MLB Exhibition Games 2013 Thread

[Skippord]

I would trade the Rockies Farm System for Stanton

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I know the Marlins don't have a big fanbase or anything...but doing this to them 3 times in the last 15 years is just criminal. I don't even like the Marlins and I still say fuck Loria.</font>

[Nicky Fives]

To Blue Jays so far

John Buck
Emilio Bonifacio
Mark Buerhle
Josh Johnson
Jose Reyes

To Florida

Adeiney Hechivarrira
Yunel Escobar
Jake Marsnick
Henderson Alvarez
Justin Nicolino

my mind is officially blown.....AA finally did something.... a TRUE leadoff hitter, a SS/2B combo already familiar with each other and 2 quality starters for a headcase, an unproven but prolly decent SS, two above average prospects and a lifetime 5th starter..... I don't see how anyone can argue Toronto lost this trade.....

[Droford]

Fuck Bob Melvin

[YOUR Hero]

Toughest division in baseball. Jays made sure they'll be t least relevant. Need more pitching though. A real ace

[YOUR Hero]

I can't find anything official on this deal. anyone got a link?

[Triple Naitch]

Still needs MLB approval so nothing is official, yet.

[Gertner]

Jeff Mathis and Anthony DeScalfini also going to Miami

[The Condor]

Any chance Selig pulls the best interests of the game BS that the NBA would pull?

[Emperor Smeat]

Wow at the Marlins and what a deal for Toronto.

Would it be possible for the Marlins to get sued by the city of Miami or some sort of class-action lawsuit considering one of the stipulations in getting a brand new stadium was to not do that type of stuff anymore or at least until a few years later?

[YOUR Hero]

it sounds too good to be true, this is what scares me

[Skippord]

the Jays also have to take the curse of the monkey's paw

[Gertner]

I'm just shocked the Marlins didn't get more of the Jays top spects. or at least Arencibia instead of friggen Jeff Mathis?

[Droford]

What's the odds they dumped the salary so they could afford a-rod in a trade?

[Triple Naitch]

I'm just shocked the Marlins didn't get more of the Jays top spects. or at least Arencibia instead of friggen Jeff Mathis?

Really. Arencibia would make this deal slightly less of an abortion for Miami.

[Triple Naitch]

What's the odds they dumped the salary so they could afford a-rod in a trade?

They could afford A-Rod regardless. They were ready to sign Pujols last year in addition to all theguys they already acquired.

[Droford]

Lol imagine if pujols had signed there and they had to shop him around in a fire sale

[ClockShot]

Holy shit at that big ass trade.

Can't figure out which one it is? Another A.A. genius trade? Or Loria pushed the plunger and blew it up.........again.

[YOUR Hero]

Man

I hope this pans out and doesn't fall apart. Jose Reyes is still youns as is Johnson ad Buerle isn't very old either, only 33

[weather vane]

Jays got hosed.

[YOUR Hero]

nah

without this deal they don't contend. this is a win now move. I like it. But they need to do more.

[Innovator]

Woooo hot fucking stove!

[screech]

nah

without this deal they don't contend. this is a win now move. I like it. But they need to do more.

Think they'll go for Greinke?

[YOUR Hero]

hope not

Anibal Sanchez would be 'my choice'

Greinke is a tad overrated, not dissing him, but I do think so. Plus I think the Angels will not let anyone else swoop in for him. Only way he leaves the Angels is if he doesn't want to be there.

[YOUR Hero]

shouldn't say hope not.
But he would take away $$flexibility$$

[Triple Naitch]

Anibal is looking for $90 million. If anybody is overrated its him.

Gotta be worried about Jose Reyes playing on that turf in Toronto, given his history of leg injuries.

Marlins need to trade Stanton soon while his value is at its peak. No chance he ever signs a long term deal there now.

[screech]

$90 million for Sanchez? He pitched well down the stretch but goddamn.

[screech]

Would not be opposed to Stanton coming to Philadelphia.

[weather vane]

nah

without this deal they don't contend. this is a win now move. I like it. But they need to do more.


thanks tips

[YOUR Hero]

Marlins need to trade Stanton soon while his value is at its peak. No chance he ever signs a long term deal there now.

He basically asked imo to be traded

[YOUR Hero]

thanks tips
?

you wanna fight

[Frank Drebin]

Reyes' legs are gonna die on the turf there.

[The Condor]

Yeah, the turf kills knees. All the years in Montreal are why Vlad Guerrero looked like a wounded gazelle when he was only 33 years old. Still one of the best hitters I've ever seen, but could have had multiple 40/40 seasons if he played on natural surfaces.

[RoXer]

I would absolutely riot if I were a citizen of Miami right now

[ClockShot]

Did a little thinking about this trade last night, and it's got me wondering.

Does Bud Selig have the authority to replace an owner? I think Vito mentioned this earlier in the thread that what Jeff Loria is doing is nothing short of criminal to the fans of Miami. New stadium, a crop of stars, and he just blows it all up in nothing short of a year.

Remember when Jim Crane bought the Astros and the only way he'd get approval is if he agreed to move the team to the American League?

I'm thinking there's a good chance this trade doesn't happen.

[Ermaximus]

The Marlins management has got to be the dumbest in the MLB.

[Hanso Amore]

Did a little thinking about this trade last night, and it's got me wondering.

Does Bud Selig have the authority to replace an owner? I think Vito mentioned this earlier in the thread that what Jeff Loria is doing is nothing short of criminal to the fans of Miami. New stadium, a crop of stars, and he just blows it all up in nothing short of a year.

Remember when Jim Crane bought the Astros and the only way he'd get approval is if he agreed to move the team to the American League?

I'm thinking there's a good chance this trade doesn't happen.

There is nothing against the rules to rebuilding your team every few years.

You guys are making a big deal out of it. At least they grind up in cycles. The Pirates and Royals have just been SHIT for 20 years. Should Bud Selig come in and take those teams over?

They Traded away a bunch over aging, over paid players and are rebuilding. Nothing illegal or wrong with it.

Dont like it? Dont be a fucking marlins fan.

[Hanso Amore]

The Marlins have won 2 world series. in 15 years What about your teams? Mets? Reds? Orioles?

Maybe they should take a lesson.

[YOUR Hero]

read on one sports website a few comments that "it's because Obama won again, so companies have to trim their payroll"

LOL

[Triple Naitch]

It also doesn't help that the stadium is still empty regardless of who is on the field. Maybe if the fans looked inside themselves they would realize that they are not helping the team by not going to games.

[YOUR Hero]

well come on, many of their fans are Cuban defectors and other Latino persons, so when in th first week or so of the season, when their new manager professes an affinity to Castro, ...LOL. come on, they should have fired him right then.
Add to the fact they dismantle the team every so often. Do you remember how when they won th WS when Huzeinga (sp?) was the owner an they were having their celebration parade and the team was already being dismantled?? It's tough to invest into an organization as a fan that craps on you so much.
I really cant see an legit reason to blame the fan base. Which BTW, they did have 2.2 million fans attend. That put them middle of the pack.

[Triple Naitch]

The stadium was empty long before Ozzie was the manager. The stadium is only filled when they make the playoffs. Same goes for the Rays. People just don't go to baseball games in June in Florida.

[Frank Drebin]

The Marlins management has got to be the dumbest in the MLB.

Ever watch The Franchise on Showtime? It really shows there. The president is a little shit who is the owners son in law who sticks his nose in baseball decisions even though he knows nothing about the sport.

[Frank Drebin]

Also this: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-marlinsfinancials082410

[Ermaximus]

The Marlins have won 2 world series. in 15 years What about your teams? Mets? Reds? Orioles?

Maybe they should take a lesson.

Braves have 1 in 20....:shifty:

[Hanso Amore]

Ill allow it.

But ill be damned if I will sit by and watch Reds Fans, Pirates Fans, National fans, Rangers Fans, Mets Fans, Phillies Fans and Orioles Fans (did I get everyone?) shit on a franchise that has won more rings in my life then all of the above.

[Hanso Amore]

Well check that, I guess the Pirates and Reds did technically win in my Lifetime.

Strike them from the record.

[Hanso Amore]

And the mets. Fuck I forgot about them.

Fuck it. Everyone can eat my ass.

[Skippord]

Tigers signed Torii Hunter for 2 years and 26 million

[Evil Vito]

Mets have been hyping a big R.A. Dickey celebration special tonight coinciding with the Cy Young Award announcement. Many of notable former Mets pitchers and Dickey himself will be interviewed.

Would there be anything more typically Mets-like than to do all of this only for Dickey to lose? :o

[Emperor Smeat]

Did a little thinking about this trade last night, and it's got me wondering.

Does Bud Selig have the authority to replace an owner? I think Vito mentioned this earlier in the thread that what Jeff Loria is doing is nothing short of criminal to the fans of Miami. New stadium, a crop of stars, and he just blows it all up in nothing short of a year.

Remember when Jim Crane bought the Astros and the only way he'd get approval is if he agreed to move the team to the American League?

I'm thinking there's a good chance this trade doesn't happen.

He's already warned Loria before about pocketing all the money he gets from revenue sharing while claiming to be "poor" or a small market but can't do anything more based on the current rules.

ESPN mentioned the only thing he could do is try to veto it but probably won't because in terms of money, the trade is basically even.

[ClockShot]

Shit, Torii Hunter went to the Tigers.

Wouldn't have minded him in the outfield, but at that price, good thing we passed.

[The Condor]

Hunter? In the outfield of Comerica, in his late 30's, I don't see it working, especially with his decreasing power numbers.

[Hanso Amore]

I dunno, Torii is still a dangerous hitter with protection this year, and at this point he is a RF, and a damn solid one. Put him in the two slot in front of Cabrera and Fielder and he is going to flourish.

2 years is a good deal for the Tigers, I saw reports he wanted a 3-4 year deal somewhere.

[Hanso Amore]

Torii Hunter at 55 will be a better fielder than most current players.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>David Price wins AL Cy Young.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>DICKEY WINS!!!</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>SO happy right now. The Dick's been on the team for 3 years and he's already one of my favorite players to put on a Mets uniform.</font>

[YOUR Hero]

I heard they were trading Dickey to Toronto for John Buck

[The Condor]

Don't like the Price over Verlander pick, but I'm 100% cool with Dickey winning. Dude deserved it.

[Nicky Fives]

really want that Jays trade to go official.....

[YOUR Hero]

really want that Jays trade to go official.....

uh huh

[Arashi Kage]

I really hope that Selig doesn't block the trade to Toronto. I haven't followed the Jays since the Roger Clemens era, and it would be really cool to have all this excitement generated from the trade announcement be for real.

There was a time when the Jays were the ultra-hot ticket in town. They set MLB attendance records, I still have World Series Championship merchandise from 20 years ago. It's been sad to see the SkyDome sitting so empty for the last 10 years. Success on the field will quickly load up the band wagon and bring fans back to the game of baseball.

I've only focused on hockey for the last 10 years, it would be nice to "boycott" the NHL for a short while and get back into baseball.

[ClockShot]

Brian Fuentes calls it a career.

[Ermaximus]

And the mets. Fuck I forgot about them.

Fuck it. Everyone can eat my ass.

Damn Royals! :mad:

[Emperor Smeat]

:| Red Sox rumored to be interested in signing Jason Bay.

Problem with that was Bay somewhat hated playing in Fenway because of the Green Monster. Didn't bother to learn how to play balls off the wall well and bolted the moment his deal at the time ended (1.5 seasons with the Sox).

[Gertner]

Problem with that now is that Jason Bay sucks.

[ClockShot]

Say goodbye to the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees and say hello to the RailRiders.


http://riveraveblues.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Rail-Riders.jpg

[Hanso Amore]

yuck

[Innovator]

yikes

[ClockShot]

Yeah. Here's the backstory. About a year ago at this time, Yankees asked all their minor league affiliates (excluding Charleston and Trenton) to change their team names from Yankees to whatever. SWB so far as the only team to comply so far and they had the fans vote for the new team name.

The choices were: Blast, Black Diamond Bears, Fireflies, RailRiders, Porcupines, or Trolley Frogs

All these names got ties to SWB or Pennsylvania in one way or another. Porcupines came in 2nd place in the voting. Which is why it's in the new logo.

[RoXer]

You know who the star RailRider is right now?

Seth82

[The Condor]

Sounds like the name of a strip club

[screech]

Just read that Jay Bruce wants to add six more years to his current deal because he wants to spend his career with the Reds.

I think that's neat.

[The Condor]

Things like that make me feel that all professional might not be money grubbing tools. Granted, it is ALL about the money, but he's willing to stay in a town like The 'Natti rather than go to a glamour market.

[Damian Rey]

Posey is your NL MVP. Deserving choice. Though I would have voted for Lyin Ryan, Posey had an excellent season as well.

LETS GO TROUT!

[ClockShot]

Selig finally got the paperwork for the Blue Jays-Marlins trade and it's "under review" at the moment.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Miguel Cabrera wins. Let the stat nerds riot.</font>

[Skippord]

*cough*
bullshit
*cough*

[Damian Rey]

The worst argument is "Cabrera took his team to the playoffs". His team won 88 games in the worst division in baseball, and it took a ridiculous collapse by the ChiSox. Not to mention, the Angels won more games.

The fact that Trout finished second, despite Hamilton having the power numbers he did, is still amazing. I couldnt imagine that happening even last year.

[Emperor Smeat]

Posey as the NL MVP was a great choice considering how valuable he's become to the Giants and his comeback year being one of the best ever especially at the catcher spot. Surprised at Braun being #2 thinking the roids stigma would have at least hurt him more for this year's voting.

Not surprised at Cabrera winning the AL MVP since him getting the Triple Crown should have been enough to get the award regardless of the Tigers making the playoffs and the voters not wanting a repeat of what happened when A-Rod won it in 2003.

[ClockShot]

Padres aquire Tyson Ross and A.J. Kirby-Jones from the A's for Andy Parrino And Andrew Werner.

Braves sign Gerald Laird.

Cubs sign Dioneer Navarro.

Still no word if Selig approved the Blue Jays-Marlins mega deal.

[Dragon]

Toronto signs Melky Cabrera for two years, $16M.

[Dragon]

Some people will probably question that deal with the whole PED thing but I don't think its a terrible deal for the Jays.

I don't think he'll put up SF-Melky numbers but I don't think its crazy to expect his KC-type numbers.

[Boomer]

Some people will probably question that deal with the whole PED thing but I don't think its a terrible deal for the Jays.

I don't think he'll put up SF-Melky numbers but I don't think its crazy to expect his KC-type numbers.

They'll just have to hope they don't get Braves Melky.

[The Condor]

Or late term Yankees Melky. He was a god damn drag on that team and should have been benched at least two years earlier in favor of Brett Gardner.

[ClockShot]

I'll never forget that time he robbed ManRam of a home run when he was in pinstripes.

[The Condor]

That's the only play that comes to mind. His botch that allowed Trot Nixon to get an inside the park home run resonates with me.

[Nicky Fives]

MELK MAN RUNNIN' WILD!!!!! AA has gone batshit crazy and I love it.....

[RP]

Must be exciting to be a Blue Jay fan right now.

[ClockShot]

Ryota Igarashi goes back home to Japan. Signed a 3-year deal with the Fukuoka Softbank Hawks.

[Droford]

Must be exciting to be a Blue Jay fan right now.
The excitement will probably wear off by the end of april

[YOUR Hero]

will probably.

come on. commit to your statement or dont say it

[Gertner]

The excitement will probably wear off by the end of april

Easy there 1 hit wonder

[Emperor Smeat]

According to ESPN, the next manager for the Blue Jays is either going to be Jim Tracy (former Rockies coach) or Jim Riggleman (former Nationals coach).

[Droford]

Easy there 1 hit wonder

The o's have been to the playoffs 3 times since 1995..which is 3 more times than the blue jays..

[Damian Rey]

I think the O's are a huge fluke and that the Jays were destroyed by injuries. Jays have a better, deeper rotation as of right now, and I'd take Romero/Morrow over anything the O's can out there.

Jays' entire team is looking far more balanced and deeper than the O's.

Reyes
Bonafacio
Lawrie
Bautista
Encarnacion
Muscle Melk
Lind
Rasmus
Arencibia

How's that look,Gertie?

[Droford]

All the o's need is a 2b and a dh or 1b

[Damian Rey]

And a starting rotation. And a left fielder. I like what Hammel did,but knees can be tricky. They need more. Also wouldnt kill them to learn to take a walk. They were at the top of the league in HR, but near the bottom in runs.

[Droford]

Left field will be Nolan reimold, he missed most of last season but he had 5 he's in the 16 games he played.

The rotation will potentially be bolstered by wada coming back after missing all of last year, plus Dylan Bundy maybe..

[Frank Drebin]

All the o's need is a 2b and a dh or 1b

O's might have been one of the luckiest teams I've seen other than the 2005 White Sox in the playoffs. Goes to show what a years worth of a shutdown bullpen can get you. Lets see that again.

One run games: 29-9
Extra Inning games: 16-2
Total Run Differential: +7

[ClockShot]

Manny Acta is now in the mix for the Blue Jays manager opening.

[The Condor]

NO ONE should be interested in Manny Acta

[Gertner]

I think the O's are a huge fluke and that the Jays were destroyed by injuries. Jays have a better, deeper rotation as of right now, and I'd take Romero/Morrow over anything the O's can out there.

Jays' entire team is looking far more balanced and deeper than the O's.

Reyes
Bonafacio
Lawrie
Bautista
Encarnacion
Muscle Melk
Lind
Rasmus
Arencibia

How's that look,Gertie?

I think Izturis will get more time at 2nd base than Bonifacio

[YOUR Hero]

I see Melky or Rasmus batting #2

[YOUR Hero]

oh and btw, approve the Marlins/Jays trade already, this is getting embarrassing for baseball.

[Innovator]

Selig is too busy figuring out how to get that trade to go to Boston instead of Toronto.

[Evil Vito]

Yankees are negotiating with Scott Hairston.

It sums up the Mets pretty well that their best outfielder might leave to be the 5th outfielder on the Yankees.

[Innovator]

When you have to opportunity to platoon in right field with Andruw Jones and Raul Ibanez, YOU GOTTA DO IT

[Evil Vito]

With Bay gone, Hairston would probably start close to every day on the Mets. Can't say I'd blame him for going to a WS contender though.

[Innovator]

Forgot about Pineda for most of the season. Oh yeah Yankees were supposed to have a sure #2 starter behind CC.

[Skippord]

whatever gets those fucking Hairston's out of the National League

[Adder]

Jays, Marlin trade finally approved.

Jays are even getting cash. :cool:

[The Condor]

AL Beast

[Arashi Kage]

Word is that the Jays will announce the return of Gibbons as manager on Tuesday morning.

Hmmmmmmm...

[Gertner]

Word is that the Jays will announce the return of Gibbons as manager on Tuesday morning.

Hmmmmmmm...

Fantastic hire. Upgrade over Farrell. He's good with his bullpen and actually puts thought into his pine ups.

Plus, watching him fist fight his players will be fun,.

[YOUR Hero]

not too sure Gibbos is the right fit

eek

[Innovator]

Times like this I wish George was still around. He'd deal A-Rod, sign Hamilton & Grienke, JUST to get people talking about the Yankees instead of the Jays

[Triple Naitch]

Blue Jays went ten steps forward and now eight stps back after hiring Gibbons. The guy had a worse relationship with his players than Valentine.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

What is Toronto's deal with bringing back managers? Does anybody else in baseball do that?

I mean I guess Cito Gaston made sense because he won the titles, but Gibbons? He was just there 4 years ago. The Jays weren't terrible under him but certainly this team wants to set the bar a little higher than Hey guys let's be not terrible!

[ClockShot]

Royals sign Jeremy Guthrie. 3-years, $25 mil.

[Evil Vito]

So apparently the cheapest tickets to Mets Opening Day is $63. That's for the shitty outfield seats that obscure your view of half the field. Any seats worth a shit cost $85.

The Mets barely sold out Opening Day 2012. They've badly misread the market and can forget about selling it out next year with prices like that. I was thinking about going but at that price I just can't justify it.

Sell the team, Wilpon.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

LOL @ a ballpark built in 2009 having obstructed view seats. Are these niggas serious?

[Adder]

Seriously, obstructed views?

[Adder]

Gaston made sense, but Gibbons does not.

Maybe Selig said this is what the Jays had to do in order for this trade to go through - LOL

[Evil Vito]

LOL @ a ballpark built in 2009 having obstructed view seats. Are these niggas serious?

I don't think there's a single seat in the ballpark that allows you to see the entire field of play. It's ridiculous. The interior of the stadium is nice but the actual aesthetics of the field of play for Shea were way better.

[The Condor]

I liked Gibbons alcoholic sailor persona a few years back, but it seems like a bizarre hire at this point.

[ClockShot]

Hiroki Kuroda goes back to the Yankees. 1-year, $15 mil. with $1 mil. in incentives.

WHEW! THANK GOD!

[The Condor]

Kuroda was their second most dependable pitcher, I'm stoked to see him back.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah it's totally worth it to drop $63 to stare at a glass partition all game. It's like this all across the upper deck at Citi Field:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EcBfXMyQha4/SnbTM02UOSI/AAAAAAAADEo/gC6AJGX5DfI/s320/504a.jpg

http://beehivehairdresser.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/citi-field-obstructed-view.jpg

Who needs to see the foul lines? Nothing happens there.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTNt83WVFU1z_Ntm0EWzEIZf9iei622BBRA-4YcLJanBFTz1xA6SHDPf53U

And yeah, I didn't need to see left field anyway.</font>

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/91651/Citi_Field_Left_Field_View.jpg

[Droford]

LOL @ a ballpark built in 2009 having obstructed view seats. Are these niggas serious?

Yankee stadium has em too out in cf

[Droford]

Oh yeah, I'm kinda sad the o's traded andino to Seattle for trayvon martin..

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah it's totally worth it to drop $63 to stare at a glass partition all game. It's like this all across the upper deck at Citi Field:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EcBfXMyQha4/SnbTM02UOSI/AAAAAAAADEo/gC6AJGX5DfI/s320/504a.jpg


Any particular reason why they built it like that?

Some sort of anti-drunk device to prevent people from falling over or some sort of current Nouveau design that is the craze right now with new stadiums?

[Frank Drebin]

I think they just put it up when Josh Hamiton is in town

[screech]

Just realized Keith has not posted since the Rays got eliminated.

hmmmmm

[Evil Vito]

Any particular reason why they built it like that?

Some sort of anti-drunk device to prevent people from falling over or some sort of current Nouveau design that is the craze right now with new stadiums?

<font color=goldenrod>No idea, but it's awful. I find myself just walking around the stadium and catching the game from various angles on the concourse.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>But yeah the center field bleachers at New Yankee Stadium are hilariously bad too:</font>

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3532/3929986339_3c6a56a41c.jpg

[Innovator]

<font color=goldenrod>But yeah the center field bleachers at New Yankee Stadium are hilariously bad too:</font>

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3532/3929986339_3c6a56a41c.jpg

Counterpoint: If you're sitting there, you're there to drink.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's cool. You can get the full experience of watching a baseball game on tv, but you get to spend $200 on tickets and beer!

[Gertner]

Blue Jays went ten steps forward and now eight stps back after hiring Gibbons. The guy had a worse relationship with his players than Valentine.

Who else would have you hired? Dave Martinez maybe? Riggleman and Tracey are garbage. Gibbons did a good job, he just had a totally inept GM signing marginal players to retarded contracts.

[Triple Naitch]

I would have hired Sandy Alomar Jr.

[Gertner]

Yeah was kinda surprised with the amount of Latins on the Jays that he didn't get more of a look. That being said, I'm not at all unhappy with the hire of Gibbons.

[Triple Naitch]

I also would have herd anybody who didn't get their ass beat by Ted Lilly.

[Gertner]

He probably got lost in Ted Lilly's beautiful eyes.

[YOUR Hero]

Jays should go after Stanton while they're at it

[ClockShot]

Jonny Gomes to the Red Sox. 2-years, $10 mil.

[The Condor]

Ah, Boston needed another mediocre outfielder. Just like the Yankees.

[Emperor Smeat]

$5 million a year seems a bit high for a guy who's just for depth and probably not a starter.

Then again they've been plagued with injuries at the OF spot for the past few years in a row that he's probably going to play a lot if the trend continues.

[owenbrown]

lolbluejays

[ClockShot]

$5 million a year seems a bit high for a guy who's just for depth and probably not a starter.

Then again they've been plagued with injuries at the OF spot for the past few years in a row that he's probably going to play a lot if the trend continues.

Double from what Oakland offered him back in September from what I read.

[Frank Drebin]

.....and the Jays get Caesar Izturis??? Might as well just hand them the pennant.

[Emperor Smeat]

Mark Buehrle spoke out against the Marlins saying management is full of liars considering he was promised the same stuff they told the taxpayers and then got tossed in favor of shredding the payroll as soon as possible.

The ironic thing was himself and his agent were well aware of the Marlins history of doing stuff like that since they refused to give him and everyone else a no-trade clause but signed anyways because of Guillen and all the promises.

[YOUR Hero]

Always liked Buerle, hope he doesn't whine it up and ask to be traded from the Jays

[Emperor Smeat]

Red Sox and Mariners appear to be the only teams interested in Mike Napoli at the moment with Napoli wanting 4 years.

Mariners willing to offer the extra year and money while the Red Sox are hesitant on the 4th year but might add more money to make it up. He would be willing to play as a 1B or DH if he ends up signing with the Red Sox though.

[The Condor]

Anyone who considers themselves a power hitter would be best to avoid Seattle. Killed Sexson and derailed Adrian Beltre for four years.

[Damian Rey]

Believe the fences arebeing brought in in Seattle.

[The Condor]

I knew they were discussing it in SD, didn't know about Seattle.

[YOUR Hero]

Why not Texas?

Does Texas have someone coming up from the minors?

[Emperor Smeat]

They didn't offer him an extension or initial qualifying offer but still are somewhat interested considering they booked a meeting with him next week.

Rangers probably go after Russell Martin if they lose Napoli although no clue what they have for quality catching prospects. I know the Red Sox took Saltalamacchia from them a couple of years ago in a trade.

[Damian Rey]

Fences are already being moved in here in SD. Im,excited.

I think Napoli is viewed as a 1b/C/DH hybrid more than full time catcher. I still dont get why Texas wouldnt give him the $13 mil qualifying offer. His batting average was down but he still had solid peripherals across the board.

[The Condor]

Do you think the pitching in SD will still be as potent with the fences or a wash because the power numbers will improve for Headly and the rest?

[TSI]

Im glad to see a good baseball forum. Im a huge fan but none of my friends are.

[Damian Rey]

I think PETCO will still be a pitchets park, just not as extreme as in years past. The reason it plays so big is due more to its location than size. Being right off the bay, the marine layer sets around game time and bogs down the air, which is why the ball dies during night games.

Thats not something one can control, but I expect the park to be a little more forgiving, especially to left handed hitters.

[Wehttam]

Im glad to see a good baseball forum. Im a huge fan but none of my friends are.

lol

[YOUR Hero]

read that KC is willing to give up their top prospect - considered the best in baseball - for a top pitcher

seems like KC might think now is their time to push for a playoff spot

[YOUR Hero]

not sure they have enough parts imo

[The Condor]

Still don't buy the Royals. Too young, inexperienced and just not good enough. Their chief strength is the incompetence of their division foes like Cleveland, Minnesota, and ChiSox. Hell, if Detroit shits the bed for 130 games again maybe KC can capitalize, but I wouldn't count on it.

[Damian Rey]

Whos the prospect? Myers?

[YOUR Hero]

Myers, yeah

Royals willing to part with top prospect to land frontline starting pitcher

<CITE class="byline vcard"><ABBR title=2012-11-24T01:54:56Z>Fri, 23 Nov, 2012 8:54 PM EST</ABBR></CITE>

The Kansas City Royals are pushing hard to contend in 2013, considering almost every option to upgrade their pitching staff. And that includes trading the best hitting prospect in baseball.

In their search for a top-of-the-rotation starter, the Royals have dangled outfielder Wil Myers, the consensus 2012 minor league player of the year, two sources told Yahoo! Sports.

While the Royals have designated Myers off-limits for anything other than pitching, teams with frontline starters understand Kansas City is desperate to add another pitcher after re-signing Jeremy Guthrie and trading for Ervin Santana. With the returns of Danny Duffy and Felipe Paulino from Tommy John surgery, plus the arrival of prospect Jake Odorizzi, an overhaul of the Royals' rotation could thrust them into contention in the AL Central – especially with a pitcher like Tampa Bay's James Shields, whom the Royals covet at the top of the rotation but are loath to trade for because only two years remain on his deal and he has thrown the second-most regular-season innings of any pitcher the last two seasons.

story continues: http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/royals-willing-to-part-with-top-prospect-to-land-frontline-starting-pitcher-015456742.html

[Emperor Smeat]

Probably better to just keep him another year to add more depth to their hitting and outfield considering both were either bad or young. Could get more a year later from a trade than just a pitcher now (assuming his value improves).

The division next year is still the Tigers to lose while the Wild Card might be a bit out of their reach even with a trade now unless they pull an "A's" type season next year.

[Gertner]

Myers, yeah

Royals willing to part with top prospect to land frontline starting pitcher

<CITE class="byline vcard"><ABBR title=2012-11-24T01:54:56Z>Fri, 23 Nov, 2012 8:54 PM EST</ABBR></CITE>

The Kansas City Royals are pushing hard to contend in 2013, considering almost every option to upgrade their pitching staff. And that includes trading the best hitting prospect in baseball.

In their search for a top-of-the-rotation starter, the Royals have dangled outfielder Wil Myers, the consensus 2012 minor league player of the year, two sources told Yahoo! Sports.

While the Royals have designated Myers off-limits for anything other than pitching, teams with frontline starters understand Kansas City is desperate to add another pitcher after re-signing Jeremy Guthrie and trading for Ervin Santana. With the returns of Danny Duffy and Felipe Paulino from Tommy John surgery, plus the arrival of prospect Jake Odorizzi, an overhaul of the Royals' rotation could thrust them into contention in the AL Central – especially with a pitcher like Tampa Bay's James Shields, whom the Royals covet at the top of the rotation but are loath to trade for because only two years remain on his deal and he has thrown the second-most regular-season innings of any pitcher the last two seasons.

story continues: http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/royals-willing-to-part-with-top-prospect-to-land-frontline-starting-pitcher-015456742.html

I knew letting Jo Jo Reyes go was gonna cost us :(

[ClockShot]

Rays extend Evan Longoria. 6-years, $100 mil. with a club option at the end.

He's now in Tampa Bay until 2022 earning a grand total of $136 mil.

[YOUR Hero]

if he ever figuerd out how to stay healthy again, watch out

[The Condor]

Thats good money, and it's cool to see him not be a greedy bastard like A-Rod. That definitely a good signing for the team.

[Triple Naitch]

Wonder if Longoria leaves Tampa first or the Rays do?

[Emperor Smeat]

Red Sox and Marlins were rumored to be involved in a potential deal over Giancarlo Stanton but got squashed once it was found out both Selig and the Players Union are monitoring the Marlins for the rest of the offseason.

The Marlins are right around the limit of what they can get away with money pinching before getting hit with a grievance complaint by the union while any future trades means the team needs to take in more money in order for Selig to approve.

[Adder]

There's a pretty good article about how if the Marlins are serious about re-building, they should be trading Stanton for a bushel of prospects.

Do you have a link to that rumour, I'd love to read it.

[Emperor Smeat]

Link I got was from ESPN but it didn't mention anything about the Marlins rebuilding.

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2012/11/boston_red_sox_trade_rumors_20_1.html

I doubt the Red Sox would offer more than maybe 1-2 top prospects for him considering they want to rebuild their minor league system. Only reason the other teams (Yanks, Os, Phillies, Cubs) would be willing is to overload the offer just to make Selig happy than it being due to Stanton's actual value.

[Dragon]

Link I got was from ESPN but it didn't mention anything about the Marlins rebuilding.

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2012/11/boston_red_sox_trade_rumors_20_1.html

I doubt the Red Sox would offer more than maybe 1-2 top prospects for him considering they want to rebuild their minor league system. Only reason the other teams (Yanks, Os, Phillies, Cubs) would be willing is to overload the offer just to make Selig happy than it being due to Stanton's actual value.

I don't think teams offering a ton of prospects has anything to do with making Selig happy and all to do with Stanton's actual value. I just think Stanton's value is actually that high. Especially considering he is probably only a couple years older than a lot of top prospects anyway.

[ClockShot]

Jeff Keppinger broke fell down a flight of stairs at his home and broke his fibula.

Yankees were interested in him, as were a few other teams. NOT ANYMORE!

[Damian Rey]

If I'm the Rays, and KC was offering Myers for Shields straight up, I'd jump all over it. They'd get a young 20s corner outfielder who could 30+ HR/year for the next seven years for a guy who will surely walk when his contract is up.

On the other end of that, are the Royals really close enough to trade arguably the best hitting prospect inbaseball? I'm not so sure. Shields would definitely give them a huge boost, but I don't think he makes them more than an 80 win team.

[The Condor]

No, the Royals aren't good enough for that trade to do much.

[Damian Rey]

That's what I was thinking. The Rays should press hard. They need a bat to back up Longo, and their pitching depth is more than capable of replacing Shields over time.

[YOUR Hero]

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/11/26/3695766/jon-lester-rumors-red-sox-royals

That link above is to a rumour of Lester to KC for Myers

[ClockShot]

Mets offered David Wright a 6-year, $100 mil. contract extension yesterday. Wright wants 7 years and he's expected to decline this.

We go live to Vito Cruz for his thoughts on this.

[Frank Drebin]

Wonder if the royals would be a landing spot for Matt garza. Dosent match up on paper since he's a free agent after the season and his injury thing. Just throwing it out there.

[The Condor]

The entire Royals pitching staff last year was a mixed bag. Bruce Chen is schizophrenic, Luke Hochevar is a #1 pick bust, I just don't know if this is the year they go for a big pitching contract with somebody. For some reason I keep thinking about the money they threw at Gil Meche. I like him, he was good, but not #1 starter for $55 million good. Those are the types of things that kill the Royals.

[Evil Vito]

Mets offered David Wright a 6-year, $100 mil. contract extension yesterday. Wright wants 7 years and he's expected to decline this.

We go live to Vito Cruz for his thoughts on this.

Every report I've read since the season ended has said that Wright wants 7 years and close to $20 million per year. I knew the Mets would be stingy and haggle over the 7th year.

At this point, just give him the damn 7th year. He'll retire as the most prolific hitter in team history.

Knowing the Mets though, they'll start the season with no extension done and Wright will walk away with the Mets getting nothing.

[Evil Vito]

I legitimately may quit the Mets if they botch these negotiations with Wright.

[The Condor]

At the end of that contract Wright will be 37, which is younger than A-Rod, Pujols, Braun, Hamilton (if he gets a long term deal), and Torii Hunter at the end of their current deals, and he will be the same age as Longoria at the end of his. It's not a bad deal for the Mets especially if they can put most of the money in the front of the contract.

[ClockShot]

Update:

Mets reportedly boost their offer to David Wright. 7-years, over $100 mil.

[Damian Rey]

In context, Wright has never been as good as Pujols, Rodriguez, and arguably Hamilton. Longo and Zimmerman got the same contact the Mets are offering. I don't think Wright would get much better in free agency. Beltre makes about the same. Is Wright really that much better, if at all, than those guys?

[Hanso Amore]

In context, Wright has never been as good as Pujols, Rodriguez, and arguably Hamilton. Longo and Zimmerman got the same contact the Mets are offering. I don't think Wright would get much better in free agency. Beltre makes about the same. Is Wright really that much better, if at all, than those guys?

This.

[Damian Rey]

According to trade rumors, the Mets are offering a 7 year deal in thee range of $125-$150 mil. Ind be absolutely shocked if he turned that down. Market value dollars for a contract that takes him into his late 30s.

[Evil Vito]

David's been clear that he wants this next contract to be the last of his career...so 7 years should get it done. I know a lot of Mets fans will bitch about how it will cripple the team in the back end of the deal, but I don't care. This guy has been in the league for 9 seasons and is clearly the best everyday player they've had in their history.

Hopefully in 6-7 years once his production rails off, the Wilponzis will be out of shit's creek. A big market team can afford one bad contract.

[Damian Rey]

$16 mil per isn't really that bad. When I think crippling, I think $20-$25 mil.

[The Condor]

That's the point, not so much talent and $$, but age is a big factor to consider with these contracts. Wright will probably begin to fall off in 4-5 years and the contract will almost be up by then. By that standard it's not a terrible deal as opposed to having other guys at 39 or into their 40's. the deal makes sense for everyone.

[McLegend]

Carlos Ruiz suspended for 25 games due to amphetamines.


CHHHHOOOOOOOOOCCCCHHHHHH

[Damian Rey]

Wright will realistically start falling off about two to three years into the new contract. Doesn't mean he'll stink, but, like most players, his prime is probably in it's tail end and the numbers will likely start to decline.

With that said, it's a good deal for both sides, I agree. Wright should jump on this.

[Emperor Smeat]

Is the 7th year an option year or is the whole deal guaranteed money and years?

[ClockShot]

Wasn't an option to being with. Now it's an extra year.

But according to David Wright himself today, the reports are false.

In other news, Yankees should have Pettitte and Rivera back by the end of the week. All that's left is the big hole in RF.

[The Condor]

Pettitte and Mo are still good, Pettitte especially last year surprised the hell out of me. He's accurate and you can't teach that.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>From the sounds of things, Wright is genuinely pissed off that terms of his contract offer were leaked, and he specifically requested that the Mets keep negotiations private. Speculation now is that he may not sign any extension and will simply head to free agency after 2013.

Fuck this team. Even teams like the Rays managed to sign their franchise player to a long extension without fucking things up so royally.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>BRB gonna go spit on Jeff Wilpon and spell YANKEES in the air with my finger.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Nah who am I kidding...I could never root for those bastards either. :( Looks like it's watching random games on MLB.TV for me.</font>

[Damian Rey]

Wright's being a baby. The reason Longo's extension wasn't leaked was because he plays in a shit market, he was already under contract, and he probably didn't have specific parameters that needed to be met before signing.

In a world where social media has literally taken over, out should be no surprise shit gets leaked. He should get over it and sign his deal and all will be well.

[Evil Vito]

Reportedly the only people involved in negotiations have been Wright, his agent, Sandy Alderson, and Jeff Wilpon. I don't care what market it is...it shouldn't be that hard for Alderson and Wilpon to keep their mouths shut when it's clear that there are moles across major league offices who will gladly spread the news to reporters. If Wright's main request was confidentiality, he has every right to be pissed off.

[Hanso Amore]

Or maybe that slightly better than average 3B can stop buying into his own hype, shut the fuck up and stop whining about his "CONTRACT DETAILS BEING LEAKED" (OH THE HORRORS) and get a deal done. What a fucking prima donna.

[Damian Rey]

Meh. I'm sure there are more people involved, like assistants and advisors. Regardless, it's nothing to get upset about. He's not being painted in bad light or anything. This won't be remembered when it's all said and done. I'd be surprised if they don't sign him.

[Hanso Amore]

Playing in NY has gone to Wrights head.

[weather vane]

Why would he care? Fucking make 100 jillion dollars and he's complaining about that? Fuck how hard life must be.

If you care about your team, teammates, and the fans then you should sign the fucking contract. Get it done no matter what and be ecstatic when it happens. Its not like they are low balling him or something.

[Damian Rey]

David Wright is far better than "slightly" above average. Just ask the Angels, Cubs,.White Sox, Dbacks, A's, Pirates, Phillies, Indians, etc.

[YOUR Hero]

Wright is better than average and still only 29

[Hanso Amore]

I dont buy into him as a top money player. He gets hurt alot. He had a good year, not great for 20+ million a year. He could go back to hitting 275 again next year.

Hes coming off a year with a 300 average, 20 home runs and 80 RBI. He is 29.

I can find a dozen players who arent strong arming their team to overpay them who had that same production.

[Evil Vito]

Wright is excellent. However, he's always come across as a bit of a private, low key guy. He realizes that full details of his contract will come out...he just doesn't want to have everything leaked out while negotiations are still ongoing. He's come out and said that the reports so far have been inaccurate. So for all we know he hasn't actually been offered as much as has been reported.

Look at Reyes last year. Mets fans went ballistic because he didn't accept the offer the Mets reportedly made to him. Traitor, greedy, etc. problem was...the Mets never even made an offer. But since "sources" got it wrong, as they often do, a whole lot of false claims showed up in print. The NY media is bullshit, and always has been.

Still I expect Wright will end up signing. He's said since the start of his career that he wants to be a Met for life. It's the team he grew up rooting for. It's just up to the front office to not cock it up.

[Hanso Amore]

David Freese had just a slightly worse year than Wright did, for 1/8th the money.

[Hanso Amore]

Wright is not EXCELLENT.

[Hanso Amore]

Allen Craig had a better year that Wright, who had two weak years before this.

Should he get 20+ million.

If David Wright played in Kansas City no one would care who he is, want to pay him top money, or thing he is EXCELLENT.

[Hanso Amore]

Hes the best player on a shitty team in a large market. That doesnt = Excellent.

[Evil Vito]

Also saying Wright gets hurt a lot is ridiculous. His only significant injury was in 2011. The only other time he missed any significant time was when he got beaned in the head by Matt Cain in 2009. Hardly his fault.

[Hanso Amore]

I can probably find 10 3B I would take over Wright. And 50 players.

EXCELLENT

[Hanso Amore]

Also saying Wright gets hurt a lot is ridiculous. His only significant injury was in 2011. The only other time he missed any significant time was when he got beaned in the head by Matt Cain in 2009. Hardly his fault.

Correct me if my memory is wrong, but its not the time missed. 2009 his numbers dropped big time due to nagging injuries as well as getting beaned. Same with 2011.

[Evil Vito]

2011 was the nagging injuries year. Just a crap year, no doubt. 2009 his power stroke disappeared and it was a pretty clear aberration - largely attributed to it being the first year at Citi Field. Nobody on the team hit for power that season. But his other peripherals were still there.

In general Wright shows why RBIs are a terrible statistic to use to measure the value of a player. He's had to play in some horrific lineups. When guys like Reyes and Pagan were hurt, Wright rarely had anybody to drive in. This year he had frickin Andres Torres hitting ahead of him...of course the RBIs are gonna go down.

Wright not only can hit and provide 25-30 dingers, but he plays a Gold Glove caliber 3B and also will get you around 15-20 SBs. Along with that he's praised as a clubhouse leader and really is the heart and soul of the franchise. That was why I would not at all be opposed to givin him the contract he is seeking. You take away David Wright, you take away the biggest reason Mets fans have to come to the ballpark.

[Hanso Amore]

Heart and Soul of a losing team.

its the Shareef Abdur Rahim effect. Best player for a starved Franchise.

Im not saying he is bad, but he is very over rated as a superstar because of the team he plays for.

Seriously. 300 even, 25 HRs, good defense.

Meet Scott Rolen

[Triple Naitch]

I can probably find 10 3B I would take over Wright. And 50 players.

EXCELLENT

I want to see your 10.

[Skippord]

I can think of two third basemen I'd take over David Wright and one of them would not be allowed near third base on my fictional team

[Triple Naitch]

I'd put Wright as the fourth best third baseman. I'd take Cabrera, Longoria and Beltre over him, then put Wright behind them along with Headley, Zimmerman, Sandoval, and Freese.

[The Condor]

He's not top 5, but Aramis Ramirez is a very solid 3B, real good numbers, especially as Braun's "protection" this year. As for Wright's numbers, I think the psychological effect of Citi field screwed with him for a year or two as well. Thats certainly no excuse, but maybe an explanation that Steve Phillips would throw out between rounds with a hooker.

[Hanso Amore]

I would add Will Middlebrooks, Edwin Encarnacion (though I think he is playing more 1B at this point), Hanley Ramirez and Martin Prado as guys right up there. Different flavors of players but just as productive as Wright in ways.

[Hanso Amore]

I would say Aramis on on par with David Wright as well.

[Hanso Amore]

I wont keep railing on this, so long as the Mets dont continue to make this a non story.

But of all the names listed on this page, swap them with Wright and the Mets probably finish with the same record. Put wright on those other teams, maybe he pulls an extra couple wins, maybe not.

Hes not a superstar on par with what he is about to be paid. Hes not going to be overpaid on a Jayson Werth like level, but hes going to be making superstar money to perform like a B player.

[Hanso Amore]

I want to see your 10.

Thats a bit misleading. Some of those 10 are young players not yet at Wrights level, but If I were a GM I would take them first.

Ill put this at 6. At least 6 guys I would rather have than Wright at this point in his career.

Cabrera
Longoria
Beltre
Headley
Sandoval
Freese

[Skippord]

I forgot Longo

[Skippord]

btw I read this morning that the Rockies were going to take Evan Longoria but ownership overruled the personal people and I wanted to kill myself

[Triple Naitch]

You mean Greg Reynolds wasn't worth the #2 pick?

[Evil Vito]

I'd put Wright as the fourth best third baseman. I'd take Cabrera, Longoria and Beltre over him, then put Wright behind them along with Headley, Zimmerman, Sandoval, and Freese.

My thoughts exactly. Wright is easily a top 5 3B. Well worth the investment, so hopefully the deal gets done so the Mets can go ahead and work on the Dickey situation next.

Also...passing up Longo for Greg Reynolds would make me kill myself, too.

[Triple Naitch]

Longoria, Kershaw, Morrow, Lincecum, Ian Kennedy, and Chris Perez all taken after Greg Reynolds. :'(

[Skippord]

IT WAS ALL OF THE ARM INJURIES :'(

[Hanso Amore]

To be fair, 75 percent of the firsts that year completely busted.

[The Condor]

Just heard that the LAAA may not be interested in signing Greinke, and that the Dodgers and Rangers would be the top two takers if that happens. I understand that Greinke is a basketcase mentally, but he does have talent. I think the Angels ought to re-up him if it's at all possible

[Emperor Smeat]

* Reds sign Jonathan Broxton to a 3 year $21 million deal with the idea of making him the potential closer and moving Aroldis Chapman to a starting role.

* R.A. Dickey has already told the Mets he wants a new deal done this winter or else he won't bother with any offers from the Mets during the season.

* According to ESPN, this year's Hall of Fame voting is going to be the real test of how strict the voters will be towards the Roids Era now that bigger names are arriving in groups. Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa are all first year candidates.

ESPN thinks Craig Biggio, Mike Piazza and Curt Schilling have the best shots as first year candidates while Jack Morris, Jeff Bagwell and Tim Raines have the best chance from previous years candidates.

[Damian Rey]

David Wright's career numbers sit at .301/.381/.506. Thats elite production at a premier position thin on talent. Add the fact that he's a superior defensive player and has above average speed and you have a legitimate 5 tool player. Zimmerman, Longo, Beltre, and other like players cannot claim that. He's worth $16 mil in my book.

[The Condor]

Personally, Morris, Biggio and Piazza (maybe Bagwell) are all I would vote for. Schilling was good, but not HOF good, and anyone who thinks he is is probably a Red Sux whore. Piazza= 3rd greatest offensive catcher ever behind Bench and Berra, Biggio won Silver Sluggers at catcher and 2nd base, as well as transitioning to be a capable CF with 3,000 hits and a prolific leadoff hitter, and Morris was the best pitcher of the 80's. The others are tainted, I feel.

[Damian Rey]

I wouldn't vote Morris in. He's a guy I view as a good player, but not HOF worthy.Same for Schilling. Piazza, Biggio, Bagwell, and Raines are in for me.

[Hanso Amore]

LOL. Come the fuck on. You say Morris is not HOF worthy but RAINES is? Come on now. Same boat.

[Triple Naitch]

If Morris makes it then Schilling will eventually.

[Hanso Amore]

David Wright's career numbers sit at .301/.381/.506. Thats elite production at a premier position thin on talent. Add the fact that he's a superior defensive player and has above average speed and you have a legitimate 5 tool player. Zimmerman, Longo, Beltre, and other like players cannot claim that. He's worth $16 mil in my book.

You and I have very different definitions of ELITE. I ate a 5 dollar turkey sandwich for lunch. I thought it was OK but you probably would think it was elite.

[Adder]

I would add Will Middlebrooks, Edwin Encarnacion (though I think he is playing more 1B at this point), Hanley Ramirez and Martin Prado as guys right up there. Different flavors of players but just as productive as Wright in ways.

I would say Aramis on on par with David Wright as well.
come on

[screech]

Love me some Curt Schilling. One of the main reasons I went to so many Phillies games when they were super awful.

[Hanso Amore]

come on

Not a single guy I mentioned dont have near comparable numbers to Wright offensively, and Wright's defense isnt as good as it was 3 years ago.

Completely fair.