that they really didn't want to do it.

If he had no intention of returning and didn't mind burning his bridges, a Bryan Danielson shoot interview would have already been released by now.</font>

Who cares if they gave him a good reason for firing him? They took away his income. And they did it so a sponsor wouldn't stop giving them millions of dollars.

And Danielson didn't even do anything wrong. So how could he possibly come back to the company that will fire you over nothing? It's not like he'll come back and the rules will change. He could get fired again just as easily. Maybe another sponsor complains that he kicks too hard and he gets fired again.

[Evil Vito]

Who cares if they gave him a good reason for firing him? They took away his income. And they did it so a sponsor wouldn't stop giving them millions of dollars.

And Danielson didn't even do anything wrong. So how could he possibly come back to the company that will fire you over nothing? It's not like he'll come back and the rules will change. He could get fired again just as easily. Maybe another sponsor complains that he kicks too hard and he gets fired again.

<font color=goldenrod>Show me a person who would rather lose a million dollar sponsorship deal instead of releasing a guy who isn't even a draw for your company, and I'll show you a guy who's a really terrible businessman.</font>

[TNA&USA#1]

Show me a man who wants to work for someone who will take away your ability to earn a living just so they can put more money in their own pockets, and I'll show you a pushover.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bryan Danielson will be laughing when he is the WWE Champion making a shitload of cash himself, though. He's always known what the WWE is like. It's why he held off on signing with them for so long. When Danielson signed with the WWE, he got treated pretty well. They were going to hot-shot him straight to the main roster, and then they pretty much booked a show around him.

I am pissed off about Danielson being fired, too, but there are probably a few key reasons Danielson did it. First and foremost is the money, and secondly is the chance to prove he can make it on the big stage while he still can. He can now say he kicked the WWE Champion in the head, but I'm sure he'd love to prove himself even more, win a championship or two, work a PPV, move some merchandise, get his own titantron, and be able to retire young. It's not like Danielson wasn't aware of any alternatives when he originally signed with the company. Danielson wanted to be there, and that he took so long to sign shows that he knew it wouldn't be easy.

He'll be back. I'm pretty sure he will be, anyway.

[Evil Vito]

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/photo.php?pid=5034548&id=7175346442&comments

<font color=goldenrod>lol damn. It's the official WWE Universe page, too.

Everytime I hit refresh the amount of "likes" increases by a couple hundred</font> :cool:

[CSL]

"hell no after what him and the rest of them did to not only cena but everyone and everything in there path if they take him back its pretty much saying he can do whatever he wants and the others can to they didnt even say sorry so why should they get another chance they shouldnt they dont even feel alittle bad for what they did and if they sign him... See more all the other wrestles are gonna have it out for him its not a good idea they will end up doing it again dont let them get away with it cause its gonna give every rookie from this day forward the same chance and then they will expect to get away with it and its bullshit dont let em back in."

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah I could probably spend all day reading these comments. Boggles my mind how many people actually think the storylines are real. :lol:

But yeah, pretty cool that it's posted at least. I don't think any other firing ever got this sort of treatment.</font>

[CSL]

"no re-signing for animals"

[The Pope]

Close this thread, Cena ruined the storyline already.

[CSL]

Yeah. Cena's fault. As per.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I feel as though a vast majority of people who have put up anti-Danielson comments are Arabs</font>

[CSL]

Work. Hassan is coming back.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I would wholeheartedly endorse the return of Muhammad Hassan</font>

[The Pope]

Who doesn't?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Nearly 4,000 "Likes" in 2 hours...blowing away any of the other "Like/Dislike" things they've put up on there.

And WWE Universe page seems to be relatively kayfabe'd up, which is why putting it up to begin with is rather interesting. I have to think he'll be egtting the Matt Hardy treatment when he comes back. Hopefully he won't come out and say he hopes for someone to die in a car accident during his return promo.</font>

[Evil Vito]

Who doesn't?

<font color=goldenrod>People who don't like getting their promos being inter...

AYALELEALELEYAAAAAAAAA

Dammit, Hassan!</font>

[parkmania]

Grand Conspiracy Theorist Kevin Kelly has his own take:

http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/article/you-cant-cure-stupid-104707

[Mooияakeя™]

So he back with Dragon Gate in a Dark Match? No 90 day clause then?

[Mooияakeя™]

"hell no after what him and the rest of them did to not only cena but everyone and everything in there path if they take him back its pretty much saying he can do whatever he wants and the others can to they didnt even say sorry so why should they get another chance they shouldnt they dont even feel alittle bad for what they did and if they sign him... See more all the other wrestles are gonna have it out for him its not a good idea they will end up doing it again dont let them get away with it cause its gonna give every rookie from this day forward the same chance and then they will expect to get away with it and its bullshit dont let em back in."

lol. This guy needs to join here. The fun would be epic.

[thecc]

Grand Conspiracy Theorist Kevin Kelly has his own take:

http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/article/you-cant-cure-stupid-104707

The word on the street is that Cena was royally pissed that Danielson hocked a loogie on him during the NXT angle. My only question is which of Cena’s Two Faces did Bryan spit on? lol, come on

[Jeritron]

Who knows what's true or not. All I know is it's hard to take his accusation of Cena playing to smarks seriously, considering he's writing an editorial for a dirtsheet.

[Mooияakeя™]

dirtsheet.

http://images.teamtalk.com/09/03/800x600/WWE-SmackDown-The-Miz-John-Morrison_2049232.jpg

[jskinnyg]

<font color=goldenrod>I would wholeheartedly endorse the return of Muhammad Hassan</font>

Fuck Yeah! he was a badass...

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like John Morrison, I like The Miz, I like Muhammad Hassan, I like Bryan Danielson, I would fuck Nikki Bella, and Brie Bella's alright too, I guess.

This poll asking whether or not they should bring back Danielson is pretty interesting. He might be back ASAP. Danielson as the driver?