MLB 2010-2011 Off Season Thread

[ClockShot]

Andy Pettitte is thinking more of retirement than return.

Not good.

[Aguakate]

Andy Pettitte is thinking more of retirement than return.

Not good.

Andy Pettitte is starting to become the Brett Favre of New York Baseball.

[Hanso Amore]

All the more reason that they need to make Lee happen.

[Skippord]

Don't see why not. They have a beautiful ballpark, nice uniforms, a young team full of talent, and Buck Showalter as Manager. If you're looking for the right fit, and not necessarily a contending team, then I don't see why you wouldn't go to Baltimore.
because you don't want to be shot in the face

[DaveWadding]

The Os didnt have a 5 tool stud to start with.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/10/12/sports/broken650.jpg

[Skippord]

that bat actually broke from the very presence of Justin Upton

[Skippord]

Jim Tracy collapsed at the Winter Meetings

I am blaming Scott Boras until otherwise informed

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Have the Tigers expressed interest in Crawford? Not sure why, but I picture them getting him somehow.

It all depends we have about 2 teams maybe even 3 above Baltimore that want Crawford.

1. Red Sox(After not getting Werth I think the Sox are gonna go hard after him.

2. Angels(They're still in the mix right?)

3. Yankees (Right now it's been said that Carl is our "Plan B" If Lee doesn't come here then the Yankees are going hard after Crawford. Now, who knows they could sign both Crawford and Lee. But, we have Gardner The Yankees love Brett Gardner and he's been doing better so it could go either way)

[ClockShot]

A's don't get a deal done with Hisashi Iwakuma. He goes back to Japan, A's get their $19 mil. back.

Kevin Towers doing work in Arizona. Signed J.J. Putz and Melvin Mora.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

A's don't get a deal done with Hisashi Iwakuma. He goes back to Japan, A's get their $19 mil. back.

Kevin Towers doing work in Arizona. Signed J.J. Putz and Melvin Mora.

I forget who does Towers get for Mark Reynolds?

[ClockShot]

I forget who does Towers get for Mark Reynolds?

D-Backs get relievers David Hernandez and Kam Mickolio. O's get a PTBNL or Cash in the future to go along with Reynolds.

[Evil Vito]

He also started playing when he was 19 so he had a bit of a head start.

<font color=goldenrod>I was shocked tbh. I didn't realize he had been in the league that long.

Of course, his 2004 contract and subsequent dropoff screams steroids. Think that was the last year before they started a proper Wellness Program.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Nationals are gonna offer a 7-year deal to Cliff Lee.

Holy shit.</font>

[Loose Cannon]

I'm liking this Nationals owner. he's going all out

[Innovator]

Wow, Natinals grew a pair

[The Pope]

See? You don't have to trade away your 5 tool stud to get nice things in return.

The all time strike out record in baltimore is like 160, That will be broken :lol:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Better than him going to the Phillies at least. Halladay-Lee-Oswalt-Hamels. I could be the 5th starter and it'd still be the best rotation in baseball.</font>

[Loose Cannon]

http://americansportsblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/nationals-owner-theodore-h-ted-lerner-the-billionaire-businessman-and-entrepeneur-is-trying-to-steer-a-path-of-prudent-financial-restraint-whilst-trying-t.jpg?w=440&h=350

Give em ALL SEVEN YEARS!!!!!

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>A team source said it isn't happening.

Looks like this might have been more typical Winter Meetings bullshit where rumors are reported as facts.</font>

[The Pope]

Trading Reynolds saves Dbacks $13 million next two seasons, players coming back make a little more than league minimum of 400K each

[Triple Naitch]

Supposedly the Nat's ownership group is worth $3-5 billion. This is nothing for them.

[Loose Cannon]

<font color=goldenrod>A team source said it isn't happening.

Looks like this might have been more typical Winter Meetings bullshit where rumors are reported as facts.</font>

http://americansportsblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/nationals-owner-theodore-h-ted-lerner-the-billionaire-businessman-and-entrepeneur-is-trying-to-steer-a-path-of-prudent-financial-restraint-whilst-trying-t.jpg?w=440&h=350

Oh Fuck, that Werth kid took all my money

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Looks like the Mets are gonna sign Ronny Paulino to be their backup catcher. Fine by me, he had great numbers against lefties. Nice compliment to Thole.

The main focus should still be to get a starter. Unfortunately Alderson said the price is steep right now at 1 year, $5 million for Chris Young and Jeff Francis.

$5 million steep for a NY team? Christ. I knew they weren't going to spend much this offseason, but goddamn. Madoff really must have fucked the Wilpons worse that they're willing to admit.</font>

[ClockShot]

Ty Wiggington to the Rockies. 2-years, $8 mil. with an option for '13.

[Gertner]

Jays trade Shawn Marcum to the Brewers for 2b Brett Lawrie their top prospect.
AA is the best young up and coming GM in baseball.

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>Looks like the Mets are gonna sign Ronny Paulino to be their backup catcher. Fine by me, he had great numbers against lefties. Nice compliment to Thole.

The main focus should still be to get a starter. Unfortunately Alderson said the price is steep right now at 1 year, $5 million for Chris Young and Jeff Francis.

$5 million steep for a NY team? Christ. I knew they weren't going to spend much this offseason, but goddamn. Madoff really must have fucked the Wilpons worse that they're willing to admit.</font>

ESPN is reporting the team and the owners are currently being sued by another group responsible for refunding money stolen by Madoff. Supposedly one group from the Mets managed to make a profit off of the ponzi scheme.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5895743

[Loose Cannon]

lol Mets

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'm not entirely sure what the problem is. Sounds like they withdrew the money from that fund before anybody was aware that there was a Ponzi scheme going on. How could they get sued for that?

Guess that means anybody who happened to make money and withdrew early can get sued despite not doing anything wrong.</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

This group might of had insider knowledge into the scheme or deal and found out it was a scam but took their money out before telling anyone else it was a fake deal. The only other way is if they were stupid enough to be in the lawsuit claim against Madoff and now got exposed for not loosing money.

[ClockShot]

Yankees and Mets got their hands on Russell Martin's medical records.

I'd sign off. Take some pressure of Posada, and we can wait on Montero just a bit longer.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I don't think they were aware it was a scheme, otherwise they would have withdrawn more than just that fund.

Anyway, from what I'm reading - sounds like anybody who made money on the scheme even without knowing it's a scheme are being forced to return some of the money so that people who were on the tail end can get some money back. Mets probably refused initially and so here's the lawsuit.

Can't blame them for refusing since, again, they didn't know it was a Ponzi scheme and had no way of knowing that they were actually getting money from people on the lower end. They'll wind up reaching a settlement or something.</font>

[Evil Vito]

Yankees and Mets got their hands on Russell Martin's medical records.

I'd sign off. Take some pressure of Posada, and we can wait on Montero just a bit longer.

<font color=goldenrod>I'd be interested in Martin. He wants to play on the East Coast. Sounds like Paulino is the main catcher the Mets are targeting though and he'll come cheaper. Either one is fine by me.

Also sounds like the Mets are close to signing DJ Carrasco. Decent enough reliever, the only head-scratching part is that it's a 2 year deal. I figured Alderson would stay clear of all 2-year deals for relievers but my guess is he realized everybody is getting at least 2 so he'd get squeezed out.</font>

[Gertner]

I think Martin is going to play in Toronto.

[Dragon]

Yankees and Mets got their hands on Russell Martin's medical records.

I'd sign off. Take some pressure of Posada, and we can wait on Montero just a bit longer.

Montero/Martin behind the plate would be a solid fit. Montero has yet to catch a full season still so I imagine they'll be easing him in next year. If anything Martin is an upgrade from Cervelli and if he starts hitting anywhere like he was a couple years ago he'd be a huge upgrade.

Cashman has said that Posada is the everyday DH next year and would be a third option for catcher.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Wow. So apparently Cliff Lee has two 7-year offers on the table. It's not the Yankees, Rangers, or Nationals.

Business is about to pick up!</font>

[Dragon]

I find it kinda hard to believe. Cashman was interviewed and said he has yet to even put an offer in because Lee's agent was waiting on bids. Yet the ever present mystery teams are offering 7 year deals already.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Reds are the mystery team. At least one of them. I'm pretty sure. They don't have the money budgeted but I know the money's there if they could get Lee. But they're keeping it tight because if they don't get Lee they don't want the fans thinking the Reds are going to spend that money elsewhere. It's Lee or nothing.

[Emperor Smeat]

I find it kinda hard to believe. Cashman was interviewed and said he has yet to even put an offer in because Lee's agent was waiting on bids. Yet the ever present mystery teams are offering 7 year deals already.

From what I heard, Yankees offered a 6-year deal but Lee either wants more money or an extra year.

Rangers rumored to go after Greinke if they lose out on Lee since.

Pujols agent wants something in the range of A-Rod money ($200+ million) and is using the "best player in MLB/NL" that a lot of experts say about him as the leverage. Cardinals worried more about the deal being 7 years and if Pujols begins to decline after 3 years.

[ClockShot]

In other news:

Judge in California rules that Jamie and Frank McCourt are Co-owners of the Dodgers. Neither get full control of the team.

Well, that should make the divorce just as messy. Who's calling shots in that club?

[YOUR Hero]

This is good. They do need a more established pitcher on their team. I wonder what they would ask from the Jays. You think maybe Travis Snider or Ricky Romero might have to be part of the deal?
OMG, if all the Jays had to give up was Travis Snider, I would faint.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

OMG, if all the Jays had to give up was Travis Snider, I would faint.

I did say "Part of the deal" this is Grienke we're talking about he's a great pitcher just would work out better on a small market team with his problems.

[Gertner]

Grienke would cost the Jays Drabek and Snider. I'd still do that deal.

[Gertner]

Jays apparently looking at Carlos Pena. Lol Jays will lead the league in hour again this year and be last in avg again if this happens. It'd be better than Lind playing first that's for sure. Their lineup would be a home run machine.

[SammyG]

lol @ the divorce shit going on with the Dodgers. God damn. We also signed Tony Gwynn Jr..... Thanks a lot Colletti!

[Hanso Amore]

Tony Gwynn Junior is the second best baseball player at all his family events. Imagine being a pro and not even being the best player at your dinner table.

[Hanso Amore]

that can be said for alot of 2nd generation players. jsut was crazy to think about. Liuke you do this amazing feat but am still 2nd fiddle.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Still better than being Cooper Manning

[Aguakate]

that can be said for alot of 2nd generation players. jsut was crazy to think about. Liuke you do this amazing feat but am still 2nd fiddle.

All of 'em except Bonds and Griffey Jr.

[ClockShot]

Carlos Pena agrees to a deal with the Cubs. 1-year, $10 mil.

Matt Diaz ends up with the Pirates with a 2-year deal.

[YOUR Hero]

Jays trade Shawn Marcum to the Brewers for 2b Brett Lawrie their top prospect.
AA is the best young up and coming GM in baseball.

I'm not really a fan of this move, tbh.

I know he's forward thinking and all, but Marcum is worth more than a prospect.

[YOUR Hero]

I'm not entirely sure what the problem is. Sounds like they withdrew the money from that fund before anybody was aware that there was a Ponzi scheme going on. How could they get sued for that?

Guess that means anybody who happened to make money and withdrew early can get sued despite not doing anything wrong.

There are always thoughts of insider information when this type of thing happens. It's big time illegal. That stuff is always investigated.

[YOUR Hero]

Derek Jeter admits he was angry with Yankees

TAMPA, Fla. (AP)—Derek Jeter (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5406/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5406/news) can admit it now: He was definitely getting steamed at the New York Yankees (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/nyy/).

While Jeter tried to keep talks quiet as the sides negotiated, the Yankees went public with suggestions his increasing age and decreased numbers should result in a pay cut.
At one point, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said the 36-year-old shortstop should explore other options if he was dissatisfied with New York’s offer.

“I was pretty angry about it, and I let that be known,” Jeter said Tuesday after finalizing a $51 million, three-year contract that cut his salary. “I was angry about it because I was the one that said I didn’t want to do it. I said I was the one that wasn’t going to do it.”

[...] http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AlJvKfnVbWBaGIZe9kqJo90RvLYF?slug=ap-yankees-jeter

[Evil Vito]

There are always thoughts of insider information when this type of thing happens. It's big time illegal. That stuff is always investigated.

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah but they had a ton of other funds that they kept in there and lost a shitload on. The decision to honestly move one of their funds cost them.

Like I said though, doesn't sound like they're the only people getting sued over this. Gonna be mad settlements.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Figures for the new Mets signings are in. Ronny Paulino got 1-year for $1.3 million, DJ Carrasco got 2 years for $2.5 million

Wasn't a big fan of the two years for Carrasco but its a very low base salary so it's not that big a deal. Need to get some lefties in the pen now.</font>

[ClockShot]

Paul Konerko back with the White Sox. 3-years, $37.5 mil. Pierzynski and Dunn took backloaded deals so they could bring him back in.

Looks like Jeff Francoeur is headed to Kansas City.

[Gertner]

I'm not really a fan of this move, tbh.

I know he's forward thinking and all, but Marcum is worth more than a prospect.

Normally I'd say yeah, but Lawrie is projected to be damn good. Trading a #2 starter who I believe has reached his ceiling for a infield prospect who can hit for avg, power and has speed is pretty good, especially with the Jays having almost no infield prospects aside from Hechivarra.

[Skippord]

I was hoping the Rockies would sign Konerko as part of their weird sign every available infielder this off season strategy.

[ClockShot]

Braves are trying to unload Kenshin Kawakami. Pirates are interested, but Atlanta wants them to eat some salary.

Dennys Reyes is on his way to Philly.

[Triple Naitch]

Big Vito, would you trade Beltran for Dice-K?

[Evil Vito]

Big Vito, would you trade Beltran for Dice-K?

<font color=goldenrod>No thanks. Matsuzaka had a great 2008 but other than that he's been shit and he's under contract for 2 years at $20 million.

I'd be more open to trading Beltran for Scutaro. Beltran is a better player but Scutaro is a decent stopgap at 2B and it'd eliminate potential drama in whether or not Beltran will play RF. Plus Scutaro can play all around the infield and if he has a good year he can be brought back on an option. It'd also be another reason to send Castillo packing.

Beltran's 2011 salary is listed at $18.5 million but it's really $13 million since $5.5 million per year gets deferred. Maybe the Mets could send $5.5 million to the Red Sox to help them pay for the eventual deferrment. Scutaro's only making $5 million next year so it's a nearly even swap. Plus the Mets don't want to move Beltran unless they gain payroll flexibility for this year, which they would in my scenario.</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

Carlos Pena agrees to a deal with the Cubs. 1-year, $10 mil.

Matt Diaz ends up with the Pirates with a 2-year deal.

A bit surprised Pena signed this quickly considering there were a few teams bidding on him. If he waited until after Crawford or Lee signed, he could have potentially gained more money (and years if he wanted both).

[Hanso Amore]

Man, its wasnt but a few years back that Jeff Francoeur looked like the best rookie to hit MLB since Pujols

[ClockShot]

Rays trade Jason Bartlett to the Padres for Adam Russell and Cesar Ramos.

Braves sign George Sherrill. 1-year, $1.2 mil.

[Triple Naitch]

A bit surprised Pena signed this quickly considering there were a few teams bidding on him. If he waited until after Crawford or Lee signed, he could have potentially gained more money (and years if he wanted both).

Pena had such a bad year last season that he had to sign with someone quick on a o e year deal, improve next season, and cash in next December.

[Droford]

Os first base situation is down to Derrek Lee or Adam Laroche which sucks.

[Triple Naitch]

In that case, why don't they just put Reynolds or Scott at first and give Josh Bell one last chance?

[Droford]

Yeah...Luke "Obama wasn't born here" Scott by the way..forgot to somehow work that into a post.

Cant wait to see how that pans out.

I think they gave up on Josh Bell. They lost Wigginton so they've got to make some sort of move. Scott isn't an everyday 1B.

[Triple Naitch]

I can't see them already giving up on one of their top prospects after half a season.

[DaveWadding]

did anyone say Carl Crawford to the Red Sox? 7 years 142 million?

[weather vane]

SOOOOOOOOOO MINT... sucha sick liney

[Jeritron]

What a good week

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Ellsbury
Pedroia
Crawford
Gonzalez
Youkilis
Ortiz
Drew
Saltalamacchia
Scutaro


Lester
Bucholz
Beckett
Lackey
Matsuzaka


Jesus fucking Christ

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Jesus. Yanks are probably gonna answer this by upping their offer for Lee. Crawford was their fallback option.

If they don't get Lee - I can see them looking into Greinke. But if not they may just stick with their guns, coax Pettitte to come back, and back the truck up for Fielder or *gulp* Pujols next year.</font>

[Dragon]

Glad the Yankees didn't get him. Just don't think he's a $20M player. A lot of money for a leadoff hitter with a career .336 OBP.

Not hating on the Red Sox or anything, he's obviously a great player and makes their team better. Just that the contract might start looking bad when he loses some speed. That lineup should be absolutely ridiculous.

Once they announce that Gonzalez extension thats a $300M offseason though. So hopefully I can stop hearing Sox fans try to explain to me that they are nothing like the Yankees.

This definitely doesn't help the Yankees in getting Lee either. Angels lose their main target in Crawford so I'm guessing are going harder after Lee now.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Angels lose out on their Plan A every offseason. Teixeira, Lackey, Crawford.</font>

[Dragon]

Apparently the Red Sox were one of the mystery teams offering Lee 7 years.

Offered him 7 years at a much reduced price to up the bidding for him.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Rule 5 draft tomorrow. Usually always brings some interesting results.

Mets RHP Elvin Rodriguez is expected to be taken, possibly with the first pick. He's been clocked as high as 98 MPH but his control is horseshit so he wasn't selected to be one of the four players to protect on the 40-man roster last month.

Definitely think the Mets will grab a bullpen arm or two. No risk in doing so. Given how empty the pen currently is it's not a stretch to say that the Mets could carry a Rule 5 draftee on the roster all year.</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

Ellsbury
Pedroia
Crawford
Gonzalez
Youkilis
Ortiz
Drew
Saltalamacchia
Scutaro


Lester
Bucholz
Beckett
Lackey
Matsuzaka


Jesus fucking Christ

:drool:

[Aguakate]

Should be an interesting 2011 season in the AL East.

[Jeritron]

Glad the Yankees didn't get him. Just don't think he's a $20M player. A lot of money for a leadoff hitter with a career .336 OBP.

Not hating on the Red Sox or anything, he's obviously a great player and makes their team better. Just that the contract might start looking bad when he loses some speed. That lineup should be absolutely ridiculous.

Once they announce that Gonzalez extension thats a $300M offseason though. So hopefully I can stop hearing Sox fans try to explain to me that they are nothing like the Yankees.

This definitely doesn't help the Yankees in getting Lee either. Angels lose their main target in Crawford so I'm guessing are going harder after Lee now.


Yea because one re-building offseason is the same as every offseason. And they're also in the same division.
Signing Crawford and/or Lee is just as much a defensive move as it is a talent decision.
The Red Sox are looking to replace a lot of key players leaving. Manny has been gone 2 years now, and Ortiz doesn't have much time left.
And the Drew contract is finally expiring. They needed a power hitter and a new outfielder. I don't think Gonzalez and Crawford are as much additions as they are the cornerstones of the next 10 years of Red Sox baseball. They're both in long contracts and fill crucial roles.
Plus Youk and Pedroia aren't going anywhere. It's a pretty exciting lineup.

I'm curious to see where their budget falls in 2011, and then in 2012. I bet it will still be beneath the Mets and Phillies.

The Yankees are obviously going to go all-in for Lee now

[Jeritron]

I would really love to see the Yanks get screwed on Lee and end up with nobody. Being a diesel hater (sorry Fake and Inno, much love)

[Emperor Smeat]

Its possible they could since ESPN is saying the offer from the Yankees is 6 years at close to $140 million ($23.33 million per year) which would put him as less than CC Sabathia in cash value and about 2.5 million more than Santana on the Mets.

Problem is Lee and his agent wants $25 million a year and 7 years or at least the $150-175 million range. Angels and Red Sox were revealed to be the mystery teams offering the 7th year and the Rangers will get a decision in 2 days if they are still in the hunt (their offer is similar to Yankees).

If the Yankees lose out on Lee, Royals want players, prospects, and maybe cash just for any deal on Greinke.

[Jeritron]

The Red Sox are in on Greinke too. I'm not sure given Gonzalez and Crawford that they'd still go and land Lee or Greinke, but it would obviously please me.

[Skippord]

I don't think Greinke would want to go to New York or Boston

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Jesus. Yanks are probably gonna answer this by upping their offer for Lee. Crawford was their fallback option.

If they don't get Lee - I can see them looking into Greinke. But if not they may just stick with their guns, coax Pettitte to come back, and back the truck up for Fielder or *gulp* Pujols next year.

I hope not Greinke. The guy is a really great pitcher. But with New York being a huge market team and the fans expect the best from you other wise they will let you know it. With all the reporters and Tabloids and what not. I really don't think that's the best place for someone with depression/major stress issues. He'd be better off in Toronto or Baltimore or a small market team like that.

And truth be told about Crawford we all ready have Gardner he has been doing real well and is younger then him.

I think I might prefer Fielder to Pujols. Why do I think if the Yankees signed Pujols some rumor that he's on steroids or something might "Accidently" get leaked out?

[ClockShot]

Mmmmmmm. The Empire is on red alert right now.

Glad we didn't get Crawford. Not so much him going to Beantown. But then again, he was plan b if they couldn't get Werth.

Today should be interesting.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think what I love most about getting Crawford and Gonzalez is the hidden value that comes from their defense. They're both excellent in the field. Who'd have thought letting Beltre go could actually be a defensive upgrade? But it is.

Here's an interesting question Sawks fans: Carl Crawford is a wizard in left field. Ellsbury was phenomenal in 2008 but was terrible in 2009 (based on dWAR, not fielding %). Do you entertain a switch in position and try Crawford in center?

[Triple Naitch]

Crawford doesn't have the arm for center. He's said himself that he doesn't like playing there.

BTW, so mint on this offseason so far. :D

[Triple Naitch]

Once they announce that Gonzalez extension thats a $300M offseason though. So hopefully I can stop hearing Sox fans try to explain to me that they are nothing like the Yankees.



Still about $200 million less than what the Yankees spent in 2008. ;)

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Mmmmmmm. The Empire is on red alert right now.

Glad we didn't get Crawford. Not so much him going to Beantown. But then again, he was plan b if they couldn't get Werth.

Today should be interesting.

The Yankees are in a very tight situation right now. They better get Lee by any means necessary.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Yankees have gone to 7 years on Lee. Can't see any way he turns that down. Knew the Yanks would get their Plan A guy. They always do.

Sox and Yanks could have some laughably bad contracts on their hands in a few years though. They make money hand over fist though so it really won't matter.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The fuck? This Rule 5 draft goes ridiculously fast. I leave for 10 minutes and find the Mets already made 2 picks - 2B Brad Emaus from the Blue Jays and RHP Pedro Beato from the Orioles</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Oh, no wonder it went by fast - most teams skipped.

PIT: Josh Rodriguez, SS, Columbus (CLE)
SEA: Jose Flores, RHP, Columbus (CLE)
ARI: Joe Paterson, LHP, Fresno (SF)
BAL: Adrian Rosario, RHP, Nashville (MIL)
KC: Nathan Adcock, RHP, Indianapolis (PIT)
WAS: Elvin Ramirez, RHP, Buffalo (NYM)
CLE: No pick
CHC: Mason Tobin, RHP, Salt Lake (LAA)
HOU: Aneury Rodriguez, RHP, Durham (TB)
MIL: Patrick Egan, RHP, Norfolk (BAL)
NYM: Bradley Emaus, 2B, Las Vegas (TOR)
FLA: Pass
LAD: Pass
LAA: No pick
OAK: Pass
DET: No pick
COL: Pass
TOR: Pass
STL: Pass
CWS: Pass
BOS: Pass
SD: George Kontos, RHP, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (NYY)
TEX: Pass
CIN: Pass
ATL: Pass
SF: Pass
MIN: Scott Diamond, LHP, Gwinnett (ATL)
NYY: Robert Fish, LHP, Salt Lake (LAA)
TB: Cesar Cabral, LHP, Pawtucket (BOS)
PHI: Michael Martinez, IF, Syracuse (WAS)</font>

[Innovator]

Fuck that was a whammy. I don't see Crawford being able to compete at the level he's at at the end of the contract, but it's gonna be hell for the first couple years. The Monster should serve him well.

Pettite is pushing for the Yanks to get Lee.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Fuck that was a whammy. I don't see Crawford being able to compete at the level he's at at the end of the contract, but it's gonna be hell for the first couple years. The Monster should serve him well.

Pettite is pushing for the Yanks to get Lee.

Am I the only one who is more scared of A-Gon on the Red Sox then Crawford?

[YOUR Hero]

....meanwhile the WSOX resigned Konerko for 3 years.

[McLegend]

I do not like this off season.

[Triple Naitch]

Legend85, do you feel the Phillies aren't completely confident in Domonic Brown yet?

[McLegend]

Yes I do. This leaving winterball because he was tired isn't good to hear.

[Triple Naitch]

Yeah and they need to act fast or else they will be shit out of luck on adequate right handed hitting outfielders.

[Innovator]

Am I the only one who is more scared of A-Gon on the Red Sox then Crawford?

Oh I am more scared of Gonzalez, for the next couple years though I can see Crawford continue to be a pain in the ass, taken he doesn't try to tag up on Gholston again.

[Loose Cannon]

Sign it Clifton Phifer

[Loose Cannon]

between CC and LEE, it would be over 300 mil

[Innovator]

DO IT CLIFF, DO IT NOW....please?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Heh. With the addition of Pedro Beato via the Rule 5 draft, the Mets now have two players who were born on 10/27/86 (the other being Jon Niese). That is also the same day the Mets won the World Series.

Wonder what other interesting baseball birthdays there are.</font>

[Dragon]

Crazy to think 3 or 4 years ago Lee was in the minors because he forgot how to pitch and now he's probably gonna be getting the largest contract for a pitcher ever. This offseason has been the perfect storm for him with how everything has played out.

[Splaya]

If the Yankees don't get Lee, is the winter meetings a bust for them?

[Aguakate]

I think so. They signed Jeter and Rivera.

[ClockShot]

O's aquire J.J. Hardy, Brendan Harris, and $500k from Twins for relivers Jim Hoey and Brett Jacobson.

Melky Cabrera to the Royals. 1-year, $1.25 mil.

Miguel Olivio goes to the Mariners. 2-years, $7 mil.

[SammyG]

AWWWWWWW

http://www.vinscullyismyhomeboy.com/2010/12/wedding-album-clayton-ellen.html

[ClockShot]

Red Sox are the frontrunners for Russell Martin.

Now I think Epstein is trying to piss off us Yankee fans.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yankees 7 year offer for Lee is actually worth less money per year than the 6-year deal and it is rumored the Rangers were able to match the original offer for Lee in cash amount. If the Rangers can match a 7th year, it might force the Yankees to pay more for Lee to boost him to a $23.33 - $25 million per year since now the Angels officially joined the bidding.

Owners furious at both Yankees and Red Sox and might actually change the luxury tax to a lower threshold and higher rates. Most of the bigger market owners are less furious since they know both teams can afford to toss the cash but worry about another split occurring where its Yankees/ Red Sox, then rest of big markets, then everyone else.

[Jeritron]

<font color=goldenrod>

Sox and Yanks could have some laughably bad contracts on their hands in a few years though. They make money hand over fist though so it really won't matter.</font>


You're a Mets fan dude

[Jeritron]

By that I mean The Mets are the kings of laughably bad contracts on their hands, but having lots of money to get away with it.

[Jeritron]

If the Red Sox had "paid up" when everyone expected it, they'd have Bay in left and Texiera at first.
Now it's Crawford and Gonzalez.

Perhaps a couple frustrating offseasons and "rebuilding years" were worth it. I'm ecstatic about these changes, and how long they'll last.

[Jeritron]

Initially, I really wasn't a fan of signing Crawford, because I wanted a big bat. I didn't think there was a chance of them getting both.
I was dead set on landing A-Gon or an analagous power hitter, and thought Crawford would be underwhelming under the assumption that they'd only make one major acquisition.
Now I dig it. But I think seeing what A-Gon does is attraction A.

[Evil Vito]

By that I mean The Mets are the kings of laughably bad contracts on their hands, but having lots of money to get away with it.

<font color=goldenrod>Just saying, paying $22 million a year for an outfielder who relies on speed or a pitcher who is pushing 40 might look bad down the line.

I'm excited about the prospect of clearing off the Mets' bad contracts, but I don't expect Alderson to blow all $55 million next offseason. Especially since the free agent class next year is godawful outside of Pujols and Fielder.

I think Alderson's actually gonna try and use the Red Sox' recent model of success, especially when it comes to having a farm system that is so stacked that it allows them to make a big trade when necessary. It all starts with the farm.</font>

[Aguakate]

The Yankees absolutely have to get Cliff Lee. If they lose out on him, you can officially say the Yankees are not the "empire" anymore. The mystique about "being a Yankee" isn't the same as it used to be, anyway.

[Droford]

O's aquire J.J. Hardy, Brendan Harris, and $500k from Twins for relivers Jim Hoey and Brett Jacobson.

Melky Cabrera to the Royals. 1-year, $1.25 mil.

Miguel Olivio goes to the Mariners. 2-years, $7 mil.

JJ Hardy had a couple of good years in Milwaukee, maybe he'll rebound after a couple of off years.

[Aguakate]

I have a good feeling about the Orioles in 2011. I'm not saying they'll go to the playoffs and all, but I do believe it's possible for them to win 80+ games.

[Droford]

They still need a 1B, a SP and a closer.

[Aguakate]

Buck Showalter's their manager, he'll have them ready.

The last 3 teams Showalter has managed, have gone to the World Series after he manages them a couple seasons and leaves. He left the Yankees, and they went to the World Series in '96 (and won). Then he managed the D'backs, left, and they went to the Series in 2001 (and won). And then he managed the Rangers, left, and they just went to the Series this year. The guy knows what he does. It can't be all a coincidence.

[Dragon]

Not sure the fact that every team he leaves go to the WS is a good thing or something to praise him for.

[Aguakate]

Not sure the fact that every team he leaves go to the WS is a good thing or something to praise him for.

He must do something right. He lays the groundwork, so to speak. Only thing is, he never gets to enjoy first-hand the fruits of his labor. He takes the team when it's down, rebuilds it, teaches the fundamentals of playing baseball.

[Jeritron]

<font color=goldenrod>Just saying, paying $22 million a year for an outfielder who relies on speed or a pitcher who is pushing 40 might look bad down the line.

I'm excited about the prospect of clearing off the Mets' bad contracts, but I don't expect Alderson to blow all $55 million next offseason. Especially since the free agent class next year is godawful outside of Pujols and Fielder.

I think Alderson's actually gonna try and use the Red Sox' recent model of success, especially when it comes to having a farm system that is so stacked that it allows them to make a big trade when necessary. It all starts with the farm.</font>

Crawford is a bit overpaid but not grossly. But it's also a price he was going to get given what Werth got from the Nats.
Contract amounts are always respective to what is going in at the time. That's just where the prices are at for a hot free agent. You can't compare it to contracts from the past.

It's also not like they're putting all their eggs in his basket. He's just one outfielder.

The Red Sox have a lot of money but they are usually pretty smart with it. It's a major, longterm acquisition.

Like you said, the free agent crop in the next few years looks bad. The Red Sox are in desperate need of reloading. These are more replacements than additions.
Manny is gone, which left a huge hole. So that's where A-Gon's bat comes in.
Varitek, Ortiz, JD Drew and others are on their way out.
Stocking up to make sure they have some major bats, an outfield, and a catcher is important.
It also keeps players away from other teams, namely the Yankees.
On the whole I think it's all great moves.

Also, since when was 32 years old "pushing 40"? I assume you're talking about Cliff Lee.
32 is a decent age for a pitcher, especially one that isn't reliant on flamethrowing. His best years are likely ahead of him. And a 7 year deal lands him at 39 years old when it's expired.

[Aguakate]

Adding Crawford and Gonzalez to a lineup that already has Youkilis, Drew, Ortiz, and Pedroia could very well make for a line-up that'll be even better than the one the Red Sox had when Manny was in Boston.

[Evil Vito]

Also, since when was 32 years old "pushing 40"? I assume you're talking about Cliff Lee.
32 is a decent age for a pitcher, especially one that isn't reliant on flamethrowing. His best years are likely ahead of him. And a 7 year deal lands him at 39 years old when it's expired.

<font color=goldenrod>I was referring to the end of the deal when he'll be making $22 million or so in his late 30's. It's crazy money to invest especially since they have Sabathia for 5 more years also at similar money.</font>

[McLegend]

It's outrageous money for Cliff Lee, but I agree that it is something they have to do.

[Aguakate]

Hopefully they'll have him completely checked out, cause his back last year was an issue. Maybe it was just something that won't be an issue for the rest of his career, but better safe than sorry. The last thing the Yankees want is to get caught up in the whole "we have to sign Cliff Lee" deal, get him signed, and then have him have problems with injuries for most of the contract.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Reds extend Jay Bruce for 6 years, $51 million</font>

[DaveWadding]

The Justin Upton special. Nice one for Cincy. :y:

[Jeritron]

It's outrageous money for Cliff Lee, but I agree that it is something they have to do.

Yea some of these decisions go beyond the field too. Signing A-Gon and Crawford was definitely a talent decision to boost the on-field product, but there's also no question that the Red Sox were looking to rejuvinate the brand. And it pisses off the Yanks, just like getting Texiera or A-Rod did the Sox.

And the Yankees will probably give Lee way more now so that they don't go down without a response.
That's sort of just how these things work. There's pride involved, and a fanbase.

By the time Cliff Lee is older, his contract probably won't even be huge anymore.
These things grow exponentially every year.
If Pujols goes on the market next year he's making over 200 mill.

[Dragon]

Pujols on the market should be interesting next year with three of the bigger teams in the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies out of it.

No doubt he'll get his money no matter what but I'm definitely curious how having 3 of the highest spenders out of it will be.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Just saying, paying $22 million a year for an outfielder who relies on speed or a pitcher who is pushing 40 might look bad down the line.

I'm excited about the prospect of clearing off the Mets' bad contracts, but I don't expect Alderson to blow all $55 million next offseason. Especially since the free agent class next year is godawful outside of Pujols and Fielder.

I think Alderson's actually gonna try and use the Red Sox' recent model of success, especially when it comes to having a farm system that is so stacked that it allows them to make a big trade when necessary. It all starts with the farm.

I wouldn't say all that I think Nick Swisher is a free agent next year and he's been doing real good for us. I wish the Yankees would just sign Cliff Lee all ready. I am starting to get extremely worried. Would you mind taking another look at the 2012 free agents? I know they are not all gonna be free agents but at least half of these guys are really good.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/03/2012-mlb-free-agents.html

I admit that it's not the best but if you look through there it's not all god awful. The catching free agents is pretty god awful but other then that it's not so bad.

[dablackguy]

The Yankees absolutely have to get Cliff Lee. If they lose out on him, you can officially say the Yankees are not the "empire" anymore. The mystique about "being a Yankee" isn't the same as it used to be, anyway.

This. How quickly people forget that the Yankees had to overpay Sabathia to come here, which is normal for the Yankees but overpay in the we know we have the best offer but here's more money please come here sense as well as give him an opt out clause

[Innovator]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/12/340x_9e5.jpg

Is Joba trying out for Al Borland?

[Jeritron]

He's a Binford tool no doubt

[Evil Vito]

I wouldn't say all that I think Nick Swisher is a free agent next year and he's been doing real good for us. I wish the Yankees would just sign Cliff Lee all ready. I am starting to get extremely worried. Would you mind taking another look at the 2012 free agents? I know they are not all gonna be free agents but at least half of these guys are really good.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/03/2012-mlb-free-agents.html

I admit that it's not the best but if you look through there it's not all god awful. The catching free agents is pretty god awful but other then that it's not so bad.

<font color=goldenrod>Half of those guys are really good? Are we reading the same list?</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>To be honest, I'm worried about the Mets' ability to re-sign Reyes next year if he goes back to 2008 form. When Reyes is on he and Crawford are extremely similar. Add that to the fact that he's a shortstop and the price could be huge. Alderson doesn't want to spend the money all in one place so it's entirely possible he leaves. :(

Of course, if the Mets are out of it at the deadline and Reyes is having a great year, trading him is a very real possibility.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Reds extend Jay Bruce for 6 years, $51 million

Love this. Fantastic contract. Also have a club option for a 7th year @ $12 million.

[Aguakate]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/12/340x_9e5.jpg

Is Joba trying out for Al Borland?

He looks like "The Enforcer" Arn Anderson.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Scott Downs to the Angels. 3 years, $15 million. They will surrender a first round pick to the Blue Jays as a result.</font>

[ClockShot]

Scott Downs to the Angels. 3 years, $15 million. They will surrender a first round pick to the Blue Jays as a result.

Moreno had to do something. I guess going after the best reliever out there is one way to calm your fanbase.

[ClockShot]

Apparently, there seems to be a hiccup to the Jason Bartlett trade. Rays are getting second medical opinions on the 1 or both of the 2 minor leaguers they recieved from the Padres.

Could the Mike Lowell debacle all over again.

[Aguakate]

I wonder why many of the big free agents don't wanna play for the Angels.

[Emperor Smeat]

The Lee sweepstakes down to just the Rangers and Yankees since everyone else pulled out.

As of right now, Yankees offering 7 years and around $140 million while Rangers offering 6 years but almost matching the $140 million on their main bid. If one of the Texas owners decides to open up the check book to give more millions, Lee joins the Rangers without a doubt since Lee isn't upset at the deal having 1 year less.

Right now its up to Texas to decide to offer more money since Lee is leaning towards the Rangers while Yankees not increasing their money offer beyond $140-$150 million.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Lee's gonna look like a huge dickhead if he declines the Rangers' deal when they are offering pretty much the same amount of money for one less guaranteed year. Especially after that "6 years will keep me in Texas" shit</font>

[Dragon]

Are you sure about the $140 figure from the Yankees? I've read a couple times that they were offering the same deal they did CC - 7 years and $161M.

Although that would make more sense on why this is dragging out. Unless he really doesn't want to be in NY can't imagine he passes up $20M.

The longer this drags out the better chance I think he goes to Texas.

[Aguakate]

I don't think that in his heart of hearts, Cliff Lee WANTS to go to New York. I just don't get that vibe from everything I've read.

[Emperor Smeat]

Are you sure about the $140 figure from the Yankees? I've read a couple times that they were offering the same deal they did CC - 7 years and $161M.

Although that would make more sense on why this is dragging out. Unless he really doesn't want to be in NY can't imagine he passes up $20M.

The longer this drags out the better chance I think he goes to Texas.

The $140-$150 was the last confirmed amount but ESPN did say the Yankees had talks about pushing it higher since the Rangers supposedly matched or offered more per year.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Half of those guys are really good? Are we reading the same list?

Let's see Jonathon Papelbon: He's still a good closer he is just going through a rough time.

Nick Swisher he has been doing real well on the Yankees.

Robinson Cano : See Nick Swisher.

Prince Fielder: No question

Albert Pujols: No question

Joel Zumaya: He's a very good reliever. But, the problem is he is also very injury prone.

Grady Sizemore: I still think he's a very good Center Fielder.

Jonathon Broxton: I think he's doing quite good as closer for the Dodgers.

Adrian Gonzales: Real good first baseman but is probably just months away from getting a extension by the Red Sox.

Okay maybe not half the list but that's a good 9 people who are real good.







I am really starting to worry the Yankees are in such a corner that we need Cliff Lee. I don't wanna see how our season will be without some other big pitcher. With AJ Burnett maybe or maybe not pitching better next year and Andy maybe retiring.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You left off Rollins who should still make bank regardless of if he's hurt or has a crummy season this year.
Rickie Weeks will probably get big money because of position scarcity.
Strong possibility that the Reds don't exercise Bradon Phillips' option, which makes him a huge fish.
Aramis Ramirez is a darkhorse.
Jose Bautista is gonna get paid. We all know it.
Michael Cuddyer is criminally underrated.
David Dejesus is also a solid ballplayer who is always under the radar.
Cody Ross and Jason Kubel are nice pieces who can occasionally carry the load.
Josh Willingham is a guy who could be great but never will, but is still a nice addition.
Mark Buerhle is indestructible. 10 straight seasons of 10+ wins and 200+ innings and he's only 33.


I dunno it seems like there's a ton of hidden gems in this next FA class. There are a lot of guys that every team can go after, not just the rich pricks. And I like those classes way more.

[VonErichLives]

I love that after 2 huge moves the Red Sox offered Lee a "low-ball" 7yr deal, but because he wants a 7 it forced the yankees to add a 7th year and spend more.

If everyone is healthy love the sox lineup next year... and they already have good pitching, most of them just had an off year last year at the same time. if some of them bounce back it will be a great year!

[Hardkore Kidd J]

I love that after 2 huge moves the Red Sox offered Lee a "low-ball" 7yr deal, but because he wants a 7 it forced the yankees to add a 7th year and spend more.

If everyone is healthy love the sox lineup next year... and they already have good pitching, most of them just had an off year last year at the same time. if some of them bounce back it will be a great year!

The pitching had a off year? I thought it was mostly the hitting that was off. They do need a reliever or 2 then that team would scare the fucking shit out of me.

[Triple Naitch]

Both killed the team last year.

[Aguakate]

Both killed the team last year.

And the injuries.

[YOUR Hero]

Read on an Angel's website that their #1 pick is protected(?) so the Jays won't get but a sandwich pick for Downs. Downs is money. He had real good years in T.O.

[SammyG]

Broxton doing good as our closer? Fuuuuck that. I do not want him to be our closer next year.

[VonErichLives]

The pitching had a off year? I thought it was mostly the hitting that was off. They do need a reliever or 2 then that team would scare the fucking shit out of me.

injuries killed the hitting.

Pitching, Beckett, Dice-K, Pappelbon and you might even say Lester or Lackey performed sub-par then expected.

[YOUR Hero]

The Boston Red Sox (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/bos/) made an offer to New York Yankees (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/nyy/) closer Mariano Rivera (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5400/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5400/news) this offseason that he then leveraged into a two-year, $30 million deal with the Yanks. WEEI reports that the Red Sox didn't initiate the talks (http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2010/12/12/sources-mariano-rivera-initiated-contact-with-red-sox/). Instead, it was folks on Rivera's side of the table that came to the archrival Red Sox to talk about a potential deal for the free agent.
The site also notes that the Red Sox never intended to non-tender current closer Jonathan Papelbon (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7614/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7614/news), even if Rivera had signed with the team, since he was worth a good deal whether he was in the bullpen or he earned draft picks for the team if he signed elsewhere.

[YOUR Hero]

Also read this a.m. that the RSOX are looking hard at Fuentes

[ClockShot]

Nationals are out of the Cliff Lee sweepstakes. However, a mystery team is in play. Unless Lee's agent is just screwing around with both sides, then it's down to the Yankees and Rangers.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Nationals are out of the Cliff Lee sweepstakes. However, a mystery team is in play. Unless Lee's agent is just screwing around with both sides, then it's down to the Yankees and Rangers.

Yup from what I heard they are after another Lee now.......Derek Lee. And it looks like Matsui may be close to being on the A'S.

[Loose Cannon]

it's all good, A-Rod gave Cliff Lee's wife a call over the weekend. we're set

[Innovator]

it's all good, A-Rod gave Cliff Lee's wife a call over the weekend. we're set

oh no

[Aguakate]

Nationals are out of the Cliff Lee sweepstakes. However, a mystery team is in play. Unless Lee's agent is just screwing around with both sides, then it's down to the Yankees and Rangers.

It's probably the Angels.

This "Cliff Lee Saga" has a certain feel that tells you that a mystery team can come out of nowhere and sign him, leaving the Yankees and Rangers dumbfounded.

[Skippord]

so A-Rod is going to try and bang Cliff Lee's wife if he goes to the Yankees?

[Emperor Smeat]

According to ESPN, the average salary last season in the MLB managed to top $3 million for the first time ever over the course of an entire season.

ESPN even broke down the positions by average and the most expensive position is 1B at $9.5 million with a bullpen pitcher being worth $2.5 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5915468


Meanwhile, Jays and Nationals are the leading teams to get Greinke with the Brewers being the 3rd team but their problem is lack of quality players the Royals would ask in a trade.

[Loose Cannon]

I wonder if Greinke is going to wait until Lee signs. Because you have to think that whichever team does not sign Lee is going to make an offer to Greinke

[DaveWadding]

I bet you the Brewers are wishing they didnt trade Lawrie for Shawn Marcum right now.

[screech]

I wonder if Greinke is going to wait until Lee signs. Because you have to think that whichever team does not sign Lee is going to make an offer to Greinke

Was thinking the same thing. It'd be smart of him to wait for Lee to sign.

[Loose Cannon]

I think he'd be terrible in NY though. He's got anxiety issues or something I think

[ClockShot]

HazMat to the A's.

COME BACK TO NEW YORK! :'(

[ClockShot]

Ken Rosenthal says the Phillies are the mystery team in on the Cliff Lee sweepstakes.

[McLegend]

I kind of had a feeling they were.

[Triple Naitch]

A lot of writers are saying the Phils are the favorites now for Lee. What are they offering that the Rangers and Yankees can't compete with? Supposedly he loved playing in Philly but I doubt he would leave $50 million on the table for that sole reason.

[McLegend]

I love Philadelphia, but I wouldn't leave 50 million on the table for it.

[Dragon]

Yeah, seems like everyone thinks Philly is the favorite now.

And apparently they're only offering 4-5 years. He must really love the city if he plans on leaving 50-70M on the table.

Rotation would be insane for them though - Halladay-Lee-Oswalt-Hamels-Whoever

[McLegend]

No right handed hitting though :(

[McLegend]

The Union won't let him leave 50-70 million on the table. That can't happen.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Phillies have clinched the division if they get Lee. No question.

They already were the favorites but not even the Braves could stack up with the Phillies if they had THAT rotation.</font>

[MVP]

Phillies agree to sign Cliff Lee for five years.

I find it surprising since he had two seven year deals offered to him, but what a rotation with him, Doc, Oswalt, and Hamels.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Wow. The Phillies just won the NL. Halladay AND Lee in a playoff series? No fucking way.</font>

[McLegend]

Where do you see this at?

[Evil Vito]

http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/12/cliff_lee_is_going_to_philadel.html

<font color=goldenrod>He's reputable.

He pulled a LeBron. He knows the Phils will be in the playoffs - and that if he joined Halladay, Oswalt, and Hamels it'd be one of the best rotations ever, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs. They are immediately the World Series favorites if you ask me. Pitching wins titles.</font>

[McLegend]

I see it on espn on the sidebar thing now.

[McLegend]

O shit!!!! I didn't see this one coming boys

[Triple Naitch]

Is what he's doing just as bad as LeBron?

[Splaya]

Wow.

Someone go make me a Phillies 2011 World Series Champions T-shirt

[Evil Vito]

Is what he's doing just as bad as LeBron?

<font color=goldenrod>Not as bad since there's no TV special. But if the news comes out that the Rangers offered 6 years (which he said would make him come back) at way more than the Phils' offer, he def just gave Texas the big screw.</font>

[Boomer]

Ugh.

[FakeLaser]

Holy fucking hell

[Triple Naitch]

Hot shit, btw. Phils should have the best rotation since the Orioles in the late 70s-early 80s. [/Droford, making everything have to do with the Orioles]

[FakeLaser]

Halladay/Lee/Oswalt/Hamels is the sickest shit ever

[McLegend]

http://blogs.courierpostonline.com/phillies/files/2009/10/WS1LEESMILESbehindbackcatchUSATDAY-500x332.jpg

HE'S BACK

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>There is absolutely no logical argument that can be made that the Phillies won't win the division next year. Unless they suffer injuries like crazy, that pitching will carry them.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Good thing I didn't expect the Mets to begin being relevant again until 2013 or so. By then most of the Phillies' players will be old and hopefully heavily declined.

Ugh.</font>

[McLegend]

How dare these people

http://blog.nj.com/yankees_main/2009/07/large_yankees-new-york-fans-707.jpg

insult the beautiful Mrs. Lee. You get what you deserve.

[McLegend]

And Phillies fans deserve this

http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/stone/clifflee.jpg

[glanville6]

phuckin phillies

[Skippord]

I'm still a little worried about the Phillies fifth starter, maybe they should trade for Greinke

[McLegend]

http://blogs.courierpostonline.com/phillies/files/2009/10/phillies-484x500.jpg

THIS GUY

[McLegend]

I'm still a little worried about the Phillies fifth starter, maybe they should trade for Greinke

He will be welcomed with open arms. No stress for him here. Friendly media and Fans that only encourage athletes.

No pressure here.

[Dragon]

Wow, 5 year 100M deal.

Can't believe he left 60M on the table.

[screech]

He will be welcomed with open arms. No stress for him here. Friendly media and Fans that only encourage athletes.

No pressure here.

No one pays attention to baseball here anyway. He'll be fine!

[screech]

I'm still a little worried about the Phillies fifth starter, maybe they should trade for Greinke

Just got off the phone with Ruben Amaro. I am going to be the Phillies fifth starter. No more worrying!

[Dragon]

Guess its 5 years 115M.

[McLegend]

Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee are on the same team.

How bout that?!!!?

[McLegend]

Guess its 5 years 115M.

Dude don't worry about it. Carl Pavano is still avaible.

[Dragon]

I fully expect Cashman to be on his way to Texas begging Andy Pettitte to come back right now.

[YOUR Hero]

Lee is Werth it.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>If the Mets had signed Cliff Lee to a similar deal, his arm would have blown out by now.</font>

:(

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yankees fans - this is how it feels when you lose out on your top target.

Now you know why everyone else hates your team.</font> :(

[Emperor Smeat]

Shocked he didn't take the Texas offer since it gave him the money value he wanted.

He probably saw it would have been easier to go back to the WS with a NL team and adding him on the already good Phillies rotation makes their pitching even more tougher to beat now,

I also wouldn't be surprised if he went against the Yankees offer once Cashman told him no more offers would be made and considered how his wife was treated last time in NY.

[Splaya]

Three Words: Fuck the Yankees

[Aguakate]

This "Cliff Lee Saga" has a certain feel that tells you that a mystery team can come out of nowhere and sign him, leaving the Yankees and Rangers dumbfounded.

Freaking called it. I knew it. He was dragging it on and on, which made it possible for a team to come in out of nowhere and steal him.

Halladay, Lee and Oswalt on the same team...Hamels as well...unbelievable.

This goes to show, like I said earlier, that the Yankees no longer have that "magic" they used to back in the day...before, every free agent wanted to be a Yankee, the organization wouldn't have to do too much in order to persuade free agents to go to New York and have the "privilege" of wearing the pinstripes...not so anymore...they've lost the "mystique".

[Hardkore Kidd J]

I hate Cliff fucking Lee so much now. Why did it have to be the Phillies? Out of all the teams in the world why, the Phillies? I would have preferred Cliff Lee on the Red Sox. Now, what are the Yankees gonna do? Obviously we can't go into the season with our pitching kinda in shambles. Cashman says Burnett had an "Off Year" But I really don't think so. I know I was against trading for Greinke from the start, but now I feel as if we don't really have a fucking choice.

[Aguakate]

Lee signing with the Phillies, Werth signing with the Nationals, Crawford going to Fenway, the Red Sox finally getting Adrian Gonzalez...this offseason has been full of surprises.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Lee signing with the Phillies, Werth signing with the Nationals, Crawford going to Fenway, the Red Sox finally getting Adrian Gonzalez...this offseason has been full of surprises.

Not really all of them. I knew deep down that the Red Sox would get Crawford or Werth or both. And once Werth went to the Nats I said to myself "This is it Carl is going to Boston" I didn't know how long but I knew Crawford was going to the Red Sox

Other then that complete surprises.

[Innovator]

Fan fucking tastic.

[Triple Naitch]

Lol this is like the trade deadline all over again.

[ClockShot]

*wakes up, turns on ESPN, hits panic button*

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[Innovator]

At least he'll in in the NL and not on Texas.

[ClockShot]

Yeah. But now you gotta think about what if Pettitte retires? We got 2 starter roles we gotta fill.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Gotta funny feeling Brandon Webb's about to get paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaid

[ClockShot]

Gotta funny feeling Brandon Webb's about to get paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaid

Nope. Injury risk.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You're right, New York needs to be more conservative with their money.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Or they could take some of that $40 million they have lying around that would've gone to Lee and Pettitte and maybe take, get this, a gamble on some guys with huge upsides.

[Triple Naitch]

They've thrown over a hundred million dollars at Hideki Irabu, Kei Igawa, A.J.Burnett, and Carl Pavano but god forbid they spend some cash on a 31 year old former Cy Young winner.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

I want Brandon Webb. He's a risk but a risk I'd be willing to take. Either that or see if maybe Garza, Floyd, Buehrle, Danks, etc.etc. are willing to get in a trade. Buehrle is at his last year we might be able to trade for him.

[Triple Naitch]

Buehrle won't shave his beard.

[Innovator]

Judging from facebook, the Philly bandwagon is at capacity

[Loose Cannon]

just saw it. Actually I openend up my e-mail and saw Legend posted something on my facebook and knew :( . gutted

[Innovator]

Yeah first thing I saw this morning was legend on my facebook.

[Innovator]

doucher.

[Innovator]

I wonder if Seattle would do a Joba for King Felix trade straight up.

[YOUR Hero]

Sure they would, in fact they'd prob. take AJ over Joba.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Sure they would, in fact they'd prob. take AJ over Joba.

:lol::lol:

[McLegend]

OOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Innovator!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OssMan]

I dunno. Something is wrong with a sport when fans go crazy and brag to other fans about how a player accepted their team's offer for more money.

[McLegend]

Assman what the fuck are you talking about?

[Innovator]

Sure they would, in fact they'd prob. take AJ over Joba.

That'd be better than Christmas

[Innovator]

OOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Innovator!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whats up buddy

[ClockShot]

Not too bad of a morning. Yankees sign Russell Martin.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>They played the clip from last year of Cliff Lee basically crying during an interview upon finding out he'd been traded to the Mariners. "I was intent on spending the rest of my career in Philadelphia."

He had his mind made up all along, he was just waiting for them to make an offer.</font>

[Innovator]

Not too bad of a morning. Yankees sign Russell Martin.

Dammit, I've been refreshing the daily news and espn to see this....must get confirmation before unleashing a Jeterarian fist pump

[Loose Cannon]

can't really hate the guy for that though. in this day and age, that should be held in high regard.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah. It kills me that it's the Phillies...but I can't deny that it's a cool move on his part to fuck off the union and sign for less money to go where he really wanted to go.

Rangers fans definitely have the right to be pissed off though. Sounds like he had his sights set on Philly all along, so saying he'd definitely stay if offered 6 years was kind of a dick move since their final offer was like 6 years, $140 million or something.

He also said that he would definitely have stayed in Texas if they won the WS. Makes me wonder if he was telling the truth there.</font>

[Splaya]

The good thing is that Texas is still in good shape, it's just losing out on Lee hurts. I love how the Yankees did not get what they wanted. That makes me smile to no end. I always appreciate the opinions of LC and Innovator because they stay true to their team, but sorry guys I have a huge smile on my face after this

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing Francesa today. This is the first time in ages that the Yankees didn't get their top target.

Browsing over their message boards it seems like they feel they are entitled to get whoever they want, and for once they didn't.</font>